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 by Elvis
9 years 7 months ago
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‏(Work by RamBill)

@Andy_Benoit

Listed in reverse order, Read from the Bottom Up

Film: #Bears consistently attacked short of the stick on 3rd-10, by play design and by Cutler choice.

#Rams Film: Fairley had by far his best game of the season. Flashed throughout, looked markedly quicker.

#Bears Film: Langford has some natural swivel and plays low to ground with light feet. Gives him elusiveness.

Film: #Bears run game became more productive as game progressed. Had some success attacking perimeter, which loosened things up.

#Bears #Rams Film: Langford 23 yds was sweep to overloaded TE surface. Formation drew single-high defense......McDonald and Joyner (not ready at snap) attacked same gap, giving up the edge.

Film: #Bears an utterly controlled, conservative approach. Nothing vertical to their offense at all in this one. Jeffery less than 100%.

#Rams #Bears Film: Brockers did a good job working off blocks with strength. Ducasse not most challenging opponent.

Film: #Bears play calling often nullified #Rams advantage DL had over OL. Bears have done a good job protecting OL like that all year.

#Rams Film: Donald best initial movement of any NFL DT.

Film: #Bears featured inside zone run game. Ho-hum results, #Rams defended it well. Gase like inside zone.

#Bears Film: Langford 83-yd backfield screen TD perfect play to run vs. #Rams man-free blitz. Both 80+ yd TDs came vs. man-free blitz.

Film: #Rams a lot of split safety coverages. Not worried about #Bears run game. Were they a little spooked after Miller 87-yd TD?

Film:#Bears approach was steady and methodical. WR screens, flats passes, shotgun runs from passing sets.

Film: #Bears continued to feature passes that got ball out of Cutler’s hands quickly. Gase factor. Big reason why Cutler has become sharper.

#Rams #Bears Film: Fairley outstanding 3-play sequence on 2nd drive. Got off Slauson blocks to penetrate twice, great initial lateral move.

#Bears Film: Miller 87 yd TD was basic flat route from condensed 2x2. #Rams man-free. Ayers beat inside in RAC and FS McLeod poor angle.

#Rams Film: LT Robinson tendency to reach rather than move his feet. Does he have quick enough feet to dance?

#Rams Film: not sure Keenum will make a big difference – Foles isn’t leaving throws on the field so much...he just is not executing on the challenged throws. Unlikely Keenum will be much better.

#Rams Film: #Bears regular snaps of “2 man” on 3rd down. Brian Quick 37 yds was vs. this, just beat Callahan (Foles good throw) and had RAC.

#Bears Film: McClellin did sturdy job in run D on plays between the tackles.

#Rams #Bears Film: LT Robinson flagged three times for holding. Couldn’t deal with Willie Young’s redirect quickness.

#Rams Film: Foles doesn’t throw balls on a rope. Tendency to let too much air get under intermediate throws.

#Bears Film: CB’s Porter, Fuller and Callahan all flashed in first half. At times they ran the route for the #Rams WR.

#Rams Film: RG Brown struggled with hand jabs in pass pro. Defenders got off his initial contact a few times.

Film: #Bears a lot of snaps of Cover 6. Good tactic vs. a #Rams offense that features closed and tight formations on weak side.

#Rams Film: Foles arm limitations become very apparent when he throws under duress. He needs perfect conditions to maximize a play.

#Rams Film: Greg Robinson hold on Young to nullify Austin 17-yd TD was at POA but still not necessary, Austin likely had corner anyway.

Film: #Rams run game featured inside zone. Meant double-teams at point of attack.

#Rams Film: Foles two really bad missed throws on opening drive, overthrew both times showing no ability to make throws off balance.

#Rams #Bears Film: Gurley 31-yd catch coverage mistake by McClellin, who ran with TE that Amos had.

Film: Cook 29 yd snapshot of how #Rams must play: fake to Gurley, bootleg w/ dumpoff to shallow drag TE. Misdirection stemming from run game

 by Stranger
9 years 7 months ago
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hmmm
#Rams Film: not sure Keenum will make a big difference – Foles isn’t leaving throws on the field so much...he just is not executing on the challenged throws. Unlikely Keenum will be much better.

 by Hacksaw
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"Notice a trend with Foles and his first read. He looks at his first read for too long and it doesn’t give him a chance to go to his other reads".

http://nflbreakdowns.com/nick-foles-vs-chicago-bears/

Every pass play by Foles vs Bears. TV view and 22. Good stuff and not flattering for Foles.
After watching this, I have to say that our WR's and Cigs may have reason for hope yet.

 by Stranger
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"Overall Impressions

Nick Foles is obviously uncomfortable in this system still and it shows. Compare Foles to Eli Manning, Tom Brady, or even Cam Newton and there is a significant difference in what they do before the snap. Foles looks like he is barely doing anything pre snap and it looks like Tim Barnes is calling all of the blitz pick up and protection sets. Manning, Brady, and Newton are all over the place before the snap as they are calling out blitz pickup, checking into the right play, audibling out bad plays, using hand signals to tell WRs what they should do, and various other things. Foles not being active before the snap isn’t necessarily a bad thing as Jay Cutler is having a good season and he looks like he (pardon my french) doesn’t give a fuck before the play. But combined with everything else Foles does and it shows he doesn’t have a grasp of the system. This isn’t all that surprising either as Foles ins’t use to a Jeff Fisher offense. Foles came out of Arizona and played for the Eagles before coming to the Rams. Both of those teams run a very open system and have a lot of spread passing attack elements in the offense. Fisher wishes he could run the ball every play and runs a more traditional NFL offense. This transition wasn’t going to be easy but Foles should be improving by now. Instead he looks like he is regressing and showed many tendencies of poor QB play.

