[ramsman34]

He didn't write a "character assessment" and I didn't see anything extreme.

You and I and Max all agree on this and are all saying it in different words: "ready" carries a function of time/experience with it. I don't think Goff is "there" because of time

Yeah. That's what all 3 of us are saying. Look at Max's words: I really don’t believe Goff is ready to win a game like this. I think he’s a year away.

You're saying what he's saying. He's saying what you're saying. I'm saying what both of you are saying.

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Nope, I am saying he IS ready to win a game like this right now - again, based on his growth to date, his teammates, his coach. He will be more ready in the future based on winning "games like this" over time.

We do all agree that he is good and has room to get better.

[ramsman34]

Ever wonder what it must be like to watch a game with some of these guys?

BTW, inside the 5? That's Gurley territory!!!

You would love watching a Rams game with me brother. I am out of my mind, lol.

[RamsFanSince82]

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You would love watching a Rams game with me brother. I am out of my mind, lol.

I'm sure I would.

That was what was so cool about RRFfest in St.Louis. I got to meet SonDee, RamsnationSD, Pesci, LARF, Canuck (and many more), watch a game with them, drink in a pub with them, eat in a restaurant with them. We talked football a lot but it was also other stuff. It was great. I'd love to watch a Rams game with many people on this site, have a beer or three, eat a meal, talk face to face. Maybe someday in the future I will. I'm still relatively young (60 ).

[ramsman34]

I'm sure I would.

That was what was so cool about RRFfest in St.Louis. I got to meet SonDee, RamsnationSD, Pesci, LARF (and many more), watch a game with them, drink in a pub with them, eat in a restaurant with them. We talked football a lot but it was also other stuff. It was great. I'd love to watch a Rams game with many people on this site, have a beer or three, eat a meal, talk face to face. Maybe someday in the future I will. I'm still relatively young (60 ).

Gf and I will be at the 9er game. Hopefully you are there. And I will be hitting up our RFU tailgaters if at all possible.

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Gf and I will be at the 9er game. Hopefully you are there. And I will be hitting up our RFU tailgaters if at all possible.

LOL. I'm in Pennsylvania. I'm going to get out there next season for sure. Want to see a Ram game in the Old House. Then once the new place opens see one there. Hopefully I'll get to meet a lot of you folks there.

[max]

As a rule, when people say "comback" it's just shorthand for a 4th quarter comeback. If you directly ask Max I bet he would say that that is what he meant.

It's understood that momentum can shift or that 2nd half adjustments can get a team rolling in the 3rd quarter.

It's a very distinct test for a qb to keep his poise and execute when coming from behind at the bottom of the 4th quarter. Also as a rule in that situation the passing game is usually the main weapon and the opposing defense knows it.

When it comes to all that, this year Goff has been a bit up and down. He threw the INT against Washington, though that was early in the season. He was driving on Seattle but then Kupp dropped the game winner. He did execute well in the 2nd half against Dallas though that situation also depended on the Rams defense taking over the half.

There is something very pure in measuring a qb's 4th quarter comeback trends. They have to pass, time is an issue, a lot of what happens rests on him more than in any other game situation it would seem.

I've always counted 4th quarter comeback mojo as an important part of measuring a qb. Think of the qbs who were widely acknowledged as being great at this. Montana, Stabler, Staubach, Marino, Elway and "the drive"....

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4th quarter comebacks, especially late. That is exactly what I meant.

What I'm finding here is diehard Rams fans defending our young QB and letting their emotions drive their logic.

What they are missing is that no one here was a bigger advocate for drafting Goff over Wentz than me. I was pounding the table for the kid. And I stand by it. I believe there were valid reasons for picking Goff over Wentz and they still exist.

Funny story, at the Giants game this year, I met up with the 2 guys who do the Downtown Rams podcast. A couple of young kids who are passionate about the Rams and live in the Northeast. Well, turns out they connected online because they were so adamant that the Rams should take Wentz over Goff and they were very surprised when I went into my explanation of why Goff was my choice. Only recently, when Wentz went down did they say to me, I remember what you said, and it makes more sense now.

All I'm saying here is that Goff needs more time to be the kind of QB who I will have confidence in that he can bring the team back late in the game. He's not at that level yet. He may do it in a game soon, but that doesn't mean he can do it consistently. He's not at that point yet.

[ramsman34]

LOL. I'm in Pennsylvania. I'm going to get out there next season for sure. Want to see a Ram game in the Old House. Then once the new place opens see one there. Hopefully I'll get to meet a lot of you folks there.

That would be sweet! The left coast is nice this time of year. Especially, THIS year!

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Nope, I am saying he IS ready to win a game like this right now - again, based on his growth to date, his teammates, his coach. He will be more ready in the future based on winning "games like this" over time.

We do all agree that he is good and has room to get better.

Okay, fair enough, I misread a bit.

In terms of your last statement there, yes we're more or less in the same ballpark, it's just that you see more growth NOW and maybe Max sees more of it coming down the line.

In terms of clutch ability...now that I think about it, I am not sure that's a factor of time. I think you have that, or you don't. And so I would say right now that I don't know yet if he has that. He has shown some signs of it.

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4th quarter comebacks, especially late. That is exactly what I meant.

What I'm finding here is diehard Rams fans defending our young QB and letting their emotions drive their logic.

What they are missing is that no one here was a bigger advocate for drafting Goff over Wentz than me. All I'm saying here is that Goff needs more time to be the kind of QB who I will have confidence in that he can bring the team back late in the game. He's not at that level yet. He may do it in a game soon, but that doesn't mean he can do it consistently. He's not at that point yet.

It's easy Max. He hasn't led them downfield with 1:34 left in the game to win it. And until he does, he won't have a comeback on his resume. He's gotta get the first one before he gets his second and third and fourth and becomes somebody who fans like you believe he's capable. We saw him lead the Rams downfield against the Seahawks BUT he didn't win it. So that doesn't count. But does that mean he isn't capable? No. It just means he hasn't done it. I believe he can do it.....I watched him lead the Rams downfield against the Saints last year before the half to get us within 7. Not the same thing, I know......

Against Seattle he had 1:07. It took him 3 plays to get us to their 20, spike it with 0:35 left, then throw an incompletion to Gurley, another to Kupp who had it on his hands and then a third incomplete at the goal line. He put us in position to win it, made the throw to win it but it wasn't caught. He's there or as close as you can be without yet doing it. You seem to be saying he's incapable or more accurately, you don't know if he's capable. Fair enough.