by AvengerRam 3 years 8 months ago Total posts: 8919 Joined: Oct 03 2017 Lake Mary, Florida Hall of Fame Jon Gruden POST #91 BobCarl wrote:Good point to ponder. I forgot that McVay was the OC in Washington. My gut tells me that McVay's hands are clean.OH MY GOD!!!!! HE'S WEARING A RACIST LOGO IN THAT PHOTO!!! FIRE HIM IMMEDIATELY!!! by St. Loser Fan 3 years 8 months ago Total posts: 10889 Joined: May 31 2016 Saint Louis MO Hall of Fame Jon Gruden POST #92 AvengerRam wrote:OH MY GOD!!!!! HE'S WEARING A RACIST LOGO IN THAT PHOTO!!! FIRE HIM IMMEDIATELY!!! by Elvis 3 years 8 months ago Total posts: 41504 Joined: Mar 28 2015 Los Angeles Administrator Re: Jon Gruden POST #93 RFU Season Ticket Holder by PARAM 3 years 8 months ago Total posts: 13215 Joined: Jul 15 2015 Just far enough North of Philadelphia Hall of Fame Jon Gruden POST #94 BobCarl liked this post snackdaddy wrote:Working 20 years for the state we all knew one thing, if it isn't something you would say in front of a group of people do not put it in writing. It could come back to bite you one day.I remember my daughter coming home from school, in trouble because she passed a note in class. Not only with the teacher but with one of the girls who was the subject of the note. My wife sat them all down (our 3 kids, all girls) and told them don't write something down you don't want the whole class (or school) to know. Simple stuff. Learned by a 4th, 5th and 6th grader, I might add. With all the e-mail crap that has gone on over the last couple of decades, you'd think a grown assed man, who obviously has some intelligence, would not be so stupid. There may be reasons for thinking the way he does....one being a bigoted upbringing....but there's no reason to be that stupid. I don't like blacks? Lemme write that down!!!I believe women should work in the kitchen during the day and the bedroom at night. Lemme write that down!!! I don't like gays? Lemme write that down!!!Better yet, let me put all that on the internet!!! That sounds like a swell idea!!! Been following the horns since the Coliseum had a Roman playing there. McVay: 77-49, 2 Superbowls, 1 Lombardi............Doubt at your own peril 1 by AvengerRam 3 years 8 months ago Total posts: 8919 Joined: Oct 03 2017 Lake Mary, Florida Hall of Fame Jon Gruden POST #95 PARAM liked this post PARAM wrote:I remember my daughter coming home from school, in trouble because she passed a note in class. Not only with the teacher but with one of the girls who was the subject of the note. My wife sat them all down (our 3 kids, all girls) and told them don't write something down you don't want the whole class (or school) to know. Simple stuff. Learned by a 4th, 5th and 6th grader, I might add. With all the e-mail crap that has gone on over the last couple of decades, you'd think a grown assed man, who obviously has some intelligence, would not be so stupid. There may be reasons for thinking the way he does....one being a bigoted upbringing....but there's no reason to be that stupid. I don't like blacks? Lemme write that down!!!I believe women should work in the kitchen during the day and the bedroom at night. Lemme write that down!!! I don't like gays? Lemme write that down!!!Better yet, let me put all that on the internet!!! That sounds like a swell idea!!!"Mama used to say, stupid is as stupid texts (or emails)." 1 by snackdaddy 3 years 8 months ago Total posts: 10046 Joined: May 30 2015 Merced California Hall of Fame Re: Jon Gruden POST #96 Gruden's career with anything NFL related is over. No one's gonna touch him with a hundred foot pole. I know he's not the only one who has that mindset. But apparently he's the only one who's stupid enough to put it in writing. I gotta think it was arrogance on his part. Maybe he thought he was untouchable and didn't expect repercussions? If so, that would be extremely arrogant. by St. Loser Fan 3 years 8 months ago Total posts: 10889 Joined: May 31 2016 Saint Louis MO Hall of Fame Re: Jon Gruden POST #97 by AvengerRam 3 years 8 months ago Total posts: 8919 Joined: Oct 03 2017 Lake Mary, Florida Hall of Fame Jon Gruden POST #98 Flash liked this post snackdaddy wrote:Gruden's career with anything NFL related is over. No one's gonna touch him with a hundred foot pole. I know he's not the only one who has that mindset. But apparently he's the only one who's stupid enough to put it in writing. I gotta think it was arrogance on his part. Maybe he thought he was untouchable and didn't expect repercussions? If so, that would be extremely arrogant.The term has now been changed to persona non Gruden. 