[ramsfan1977]

http://www.stltoday.com/news/local/govt ... b708b.html

ST. LOUIS • St. Louis has submitted to the National Football League its formal proposal to build a $1.1 billion open-air stadium on the Mississippi riverfront.

Gov. Jay Nixon's task force overnight-mailed the thick package late Monday.

The proposal spanned nearly 400 pages, planners said, and included a financial term sheet, the recently adopted St. Louis city ordinance and financing plan, detailed descriptions of the state tax credits to be used, plus architectural designs, support letters, market information and a land acquisition update.

Task force co-chairmen Dave Peacock and Bob Blitz addressed the package to the six team owners who sit on the NFL's Committee on Los Angeles Opportunities, with copies to Commissioner Roger Goodell, St. Louis Rams owner Stan Kroenke, Rams team executives, and the rest of the NFL owners.

Kroenke wants to move the Rams to Los Angeles, and has proposed a nearly $2 billion stadium in Inglewood, Calif.

San Diego Chargers owner Dean Spanos and Oakland Raiders owner Mark Davis have presented a competing plan for a two-team stadium in Carson, just down the freeway from Kroenke's site.

NFL owners are meeting Jan. 12 and 13 to continue discussing the relocation of at least one of the teams. Several owners have said they hope, after a year of deliberation, to vote on the issue.

The NFL has given local governments in the three cities until Wednesday to submit their own proposals for new stadium construction, in hopes of keeping their teams.

"This is a very challenging task in front of them," Peacock said of the owners. "I don't know what they'll do. We put our best, most comprehensive plan together."

St. Louis has the most definitive plan of the three cities. San Diego's leans on a public vote next summmer. Oakland officials have presented market strengths to the NFL, but have not produced a formal stadium proposal.

Still, St. Louis's plan isn't universally accepted among NFL owners and executives.

Vice President Eric Grubman has publicly questioned the amount of tax money involved — local planners count it at more than $400 million, while Grubman figured it closer to $300 million.

Moreover, the St. Louis proposal recently added an extra $100 million from the NFL itself — an unprecedented request, on top of the previously discussed $200 million NFL loan and $250 million owner investment.

Furthermore, it's unclear if a viable stadium construction plan here would be enough to keep the Rams. Some owners have suggested it would.

But others have said that the No. 1 priority is a successful Los Angeles proposal.

All sides acknowledge the difficulty of the task.

"If you want to pick between two projects in LA, that's challenging," Peacock said. "Then if you throw in one home-market variable, it makes it more challenging.

"I'm glad I'm not an owner," Peacock said Tuesday, chuckling.

[den-the-coach]

God if they stay in St. Louis, I'm going to just go on a long cruise to forget about live for a while!

After rain deluge, rare winter floods on Mississippi River




ST. LOUIS (AP) — Warm and wet weather over the last several weeks followed by storms that brought a deluge of rain in recent days have produced a severe threat of flooding along the Mississippi River, where water could reach record high levels soon in some places. The winter flooding is unusual and could portend even worse problems in the spring depending on weather the rest of the season. Here’s a look at what is prompting the concern:

http://www.seattletimes.com/nation-worl ... ppi-river/

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[bubbaramfan]

I'd just love to see the proposed Carson Stadium plan. The dump is finally going to be exposed.

[Elvis]

I'm still amazed there isn't more talk about the 160 mil in PSL money that's being counted as public.

160 PSL + 100 fake NFL money + 150 in State bonds that legislators claim the won't fund, that's $410 million in uncertain or non-existent funding right there...

[RedAlice]

I have now spent one full day in LA-ish. btw, in case you have not noticed: I'm a chatterer. I chat, I talk, I make friends.......

I do this every time I go to StL as well, an NO ONE in StL likes the Rams. I decided today I am going to ask any and all re: relocation. Rams. Raiders. Chargers.


Results of my project, which I will expand on in a dif thread:

Zero and I mean ZERO interest in that SAN DIEGO team. Pretty much a fuck them across the board.

Some emotional and massive Rams love.

Some extreme Raiders love. One dude broke out and yelled in a pubic place when I asked the question. LA got some Raiders fans.

Several said: I want a new team that we own as LA.

[Hacksaw]

Our resident roving reporter AZBlue is bringing it.

I, like you, am gregarious and am constantly wearing something Los Angeles Rams. I get asked by strangers all the time these days if I think they are coming back? When I toss out a few of the facts, they all get excited at the possibility of the Rams coming home. When we discuss the Chargers everyone gets a frown on their face. Raiders do have a following but nothing like Los Ramos.

It's becoming quite obvious the Rams will have a far better time hitting the ground running in LA than anything Charaiders could hope for. Not to mention the common sense of it all.

[SoCalRam78]

I'm still amazed there isn't more talk about the 160 mil in PSL money that's being counted as public.

160 PSL + 100 fake NFL money + 150 in State bonds that legislators claim the won't fund, that's $410 million in uncertain or non-existent funding right there...

Doesn't matter how the task force sees it, it matters how the NFL sees it. TST twitter was trying to get all high and mighty about 400 million being fantastic and they kept directing me to the PDF, as if the task force PDF means squat.

PSLs has never been a public source because the team is on the hook for any shortcomings. The 100 million in fake NFL money, yeah after the Goodell letter, I assume won't go over well. I'm sure other cities that recently built venues wish they had another 100 million, I assume SD and Oakland want that too. The fact it assumes this money in the financing budget is laughable, but it was their ONLY way of giving the Rams all the stadium revenue that other sports teams typically get. As for the states' resistance, of course it gets no mention by the cheerleaders, and although it doesn't matter in reality because this stadium will never be built, it should bring some doubt in the NFL's eyes.

But don't worry, if the Rams move, all the crying over the NFL turning down 400 million in public money will be heard from St. Louis to here.

[max]

If the Rams move, I won't listen to another STL sound bite.