[dieterbrock]

Typically, I would agree. But, in this case, LaCan makes a lot of sense. I think we are stuck with him at $16.7 mil unless something happens before the end of the 3rd round in the draft. Wade will get to test Tru out in his system and if he fits, they try to work out a long term deal.

I think its a huge commitment for a team to take that contract off of our hands.
And the compensation will be adjusted for it, understandably.
Now if the Rams sole intention was to tag him just so they could trade him (as some have suggested) then I would take whatever they could get

[ramsman34]

I think its a huge commitment for a team to take that contract off of our hands.
And the compensation will be adjusted for it, understandably.
Now if the Rams sole intention was to tag him just so they could trade him (as some have suggested) then I would take whatever they could get

But it makes more sense then to release him and get potentially higher draft compensation next year, rather than just anything (IE low rounder) this year, doesn't it?

[PARAM]

But it makes more sense then to release him and get potentially higher draft compensation next year, rather than just anything (IE low rounder) this year, doesn't it?

Not necessarily. There are no guarantees we'd receive a 3rd or a 4th based off his salary, because it's not just based on salary. Of course there may be more to it than what we're seeing.

Osweiler's guarantees are mostly in 2017, so its virtually the same thing. Problem with Tru is that he cant be franchised again, so you're getting a 1 year rental who's being paid 20-30% more than the best CB's in the league, while he's just a "good" one

It's not virtually the same thing. The HUGE difference is Tru can play and Osweiler was an epic mistake. He sucks. Yes, Osweiler's guarantees will be done after this season. He got a 12 signing bonus, 4 mil salary, 5 mil roster bonus in 2016 and his 2017 salary (16 mil) is guaranteed.

The reason Houston traded him was they saved 16 mil. They're still going to be hit with a 9 mil cap charge (if I'm reading it right) this year. Cleveland is going to get hit with a 16 mil cap charge if they don't trade the guy.....and NOBODY is taking him for a 16 mil cap hit. From everything I've read, they were prepared to buy that draft pick because of the amount of cap space they had. But they're betting somebody will be hard up and take him off their hands. Otherwise, they release him or let him be a backup or #3. Either way it still costs them 16 mil.

So for my money, it's not similar. Not even close. A team in need of a good CB AND cap space, might throw a decent pick our way.

Ultimately, it looks like next off season is a better year to lose him as the Rams will likely be investing a ton in to their own FA and may not be making big strides outside. So losing him will likely get them the 3rd round comp pick that they wouldn't be getting if he signed elsewhere this year

There are no guarantees on the comp pick, which is why they franchised him IMHO. Would he have received AJ Bouye money (65 mil with 26 mil guaranteed) from somebody this year? Would he have received Gilmore money (65 mil with 40 mil guaranteed)? If the answer to that is 'yes', then we should have suitors in a trade. Because 17 mil and a chance to sign him long term sounds frugal compared to those 2. If the answer is "no", then we probably wouldn't have received a 3rd round comp pick for him next year. And the changes from year to year, we have no idea if we'd receive a 3rd round for him in 2018 should he leave after 2017. From everything I've read, the formula (and they do have a formula) the NFL uses programs money, playing time and stats/performance into the equation.

So I think they believe, they're prepared to pay him the 17 mil or they believe there's a chance to sign him long term or they believe they're going to get an offer for him.

[ramsman34]

Not necessarily. There are no guarantees we'd receive a 3rd or a 4th based off his salary, because it's not just based on salary. Of course there may be more to it than what we're seeing.




It's not virtually the same thing. The HUGE difference is Tru can play and Osweiler was an epic mistake. He sucks. Yes, Osweiler's guarantees will be done after this season. He got a 12 signing bonus, 4 mil salary, 5 mil roster bonus in 2016 and his 2017 salary (16 mil) is guaranteed.

The reason Houston traded him was they saved 16 mil. They're still going to be hit with a 9 mil cap charge (if I'm reading it right) this year. Cleveland is going to get hit with a 16 mil cap charge if they don't trade the guy.....and NOBODY is taking him for a 16 mil cap hit. From everything I've read, they were prepared to buy that draft pick because of the amount of cap space they had. But they're betting somebody will be hard up and take him off their hands. Otherwise, they release him or let him be a backup or #3. Either way it still costs them 16 mil.

So for my money, it's not similar. Not even close. A team in need of a good CB AND cap space, might throw a decent pick our way.



There are no guarantees on the comp pick, which is why they franchised him IMHO. Would he have received AJ Bouye money (65 mil with 26 mil guaranteed) from somebody this year? Would he have received Gilmore money (65 mil with 40 mil guaranteed)? If the answer to that is 'yes', then we should have suitors in a trade. Because 17 mil and a chance to sign him long term sounds frugal compared to those 2. If the answer is "no", then we probably wouldn't have received a 3rd round comp pick for him next year. And the changes from year to year, we have no idea if we'd receive a 3rd round for him in 2018 should he leave after 2017. From everything I've read, the formula (and they do have a formula) the NFL uses programs money, playing time and stats/performance into the equation.