1 by UtahRam 3 years 8 months ago Total posts: 398 Joined: Oct 18 2019 Utah Starter Jon Gruden POST #99 /zn/ wrote:The real point was that the "10 years" thing is meaningless. 10 years ago, 2012, is not 1959. What is the difference between 2012 and 2021 when it comes to this? Is 2021 the enlightened age where racism, homophobia, and sexism have been eradicated? While 2012 is the dark ages when those things were far more common? If it;s a hellava lot then it;s a hellava lot now too. Which may be the case. Either way I think the people saying "who could survive a search of their 2012 emails" are just inadvertantly pointing fingers at themselves. And no it was not everyone. Not everyone would have to worry about that now and not everyone would have to worry about that in 2012. ...Are you implying people can't change? Yes, it was 10 years ago and maybe he's a changed man. I don't know him and neither do you. Douse that torch with water, son, and take a chill pill. "Shoot, we'll fix that." by AvengerRam 3 years 8 months ago Total posts: 8919 Joined: Oct 03 2017 Lake Mary, Florida Hall of Fame Jon Gruden POST #100 VegasRam liked this post UtahRam wrote:Are you implying people can't change?If you've been reading zn's posts as long as I have, you'd know that, in his case, that's pretty much the case. 1 Reply 10 / 18 1 10 18 Display: All posts1 day7 days2 weeks1 month3 months6 months1 year Sort by: AuthorPost timeSubject Sort by: AscendingDescending Jump to: Forum Rams/NFL Other Sports Rams Fans United Q&A's Board Business 171 posts Jul 04 2025 FOLLOW US @RAMSFANSUNITED Who liked this post
by St. Loser Fan 3 years 8 months ago Total posts: 10889 Joined: May 31 2016 Saint Louis MO Hall of Fame Jon Gruden POST #92 AvengerRam wrote:OH MY GOD!!!!! HE'S WEARING A RACIST LOGO IN THAT PHOTO!!! FIRE HIM IMMEDIATELY!!! by Elvis 3 years 8 months ago Total posts: 41504 Joined: Mar 28 2015 Los Angeles Administrator Re: Jon Gruden POST #93 RFU Season Ticket Holder by PARAM 3 years 8 months ago Total posts: 13215 Joined: Jul 15 2015 Just far enough North of Philadelphia Hall of Fame Jon Gruden POST #94 BobCarl liked this post snackdaddy wrote:Working 20 years for the state we all knew one thing, if it isn't something you would say in front of a group of people do not put it in writing. It could come back to bite you one day.I remember my daughter coming home from school, in trouble because she passed a note in class. Not only with the teacher but with one of the girls who was the subject of the note. My wife sat them all down (our 3 kids, all girls) and told them don't write something down you don't want the whole class (or school) to know. Simple stuff. Learned by a 4th, 5th and 6th grader, I might add. With all the e-mail crap that has gone on over the last couple of decades, you'd think a grown assed man, who obviously has some intelligence, would not be so stupid. There may be reasons for thinking the way he does....one being a bigoted upbringing....but there's no reason to be that stupid. I don't like blacks? Lemme write that down!!!I believe women should work in the kitchen during the day and the bedroom at night. Lemme write that down!!! I don't like gays? Lemme write that down!!!Better yet, let me put all that on the internet!!! That sounds like a swell idea!!! Been following the horns since the Coliseum had a Roman playing there. McVay: 77-49, 2 Superbowls, 1 Lombardi............Doubt at your own peril 1 by AvengerRam 3 years 8 months ago Total posts: 8919 Joined: Oct 03 2017 Lake Mary, Florida Hall of Fame Jon Gruden POST #95 PARAM liked this post PARAM wrote:I remember my daughter coming home from school, in trouble because she passed a note in class. Not only with the teacher but with one of the girls who was the subject of the note. My wife sat them all down (our 3 kids, all girls) and told them don't write something down you don't want the whole class (or school) to know. Simple stuff. Learned by a 4th, 5th and 6th grader, I might add. With all the e-mail crap that has gone on over the last couple of decades, you'd think a grown assed man, who obviously has some intelligence, would not be so stupid. There may be reasons for thinking the way he does....one being a bigoted upbringing....but there's no reason to be that stupid. I don't like blacks? Lemme write that down!!!I believe women should work in the kitchen during the day and the bedroom at night. Lemme write that down!!! I don't like gays? Lemme write that down!!!Better yet, let me put all that on the internet!!! That sounds like a swell idea!!!"Mama used to say, stupid is as stupid texts (or emails)." 