The most obvious issues he has is he doesn’t come off his first read way too often. He will stare down his first read for a long time and either try to force a pass to the first read if it isn’t open, dump it off to the RB, or take a long time to get into his progression. Eli Manning in comparison is whipping his head around as he goes through his progression and his eyes rarely lock in a one receiver for too long. Foles needs to work his way through his progression and be quick about it if he is going to be a NFL QB. His second issues is that his eyes tell all. He only looked off the defense on screen passes and he stares down his intended receiver. The good QBs will use their eyes to open up receivers. Foles doesn’t even try to do this and defenses can key off on where he is going to throw. The third issues is Foles is very hesitant on his throws. Too often Foles is late on his throws as he is trying to make sure what he is seeing is correct. This gives time for the defense to recover and make a play on the ball and what should be completions turn into passes defended and incompletions. The forth issue he has is he is jittery in the pocket. He will start drifting backwards if he doesn’t see anything open quickly and won’t start drifting backwards till he throws the ball. I don’t think he stepped up into the pocket once throughout the game and this is something he must start doing. His drifting backwards ties into the fifth issue which is poor mechanics. Foles too often is off balance and is leaning backwards when he is throwing the ball. This causes two issues. The first is the ball tends to float on Foles. This leads to overthrows on short and intermediate routes. The second thing it causes is the lack of arm strength. To get the most out of a throw, the QB needs to have his weight going forward and step into a throw. If a QB is leaning backwards, he loses the ability to use his core and legs to push the ball deeper. His poor mechanics contribute to the last glaring issue Foles has. Foles cannot push the ball deep and take the top off a defense. If the defense has no respect for the deep ball, they will tighten their coverage and suffocate a passing attack. Foles does not strike any fear into defenses that he will beat them deep so the defense creeps up. This takes away the shorter routes that Foles is more comfortable with and limits what the offense can do. Its not like Foles lacks weapons to go deep with either. Tavon Austin has all the speed in the world and Kenny Britt can go up for a jump ball with his size. But his inability to throw deep severely limits what the offense can do. Foles has a lot of work to do if he is ever going to recover his 2013 form and maybe a week or two not starting will allow him to work on his mechanics and other issues. But Foles has multiple fatal flaws and unless he gets rid of at least a few of them, he will never make it as an NFL QB."

 by Elvis
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Dick84 wrote:Ugly analysis, but sounds right.

Funny... I mentioned somewhere else how much of a HUGE difference Rivers would make with the Rams and someone was disputing that. Ridiculous.
That pre-snap stuff is exactly what Rivers does and it makes a big difference.. especially for a patchwork line. He's a coach *on* the field.

Oh.. and he can sling it pretty good, too.

Side note.. the mechanics thing is sooooo spot on.

Anyone see the stuff about Brady and his throwing coach? He makes sure he gets the absolute most out of his arm, all the time. Foles needs someone like that, as he doesn't have a cannon.


Isn't that what Weinke is supposed to be doing?

The exception to my "it doesn't matter who the Rams QB is" theory is Brett Favre on the Jets. I'm sure (and have read) that Schottenheimer pretty much asked Brett what he'd like to do.

Any QB that comes in and is subject to the Cignetti/Fisher system seems bound to fail to me. Does Rivers have the juice to transcend that and alter the offense we run? Maybe...

 by Stranger
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 Joined:  Aug 12 2015
United States of America   Norcal
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Elvis wrote:
Dick84 wrote:Ugly analysis, but sounds right.

Funny... I mentioned somewhere else how much of a HUGE difference Rivers would make with the Rams and someone was disputing that. Ridiculous.
That pre-snap stuff is exactly what Rivers does and it makes a big difference.. especially for a patchwork line. He's a coach *on* the field.

Oh.. and he can sling it pretty good, too.

Side note.. the mechanics thing is sooooo spot on.

Anyone see the stuff about Brady and his throwing coach? He makes sure he gets the absolute most out of his arm, all the time. Foles needs someone like that, as he doesn't have a cannon.


Isn't that what Weinke is supposed to be doing?

The exception to my "it doesn't matter who the Rams QB is" theory is Brett Favre on the Jets. I'm sure (and have read) that Schottenheimer pretty much asked Brett what he'd like to do.

Any QB that comes in and is subject to the Cignetti/Fisher system seems bound to fail to me. Does Rivers have the juice to transcend that and alter the offense we run? Maybe...

precisely! (bolded)

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