So I think they believe, they're prepared to pay him the 17 mil or they believe there's a chance to sign him long term or they believe they're going to get an offer for him.

Fair assessment but, I was taking into consideration that he would be a starter with a lot of playing time and his stats would improve over last season, netting us at least a 4th rounder in 2018.

[dieterbrock]

Not necessarily. There are no guarantees we'd receive a 3rd or a 4th based off his salary, because it's not just based on salary. Of course there may be more to it than what we're seeing.




It's not virtually the same thing. The HUGE difference is Tru can play and Osweiler was an epic mistake. He sucks. Yes, Osweiler's guarantees will be done after this season. He got a 12 signing bonus, 4 mil salary, 5 mil roster bonus in 2016 and his 2017 salary (16 mil) is guaranteed.

The reason Houston traded him was they saved 16 mil. They're still going to be hit with a 9 mil cap charge (if I'm reading it right) this year. Cleveland is going to get hit with a 16 mil cap charge if they don't trade the guy.....and NOBODY is taking him for a 16 mil cap hit. From everything I've read, they were prepared to buy that draft pick because of the amount of cap space they had. But they're betting somebody will be hard up and take him off their hands. Otherwise, they release him or let him be a backup or #3. Either way it still costs them 16 mil.

So for my money, it's not similar. Not even close. A team in need of a good CB AND cap space, might throw a decent pick our way.



There are no guarantees on the comp pick, which is why they franchised him IMHO. Would he have received AJ Bouye money (65 mil with 26 mil guaranteed) from somebody this year? Would he have received Gilmore money (65 mil with 40 mil guaranteed)? If the answer to that is 'yes', then we should have suitors in a trade. Because 17 mil and a chance to sign him long term sounds frugal compared to those 2. If the answer is "no", then we probably wouldn't have received a 3rd round comp pick for him next year. And the changes from year to year, we have no idea if we'd receive a 3rd round for him in 2018 should he leave after 2017. From everything I've read, the formula (and they do have a formula) the NFL uses programs money, playing time and stats/performance into the equation.

So I think they believe, they're prepared to pay him the 17 mil or they believe there's a chance to sign him long term or they believe they're going to get an offer for him.

Comparing Oz to Tru player wise is irrelevant to the point I made. The similarity is in the excessive cap dollars and the priority to trade in order to get relief from.
Anyone trading for Tru is getting a 1 year rental for a player who being paid 20-30% more than the top players at the same position, and a player who hasn't been able to be signed long term in 2 FA. That's a big risk for a team to take on regardless to what he will give you on the field in 2017. Particularly when we are talking about a team like Cleveland, who is clearly not a "player away" and getting Tru for 1 year
Whoever is going to trade for Tru cant negotiate with him while he's a Ram, so there's no way of knowing if they can sign him long term until AFTER he's their property.
Trades are all about risk/reward and I think there's pretty little opportunity for ROI.

[dieterbrock]

Fair assessment but, I was taking into consideration that he would be a starter with a lot of playing time and his stats would improve over last season, netting us at least a 4th rounder in 2018.

The Rams have already signed Whitworth and Woods and if they didn't franchise Tru, that would be potentially another big time player or possibly 2 others. When looking at comp picks in 2018, the Rams wouldn't get anything for losing Tru because they brought in so much talent. It's a net loss to a team that gets them comp picks, its not a pick for player deal. Had they lost him in FA this year its extremely unlikely they'd get anything for it, unless all the guys they brought in didn't make an impact (which would be awful)
Conversely if the lose Tru next off season, and they aren't able to spend in FA because they are focused on re-signing their own players (Donald and Tree for instance) they are more likely to get that comp pick in the following draft

[ramsman34]

The Rams have already signed Whitworth and Woods and if they didn't franchise Tru, that would be potentially another big time player or possibly 2 others. When looking at comp picks in 2018, the Rams wouldn't get anything for losing Tru because they brought in so much talent. It's a net loss to a team that gets them comp picks, its not a pick for player deal. Had they lost him in FA this year its extremely unlikely they'd get anything for it, unless all the guys they brought in didn't make an impact (which would be awful)
Conversely if the lose Tru next off season, and they aren't able to spend in FA because they are focused on re-signing their own players (Donald and Tree for instance) they are more likely to get that comp pick in the following draft

I knew there was an element I forget/left out. I didn't consider it is the NET F/A losses and gains, to go along with the other determinants. Thank you for adding this. Nest season is the much smarter play as far as letting him go. So, I think that option one is , trade him if the deal is good enough. Two, test him for a year and deal with him based on his fit and play in the new system. Basically a win/win for the Rams if you accept the immediate cap RAMifications.

[safer]

IF Williams and the Brownies want Tru, he may be willing to sign a long term deal with them so he can continue to play in the only D system he knows and has excelled in (at times). Some guys are really drawn to being pursued by a team that is so interested, and WHATEVER offer we get from the Browns will almost assuredly, be the best one we get.