1 by snackdaddy 3 years 8 months ago Total posts: 10046 Joined: May 30 2015 Merced California Hall of Fame Re: Jon Gruden POST #96 Gruden's career with anything NFL related is over. No one's gonna touch him with a hundred foot pole. I know he's not the only one who has that mindset. But apparently he's the only one who's stupid enough to put it in writing. I gotta think it was arrogance on his part. Maybe he thought he was untouchable and didn't expect repercussions? If so, that would be extremely arrogant. by St. Loser Fan 3 years 8 months ago Total posts: 10889 Joined: May 31 2016 Saint Louis MO Hall of Fame Re: Jon Gruden POST #97 by AvengerRam 3 years 8 months ago Total posts: 8919 Joined: Oct 03 2017 Lake Mary, Florida Hall of Fame Jon Gruden POST #98 Flash liked this post snackdaddy wrote:Gruden's career with anything NFL related is over. No one's gonna touch him with a hundred foot pole. I know he's not the only one who has that mindset. But apparently he's the only one who's stupid enough to put it in writing. I gotta think it was arrogance on his part. Maybe he thought he was untouchable and didn't expect repercussions? If so, that would be extremely arrogant.The term has now been changed to persona non Gruden. 1 by UtahRam 3 years 8 months ago Total posts: 398 Joined: Oct 18 2019 Utah Starter Jon Gruden POST #99 /zn/ wrote:The real point was that the "10 years" thing is meaningless. 10 years ago, 2012, is not 1959. What is the difference between 2012 and 2021 when it comes to this? Is 2021 the enlightened age where racism, homophobia, and sexism have been eradicated? While 2012 is the dark ages when those things were far more common? If it;s a hellava lot then it;s a hellava lot now too. Which may be the case. Either way I think the people saying "who could survive a search of their 2012 emails" are just inadvertantly pointing fingers at themselves. And no it was not everyone. Not everyone would have to worry about that now and not everyone would have to worry about that in 2012. ...Are you implying people can't change? Yes, it was 10 years ago and maybe he's a changed man. I don't know him and neither do you. Douse that torch with water, son, and take a chill pill. "Shoot, we'll fix that." by AvengerRam 3 years 8 months ago Total posts: 8919 Joined: Oct 03 2017 Lake Mary, Florida Hall of Fame Jon Gruden POST #100 VegasRam liked this post UtahRam wrote:Are you implying people can't change?If you've been reading zn's posts as long as I have, you'd know that, in his case, that's pretty much the case. 1 Reply 10 / 18 1 10 18 Display: All posts1 day7 days2 weeks1 month3 months6 months1 year Sort by: AuthorPost timeSubject Sort by: AscendingDescending Jump to: Forum Rams/NFL Other Sports Rams Fans United Q&A's Board Business 171 posts Jul 04 2025 FOLLOW US @RAMSFANSUNITED Who liked this post
by Elvis 3 years 8 months ago Total posts: 41504 Joined: Mar 28 2015 Los Angeles Administrator Re: Jon Gruden POST #93 RFU Season Ticket Holder by PARAM 3 years 8 months ago Total posts: 13215 Joined: Jul 15 2015 Just far enough North of Philadelphia Hall of Fame Jon Gruden POST #94 BobCarl liked this post snackdaddy wrote:Working 20 years for the state we all knew one thing, if it isn't something you would say in front of a group of people do not put it in writing. It could come back to bite you one day.I remember my daughter coming home from school, in trouble because she passed a note in class. Not only with the teacher but with one of the girls who was the subject of the note. My wife sat them all down (our 3 kids, all girls) and told them don't write something down you don't want the whole class (or school) to know. Simple stuff. Learned by a 4th, 5th and 6th grader, I might add. With all the e-mail crap that has gone on over the last couple of decades, you'd think a grown assed man, who obviously has some intelligence, would not be so stupid. There may be reasons for thinking the way he does....one being a bigoted upbringing....but there's no reason to be that stupid. I don't like blacks? Lemme write that down!!!I believe women should work in the kitchen during the day and the bedroom at night. Lemme write that down!!! I don't like gays? Lemme write that down!!!Better yet, let me put all that on the internet!!! That sounds like a swell idea!!! Been following the horns since the Coliseum had a Roman playing there. McVay: 77-49, 2 Superbowls, 1 Lombardi............Doubt at your own peril 1 by