[Hacksaw]

People who know history know what happened. People who deny history deny what happened.

Hard to argue that. Altho most chose to stick with the feel good for themselves and they feel bad about the enemy (which feels good). Ultimately what happened,,, happened.

[Elvis]

I'm a pretty big believer in "you are what your record says you are" and Sean McVay's record says he's a really good coach.

Let do this thing...

[ramsman34]

No one has a clue what will happen. Well maybe there are a mixed bag of clues and more coming. But once the ball is kicked off in Seattle, the journey begins and week by week, we find out what this team is and ponder what it will be. We will remember 5-12 until this season is in the book. Then all the comparisons, predictions, hopefulness, and doomsday scenarios will sprout anew.

I’m going to watch every week, root hard and hope this team makes the playoffs.

It’s all gravy after that if they do. I think they will and I think they will be a good to very good team. And history says I SHOULD think that.

[rams1974]

To repeat a familiar history we all know well. In 98 the Rams were 4/12. They had issues at qb and RB and some (though not all) suspected the coaching. If you knew the team you could reasonably predict that they had some talent and were building and that it was not always goint to be 4/12, and in fact that's the view many had at the time. No one predicted 99, but there were many who saw a team that was building and just needed a couple of key parts. No one guessed that one was already on the roster (qb) and the other would come in for merely a 2nd round pick (RB).

The Rams had a pretty good defense in 1998, they were just put on the field, in terrible situations, repeatedly by turnover machine Tony Banks .. which itself was a problem created by an in-over-his-head coach failing to drive accountability .. which continued the culture of losing that had been there for years.

I guess the point is that sometimes you have to really bottom out and that drives a lot of positive change. We saw it in 1998-99, 2016-17. Not so much 2009-2011...

Some may say the Chiefs are showing how it's done! The Chiefs and Bengals, I'm noticing, are being held up in stark contrast to what the Rams did. See, this is how you are supposed to do it! OK! Sure, all you need is generational talent at QB plus numerous other pieces .. hang on a second, let me write that all down before I forget. "Get .. generational talent .. QB." OK, thanks. Does anyone have Les Snead's email address? Eyeroll

[ramsww]

The Rams had a pretty good defense in 1998, they were just put on the field, in terrible situations, repeatedly by turnover machine Tony Banks .. which itself was a problem created by an in-over-his-head coach failing to drive accountability .. which continued the culture of losing that had been there for years.

I guess the point is that sometimes you have to really bottom out and that drives a lot of positive change. We saw it in 1998-99, 2016-17. Not so much 2009-2011...

Some may say the Chiefs are showing how it's done! The Chiefs and Bengals, I'm noticing, are being held up in stark contrast to what the Rams did. See, this is how you are supposed to do it! OK! Sure, all you need is generational talent at QB plus numerous other pieces .. hang on a second, let me write that all down before I forget. "Get .. generational talent .. QB." OK, thanks. Does anyone have Les Snead's email address? Eyeroll

This was never, let me say that again NEVER a question of whether McVay was a great or very good coach. It was about whether this is a rebuild or some word salad retooling, just tweaking the lineup, a few minor changes, a fresh look. We’ll be fine but let’s call it what it is, at least on the D side of the ball.

[PARAM]

This was never, let me say that again NEVER a question of whether McVay was a great or very good coach. It was about whether this is a rebuild or some word salad retooling, just tweaking the lineup, a few minor changes, a fresh look. We’ll be fine but let’s call it what it is, at least on the D side of the ball.

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[ramsww]

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From Rams Wire article today on Snead interview: Rams will get back to aggressive ways in 2024.

“This is a team that’s clearly in rebuild mode, no matter what Snead says. But the outlook in 2024 is much brighter.”

[PARAM]

From Rams Wire article today on Snead interview: Rams will get back to aggressive ways in 2024.

“This is a team that’s clearly in rebuild mode, no matter what Snead says. But the outlook in 2024 is much brighter.”

