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Mahomes is the easiest one.

There are some borderline (Wilson, Luck) some yes, if it was 2016 (Brady, Brees, etc,), and some close, but.. (Wentz, Watson).

I’m content with our guy.

Totally agree with this. Actually, I’m flabbergasted at how much I agree.

I can only add that I don’t know how much time Rodgers has left, if he has another 5 to 6 years than him for sure.

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- roethlisberger
- rivers?
- mayfield?
- wentz?
- brees?
- ryan?
- prescott?
- brady?
- luck?
- rodgers?
- wilson?
- mahomes?

Well I am with the consensus. If it's a permanent trade, given who those guys are right now, it would have to be Wilson or Mahomes.

But here's an alternative question.

How long until Goff is as good as at least MOST of those guys in their prime years?

Right now I would say he is already as good as or better than 3 of them but also catching up with 3-4 or more (and maybe he does catch up with them this year). Some more seasoning and experience and development and he could be as good as or better than all but 2 or 3? But ceilings are hard to predict.

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Also with respect to top 5 rankings we know the Rams are #1 in points scored the last two years (1005), tied with New England and New Orleans for #1 in win percentage the last two years (.750) and #3 in yards (behind KC and New England) the last two years (12,522). IMHO, Jared Goff had a pretty big hand in those rankings.

Of course he did. But do you imagine no other qb would have had similar numbers with the same offense, OL, weapons, and coach? So the way I see it, Goff has taken good advantage of a great opportunity--and of course has the talent to do exactly that. Plus last year he emerged as a clutch qb who is capable of winning in close games at the end.

I do however still see him as a developing third year qb who will be more consistent as he develops. I don't know if that agrees with your view or not.

And it's just as clear to me that the subpar games at the end of 2018 are not wholly on Goff any more than the wins are entirely on him. The OL got pressured more and some better defenses were able to slow the Rams passing game down. That's not exlusively on Goff either.

He can however grow to the point where he plays more consistently well, even under those circumstances...which is exactly what the offense is working on this off-season, according to reports.


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[moklerman]

Goff is going to have to do a lot to be considered elite. In terms of national perception, he stunk on ice without McVay, has Gurley often carrying the load and his post season and prime time games haven't always been sparkling.

Mainly, I'd say that most don't consider him to be doing something that many other QB's couldn't do if they were given McVay as a coach and all the weapons on offense. I don't really know how he's going to overcome that stigma. I know that he is not considered elite by most. Right or wrong, that's how he's perceived.

I don't know of many times that he's mentioned in the same breath as those who are considered elite. He worked his way into the conversation culminating with the KC game but once everyone was paying attention, he consistently struggled. Perception suffered because of it.

[sloramfan]

ok, i went through enough of this thread to say...

for those of you who think goff is not elite... why?

he's put up numbers to show that he is... period... now show me your pathetic responses...

go rams

slo

[sloramfan]

geeze mockler...

go rams

slo

[moklerman]

ok, i went through enough of this thread to say...

for those of you who think goff is not elite... why?

he's put up numbers to show that he is... period... now show me your pathetic responses...

go rams

slo

Right, because your post clearly illustrates how you'd like to have a constructive exchange of ideas, exploring other's point of view even though they don't coincide with yours.

[sloramfan]

so you really think goff is no where near elite status after the last 2 years of watching our rams...

ok...

go rams

slo

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Goff is going to have to do a lot to be considered elite. In terms of national perception, he stunk on ice without McVay, has Gurley often carrying the load and his post season and prime time games haven't always been sparkling..... He worked his way into the conversation culminating with the KC game but once everyone was paying attention, he consistently struggled. Perception suffered because of it.

You have a darker version of the same story I do.

Where I assume we differ is this. First, to me the term "elite" is used for something rare. Only three qbs right now are even in that conversation in my view (Brady, Brees, Rodgers). (With Wilson paying dues for admittance.) To me it would take years for any young qb to pile up the accomplishments to be considered elite.

Second, yeah a lot of people put everything on the qb but I don't. The Rams below average games last year just do not go to the qb alone. The OL was exposed a bit against good defenses that knew how to do that, and good defenses also threw some hesitation into the passing game by taking advantage of the Rams offensive issues with adjustments.

I probably give Goff more credit than you do as is, but I also see Goff on a path toward getting even better. I have no doubts that will happen.

Plus as I said a lot already, Goff is young...you can look back at almost any good qb and count up the subpar and below average games they had in their third year. I'll just pick one out of the blue. Ryan. (I've done others before, now it's his turn.)

Just to make a rough point, I will count as a below average game any in which the qb gets a qb rating of less than 80.

In Ryan's third year, counting the playoffs (for 17 total games), he had 7 games with a below avg. qb rating. That includes 4 of those in the last 6 games (counting their playoff loss.) In those games combined he had 8 TDs and 9 INTs (in the other 10 regular season games combined he had 21 TDs and 2 INTs).

Yet they went 13-3 that year. And he had his share of 100+ qb rating games (6 to be exact).

In their one playoff game, they lost 21-48 and Ryan threw 1 TD, 2 INTs, and earned a qb rating of 69.0.

Yep. Third year qb. Up and down. Not consistently at a solid level throughout the season.

[moklerman]

so you really think goff is no where near elite status after the last 2 years of watching our rams...

ok...

go rams

slo

I don't think he "is" elite. Where did you get "nowhere near elite"? That's not the same at all.

Goff has put up good numbers, continued to improve and needs to improve more in certain areas to increase his efficiency and production all the way to the elite level. He is a top 10 QB but that isn't necessarily elite.

Just because he isn't the very cream of the crop doesn't mean he sucks or that he'll never be better than he is right now. But he hasn't put up the numbers to be elite yet.

Which shouldn't be offensive or controversial to anyone.