AvengerRam 3 years 8 months ago Total posts: 8919 Joined: Oct 03 2017 Lake Mary, Florida Hall of Fame Jon Gruden POST #95 PARAM liked this post PARAM wrote:I remember my daughter coming home from school, in trouble because she passed a note in class. Not only with the teacher but with one of the girls who was the subject of the note. My wife sat them all down (our 3 kids, all girls) and told them don't write something down you don't want the whole class (or school) to know. Simple stuff. Learned by a 4th, 5th and 6th grader, I might add. With all the e-mail crap that has gone on over the last couple of decades, you'd think a grown assed man, who obviously has some intelligence, would not be so stupid. There may be reasons for thinking the way he does....one being a bigoted upbringing....but there's no reason to be that stupid. I don't like blacks? Lemme write that down!!!I believe women should work in the kitchen during the day and the bedroom at night. Lemme write that down!!! I don't like gays? Lemme write that down!!!Better yet, let me put all that on the internet!!! That sounds like a swell idea!!!"Mama used to say, stupid is as stupid texts (or emails)." 1 by snackdaddy 3 years 8 months ago Total posts: 10046 Joined: May 30 2015 Merced California Hall of Fame Re: Jon Gruden POST #96 Gruden's career with anything NFL related is over. No one's gonna touch him with a hundred foot pole. I know he's not the only one who has that mindset. But apparently he's the only one who's stupid enough to put it in writing. I gotta think it was arrogance on his part. Maybe he thought he was untouchable and didn't expect repercussions? If so, that would be extremely arrogant. by St. Loser Fan 3 years 8 months ago Total posts: 10889 Joined: May 31 2016 Saint Louis MO Hall of Fame Re: Jon Gruden POST #97 by AvengerRam 3 years 8 months ago Total posts: 8919 Joined: Oct 03 2017 Lake Mary, Florida Hall of Fame Jon Gruden POST #98 Flash liked this post snackdaddy wrote:Gruden's career with anything NFL related is over. No one's gonna touch him with a hundred foot pole. I know he's not the only one who has that mindset. But apparently he's the only one who's stupid enough to put it in writing. I gotta think it was arrogance on his part. Maybe he thought he was untouchable and didn't expect repercussions? If so, that would be extremely arrogant.The term has now been changed to persona non Gruden. 1 by UtahRam 3 years 8 months ago Total posts: 398 Joined: Oct 18 2019 Utah Starter Jon Gruden POST #99 /zn/ wrote:The real point was that the "10 years" thing is meaningless. 10 years ago, 2012, is not 1959. What is the difference between 2012 and 2021 when it comes to this? Is 2021 the enlightened age where racism, homophobia, and sexism have been eradicated? While 2012 is the dark ages when those things were far more common? If it;s a hellava lot then it;s a hellava lot now too. Which may be the case. Either way I think the people saying "who could survive a search of their 2012 emails" are just inadvertantly pointing fingers at themselves. And no it was not everyone. Not everyone would have to worry about that now and not everyone would have to worry about that in 2012. ...Are you implying people can't change? Yes, it was 10 years ago and maybe he's a changed man. I don't know him and neither do you. Douse that torch with water, son, and take a chill pill. "Shoot, we'll fix that." by AvengerRam 3 years 8 months ago Total posts: 8919 Joined: Oct 03 2017 Lake Mary, Florida Hall of Fame Jon Gruden POST #100 VegasRam liked this post UtahRam wrote:Are you implying people can't change?If you've been reading zn's posts as long as I have, you'd know that, in his case, that's pretty much the case. 1 Reply 10 / 18 1 10 18 Display: All posts1 day7 days2 weeks1 month3 months6 months1 year Sort by: AuthorPost timeSubject Sort by: AscendingDescending Jump to: Forum Rams/NFL Other Sports Rams Fans United Q&A's Board Business 171 posts Jul 04 2025 FOLLOW US @RAMSFANSUNITED Who liked this post