Okay. Ramswire calls it a rebuild. And you use that as proof it's a rebuild? Would it be wrong of me to think anything Ramswire/USA Today prints you believe is fact? Or is it just the stuff you agree with? How are you with Bleacher/Report? They say the Rams might trade Aaron Donald to the Eagles if the season heads south. How about Downtown Rams and Jake E? Think he's got the inside scoop on the Rams? Hell you might as well quote somebody from ROD or The Original Herd and call it fact. Or RFU. Everybody has an opinion. Even the pseudo "inside" sites. But I wouldn't use any of them as basis in fact. Obviously, you don't have a problem with it.

And I'll ask you the same thing I asked on another site. If it's a "rebuild" obviously it's not yet complete. And the season hasn't played out and won't for 5 months. Presented with those facts ( they're not opinions) how can anyone objectively say, "the outlook in 2024 is much brighter"? Based on what? For example, how's the outlook if AD retires (or god forbid, does get traded), Stafford is severely injured and McVay says, "fuck it, I'm outta here". How's that outlook? Want something a bit more realistic? How about AD and Stafford aren't the same guys they were 2 years ago, Durant is a flop, Avila gets injured and Cam Akers is allowed to walk. How's that outlook in 2024?

Fact: Nobody knows.

And perhaps I'm taking "rebuild" a little too seriously. When I think of rebuild, I think of 5-12 or 6-11 and not much enjoyment. I don't think a rebuild is change a ton of players and challenge for the Superbowl. If that's the kind of rebuild you're talking about, okay, I'm fine with calling it a rebuild. Reality is, the folks calling it a rebuild are expecting 5-12 or 6-11.

So, in response to your thread title...you thought wrong. Not all of us are past "retooling". Even if, as you say, "Aaron Donald was blindsided".

[rams74]

Reality is, the folks calling it a rebuild are expecting 5-12 or 6-11.

I disagree, at least partially. Some of the folks calling it a rebuild want 0-17: Tanking for Caleb.

How absurd.

[ramsww]

Okay. Ramswire calls it a rebuild. And you use that as proof it's a rebuild? Would it be wrong of me to think anything Ramswire/USA Today prints you believe is fact? Or is it just the stuff you agree with? How are you with Bleacher/Report? They say the Rams might trade Aaron Donald to the Eagles if the season heads south. How about Downtown Rams and Jake E? Think he's got the inside scoop on the Rams? Hell you might as well quote somebody from ROD or The Original Herd and call it fact. Or RFU. Everybody has an opinion. Even the pseudo "inside" sites. But I wouldn't use any of them as basis in fact. Obviously, you don't have a problem with it.

And I'll ask you the same thing I asked on another site. If it's a "rebuild" obviously it's not yet complete. And the season hasn't played out and won't for 5 months. Presented with those facts ( they're not opinions) how can anyone objectively say, "the outlook in 2024 is much brighter"? Based on what? For example, how's the outlook if AD retires (or god forbid, does get traded), Stafford is severely injured and McVay says, "fuck it, I'm outta here". How's that outlook? Want something a bit more realistic? How about AD and Stafford aren't the same guys they were 2 years ago, Durant is a flop, Avila gets injured and Cam Akers is allowed to walk. How's that outlook in 2024?

Fact: Nobody knows.

And perhaps I'm taking "rebuild" a little too seriously. When I think of rebuild, I think of 5-12 or 6-11 and not much enjoyment. I don't think a rebuild is change a ton of players and challenge for the Superbowl. If that's the kind of rebuild you're talking about, okay, I'm fine with calling it a rebuild. Reality is, the folks calling it a rebuild are expecting 5-12 or 6-11.

So, in response to your thread title...you thought wrong. Not all of us are past "retooling". Even if, as you say, "Aaron Donald was blindsided".

I merely added another opinion from Rams Wire. We can all speculate and my speculation is, Snead & McVay truly believe they can rebuild this in ONE YEAR. Why else would Snead let it be known he doesn’t expect much this year but plans to return to their aggressive ways in 2024? I think Stafford and Kupp will stick around. AD? Not so much and I can’t see any trade with what he’s already said about his retirement time table. For some reason “rebuild” puts a burr under your arse and I think that’s something you’ll have to deal with. My post was rhetorical….not wrong.