by PARAM 3 years 8 months ago Total posts: 13215 Joined: Jul 15 2015 Just far enough North of Philadelphia Hall of Fame Jon Gruden POST #94 BobCarl liked this post snackdaddy wrote:Working 20 years for the state we all knew one thing, if it isn't something you would say in front of a group of people do not put it in writing. It could come back to bite you one day.I remember my daughter coming home from school, in trouble because she passed a note in class. Not only with the teacher but with one of the girls who was the subject of the note. My wife sat them all down (our 3 kids, all girls) and told them don't write something down you don't want the whole class (or school) to know. Simple stuff. Learned by a 4th, 5th and 6th grader, I might add. With all the e-mail crap that has gone on over the last couple of decades, you'd think a grown assed man, who obviously has some intelligence, would not be so stupid. There may be reasons for thinking the way he does....one being a bigoted upbringing....but there's no reason to be that stupid. I don't like blacks? Lemme write that down!!!I believe women should work in the kitchen during the day and the bedroom at night. Lemme write that down!!! I don't like gays? Lemme write that down!!!Better yet, let me put all that on the internet!!! That sounds like a swell idea!!! Been following the horns since the Coliseum had a Roman playing there. McVay: 77-49, 2 Superbowls, 1 Lombardi............Doubt at your own peril 1 by AvengerRam 3 years 8 months ago Total posts: 8919 Joined: Oct 03 2017 Lake Mary, Florida Hall of Fame Jon Gruden POST #95 PARAM liked this post PARAM wrote:I remember my daughter coming home from school, in trouble because she passed a note in class. Not only with the teacher but with one of the girls who was the subject of the note. My wife sat them all down (our 3 kids, all girls) and told them don't write something down you don't want the whole class (or school) to know. Simple stuff. Learned by a 4th, 5th and 6th grader, I might add. With all the e-mail crap that has gone on over the last couple of decades, you'd think a grown assed man, who obviously has some intelligence, would not be so stupid. There may be reasons for thinking the way he does....one being a bigoted upbringing....but there's no reason to be that stupid. I don't like blacks? Lemme write that down!!!I believe women should work in the kitchen during the day and the bedroom at night. Lemme write that down!!! I don't like gays? Lemme write that down!!!Better yet, let me put all that on the internet!!! That sounds like a swell idea!!!"Mama used to say, stupid is as stupid texts (or emails)." 1 by snackdaddy 3 years 8 months ago Total posts: 10046 Joined: May 30 2015 Merced California Hall of Fame Re: Jon Gruden POST #96 Gruden's career with anything NFL related is over. No one's gonna touch him with a hundred foot pole. I know he's not the only one who has that mindset. But apparently he's the only one who's stupid enough to put it in writing. I gotta think it was arrogance on his part. Maybe he thought he was untouchable and didn't expect repercussions? If so, that would be extremely arrogant. by St. Loser Fan 3 years 8 months ago Total posts: 10889 Joined: May 31 2016 Saint Louis MO Hall of Fame Re: Jon Gruden POST #97 by AvengerRam 3 years 8 months ago Total posts: 8919 Joined: Oct 03 2017 Lake Mary, Florida Hall of Fame Jon Gruden POST #98 Flash liked this post snackdaddy wrote:Gruden's career with anything NFL related is over. No one's gonna touch him with a hundred foot pole. I know he's not the only one who has that mindset. But apparently he's the only one who's stupid enough to put it in writing. I gotta think it was arrogance on his part. Maybe he thought he was untouchable and didn't expect repercussions? If so, that would be extremely arrogant.The term has now been changed to persona non Gruden. 1 by UtahRam 3 years 8 months ago Total posts: 398 Joined: Oct 18 2019 Utah Starter Jon Gruden POST #99 /zn/ wrote:The real point was that the "10 years" thing is meaningless. 10 years ago, 2012, is not 1959. What is the difference between 2012 and 2021 when it comes to this? Is 2021 the enlightened age where racism, homophobia, and sexism have been eradicated? While 2012 is the dark ages when those things were far more common? If it;s a hellava lot then it;s a hellava lot now too. Which may be the case. Either way I think the people saying "who could survive a search of their 2012 emails" are just inadvertantly pointing fingers at themselves. And no it was not everyone. Not everyone would have to worry about that now and not everyone would have to worry about that in 2012. ...Are you implying people can't change? Yes, it was 10 years ago and maybe he's a changed man. I don't know him and neither do you. Douse that torch with water, son, and take a chill pill. "Shoot, we'll fix that." by AvengerRam 3 years 8 months ago Total posts: 8919 Joined: Oct 03 2017 Lake Mary, Florida Hall of Fame Jon Gruden POST #100 VegasRam liked this post UtahRam wrote:Are you implying people can't change?If you've been reading zn's posts as long as I have, you'd know that, in his case, that's pretty much the case. 1 Reply 10 / 18 1 10 18 Display: All posts1 day7 days2 weeks1 month3 months6 months1 year Sort by: AuthorPost timeSubject Sort by: AscendingDescending Jump to: Forum Rams/NFL Other Sports Rams Fans United Q&A's Board Business 171 posts Jul 04 2025 FOLLOW US @RAMSFANSUNITED Who liked this post
by AvengerRam 3 years 8 months ago Total posts: 8919 Joined: Oct 03 2017 Lake Mary, Florida Hall of Fame Jon Gruden POST #95 PARAM liked this post PARAM wrote:I remember my daughter coming home from school, in trouble because she passed a note in class. Not only with the teacher but with one of the girls who was the subject of the note. My wife sat them all down (our 3 kids, all girls) and told them don't write something down you don't want the whole class (or school) to know. Simple stuff. Learned by a 4th, 5th and 6th grader, I might add. With all the e-mail crap that has gone on over the last couple of decades, you'd think a grown assed man, who obviously has some intelligence, would not be so stupid. There may be reasons for thinking the way he does....one being a bigoted upbringing....but there's no reason to be that stupid. I don't like blacks? Lemme write that down!!!I believe women should work in the kitchen during the day and the bedroom at night. Lemme write that down!!! I don't like gays? Lemme write that down!!!Better yet, let me put all that on the internet!!! That sounds like a swell idea!!!"Mama used to say, stupid is as stupid texts (or emails)." 1 by snackdaddy 3 years 8 months ago Total posts: 10046 Joined: May 30 2015 Merced California Hall of Fame Re: Jon Gruden POST #96 Gruden's career with anything NFL related is over. No one's gonna touch him with a hundred foot pole. I know he's not the only one who has that mindset. But apparently he's the only one who's stupid enough to put it in writing. I gotta think it was arrogance on his part. Maybe he thought he was untouchable and didn't expect repercussions? If so, that would be extremely arrogant. by St. Loser Fan 3 years 8 months ago Total posts: 10889 Joined: May 31 2016 Saint Louis MO Hall of Fame Re: Jon Gruden POST #97 by AvengerRam 3 years 8 months ago Total posts: 8919 Joined: Oct 03 2017 Lake Mary, Florida Hall of Fame Jon Gruden POST #98 Flash liked this post snackdaddy wrote:Gruden's career with anything NFL related is over. No one's gonna touch him with a hundred foot pole. I know he's not the only one who has that mindset. But apparently he's the only one who's stupid enough to put it in writing. I gotta think it was arrogance on his part. Maybe he thought he was untouchable and didn't expect repercussions? If so, that would be extremely arrogant.The term has now been changed to persona non Gruden. 1 by UtahRam 3 years 8 months ago Total posts: 398 Joined: Oct 18 2019 Utah Starter Jon Gruden POST #99 /zn/ wrote:The real point was that the "10 years" thing is meaningless. 10 years ago, 2012, is not 1959. What is the difference between 2012 and 2021 when it comes to this? Is 2021 the enlightened age where racism, homophobia, and sexism have been eradicated? While 2012 is the dark ages when those things were far more common? If it;s a hellava lot then it;s a hellava lot now too. Which may be the case. Either way I think the people saying "who could survive a search of their 2012 emails" are just inadvertantly pointing fingers at themselves. And no it was not everyone. Not everyone would have to worry about that now and not everyone would have to worry about that in 2012. ...Are you implying people can't change? Yes, it was 10 years ago and maybe he's a changed man. I don't know him and neither do you. Douse that torch with water, son, and take a chill pill. "Shoot, we'll fix that." by AvengerRam 3 years 8 months ago Total posts: 8919 Joined: Oct 03 2017 Lake Mary, Florida Hall of Fame Jon Gruden POST #100 VegasRam liked this post UtahRam wrote:Are you implying people can't change?If you've been reading zn's posts as long as I have, you'd know that, in his case, that's pretty much the case. 1 Reply 10 / 18 1 10 18 Display: All posts1 day7 days2 weeks1 month3 months6 months1 year Sort by: AuthorPost timeSubject Sort by: AscendingDescending Jump to: Forum Rams/NFL Other Sports Rams Fans United Q&A's Board Business 171 posts Jul 04 2025
by snackdaddy 3 years 8 months ago Total posts: 10046 Joined: May 30 2015 Merced California Hall of Fame Re: Jon Gruden POST #96 Gruden's career with anything NFL related is over. No one's gonna touch him with a hundred foot pole. I know he's not the only one who has that mindset. But apparently he's the only one who's stupid enough to put it in writing. I gotta think it was arrogance on his part. Maybe he thought he was untouchable and didn't expect repercussions? If so, that would be extremely arrogant. by St. Loser Fan 3 years 8 months ago Total posts: 10889 Joined: May 31 2016 Saint Louis MO Hall of Fame Re: Jon Gruden POST #97 by AvengerRam 3 years 8 months ago Total posts: 8919 Joined: Oct 03 2017 Lake Mary, Florida Hall of Fame Jon Gruden POST #98 Flash liked this post snackdaddy wrote:Gruden's career with anything NFL related is over. No one's gonna touch him with a hundred foot pole. I know he's not the only one who has that mindset. But apparently he's the only one who's stupid enough to put it in writing. I gotta think it was arrogance on his part. Maybe he thought he was untouchable and didn't expect repercussions? If so, that would be extremely arrogant.The term has now been changed to persona non Gruden. 1 by UtahRam 3 years 8 months ago Total posts: 398 Joined: Oct 18 2019 Utah Starter Jon Gruden POST #99 /zn/ wrote:The real point was that the "10 years" thing is meaningless. 10 years ago, 2012, is not 1959. What is the difference between 2012 and 2021 when it comes to this? Is 2021 the enlightened age where racism, homophobia, and sexism have been eradicated? While 2012 is the dark ages when those things were far more common? If it;s a hellava lot then it;s a hellava lot now too. Which may be the case. Either way I think the people saying "who could survive a search of their 2012 emails" are just inadvertantly pointing fingers at themselves. And no it was not everyone. Not everyone would have to worry about that now and not everyone would have to worry about that in 2012. ...Are you implying people can't change? Yes, it was 10 years ago and maybe he's a changed man. I don't know him and neither do you. Douse that torch with water, son, and take a chill pill. "Shoot, we'll fix that." by AvengerRam 3 years 8 months ago Total posts: 8919 Joined: Oct 03 2017 Lake Mary, Florida Hall of Fame Jon Gruden POST #100 VegasRam liked this post UtahRam wrote:Are you implying people can't change?If you've been reading zn's posts as long as I have, you'd know that, in his case, that's pretty much the case. 1 Reply 10 / 18 1 10 18 Display: All posts1 day7 days2 weeks1 month3 months6 months1 year Sort by: AuthorPost timeSubject Sort by: AscendingDescending Jump to: Forum Rams/NFL Other Sports Rams Fans United Q&A's Board Business 171 posts Jul 04 2025
by St. Loser Fan 3 years 8 months ago Total posts: 10889 Joined: May 31 2016 Saint Louis MO Hall of Fame Re: Jon Gruden POST #97 by AvengerRam 3 years 8 months ago Total posts: 8919 Joined: Oct 03 2017 Lake Mary, Florida Hall of Fame Jon Gruden POST #98 Flash liked this post snackdaddy wrote:Gruden's career with anything NFL related is over. No one's gonna touch him with a hundred foot pole. I know he's not the only one who has that mindset. But apparently he's the only one who's stupid enough to put it in writing. I gotta think it was arrogance on his part. Maybe he thought he was untouchable and didn't expect repercussions? If so, that would be extremely arrogant.The term has now been changed to persona non Gruden. 1 by UtahRam 3 years 8 months ago Total posts: 398 Joined: Oct 18 2019 Utah Starter Jon Gruden POST #99 /zn/ wrote:The real point was that the "10 years" thing is meaningless. 10 years ago, 2012, is not 1959. What is the difference between 2012 and 2021 when it comes to this? Is 2021 the enlightened age where racism, homophobia, and sexism have been eradicated? While 2012 is the dark ages when those things were far more common? If it;s a hellava lot then it;s a hellava lot now too. Which may be the case. Either way I think the people saying "who could survive a search of their 2012 emails" are just inadvertantly pointing fingers at themselves. And no it was not everyone. Not everyone would have to worry about that now and not everyone would have to worry about that in 2012. ...Are you implying people can't change? Yes, it was 10 years ago and maybe he's a changed man. I don't know him and neither do you. Douse that torch with water, son, and take a chill pill. "Shoot, we'll fix that." by AvengerRam 3 years 8 months ago Total posts: 8919 Joined: Oct 03 2017 Lake Mary, Florida Hall of Fame Jon Gruden POST #100 VegasRam liked this post UtahRam wrote:Are you implying people can't change?If you've been reading zn's posts as long as I have, you'd know that, in his case, that's pretty much the case. 1 Reply 10 / 18 1 10 18 Display: All posts1 day7 days2 weeks1 month3 months6 months1 year Sort by: AuthorPost timeSubject Sort by: AscendingDescending Jump to: Forum Rams/NFL Other Sports Rams Fans United Q&A's Board Business 171 posts Jul 04 2025
by AvengerRam 3 years 8 months ago Total posts: 8919 Joined: Oct 03 2017 Lake Mary, Florida Hall of Fame Jon Gruden POST #98 Flash liked this post snackdaddy wrote:Gruden's career with anything NFL related is over. No one's gonna touch him with a hundred foot pole. I know he's not the only one who has that mindset. But apparently he's the only one who's stupid enough to put it in writing. I gotta think it was arrogance on his part. Maybe he thought he was untouchable and didn't expect repercussions? If so, that would be extremely arrogant.The term has now been changed to persona non Gruden. 1 by UtahRam 3 years 8 months ago Total posts: 398 Joined: Oct 18 2019 Utah Starter Jon Gruden POST #99 /zn/ wrote:The real point was that the "10 years" thing is meaningless. 10 years ago, 2012, is not 1959. What is the difference between 2012 and 2021 when it comes to this? Is 2021 the enlightened age where racism, homophobia, and sexism have been eradicated? While 2012 is the dark ages when those things were far more common? If it;s a hellava lot then it;s a hellava lot now too. Which may be the case. Either way I think the people saying "who could survive a search of their 2012 emails" are just inadvertantly pointing fingers at themselves. And no it was not everyone. Not everyone would have to worry about that now and not everyone would have to worry about that in 2012. ...Are you implying people can't change? Yes, it was 10 years ago and maybe he's a changed man. I don't know him and neither do you. Douse that torch with water, son, and take a chill pill. "Shoot, we'll fix that." by AvengerRam 3 years 8 months ago Total posts: 8919 Joined: Oct 03 2017 Lake Mary, Florida Hall of Fame Jon Gruden POST #100 VegasRam liked this post UtahRam wrote:Are you implying people can't change?If you've been reading zn's posts as long as I have, you'd know that, in his case, that's pretty much the case. 1 Reply 10 / 18 1 10 18 Display: All posts1 day7 days2 weeks1 month3 months6 months1 year Sort by: AuthorPost timeSubject Sort by: AscendingDescending Jump to: Forum Rams/NFL Other Sports Rams Fans United Q&A's Board Business 171 posts Jul 04 2025
by UtahRam 3 years 8 months ago Total posts: 398 Joined: Oct 18 2019 Utah Starter Jon Gruden POST #99 /zn/ wrote:The real point was that the "10 years" thing is meaningless. 10 years ago, 2012, is not 1959. What is the difference between 2012 and 2021 when it comes to this? Is 2021 the enlightened age where racism, homophobia, and sexism have been eradicated? While 2012 is the dark ages when those things were far more common? If it;s a hellava lot then it;s a hellava lot now too. Which may be the case. Either way I think the people saying "who could survive a search of their 2012 emails" are just inadvertantly pointing fingers at themselves. And no it was not everyone. Not everyone would have to worry about that now and not everyone would have to worry about that in 2012. ...Are you implying people can't change? Yes, it was 10 years ago and maybe he's a changed man. I don't know him and neither do you. Douse that torch with water, son, and take a chill pill. "Shoot, we'll fix that." by AvengerRam 3 years 8 months ago Total posts: 8919 Joined: Oct 03 2017 Lake Mary, Florida Hall of Fame Jon Gruden POST #100 VegasRam liked this post UtahRam wrote:Are you implying people can't change?If you've been reading zn's posts as long as I have, you'd know that, in his case, that's pretty much the case. 1 Reply 10 / 18 1 10 18 Display: All posts1 day7 days2 weeks1 month3 months6 months1 year Sort by: AuthorPost timeSubject Sort by: AscendingDescending Jump to: Forum Rams/NFL Other Sports Rams Fans United Q&A's Board Business 171 posts Jul 04 2025
by AvengerRam 3 years 8 months ago Total posts: 8919 Joined: Oct 03 2017 Lake Mary, Florida Hall of Fame Jon Gruden POST #100 VegasRam liked this post UtahRam wrote:Are you implying people can't change?If you've been reading zn's posts as long as I have, you'd know that, in his case, that's pretty much the case. 1 Reply 10 / 18 1 10 18 Display: All posts1 day7 days2 weeks1 month3 months6 months1 year Sort by: AuthorPost timeSubject Sort by: AscendingDescending Jump to: Forum Rams/NFL Other Sports Rams Fans United Q&A's Board Business