[/zn/]

Not disagreeing with your premise, but I like the idea of trading down and hopefully getting a high 2nd rounder and either a low 2nd rounder or a high 3rd rounder with our 1st rounder. Then take an OT with the high 2nd rounder and still have 2 more picks on 2nd day.

I wouldn't be outraged by that.

[/zn/]

Sorry, new to the board. Forgot to hit the quote button. I was replying to zn on his statement saying you can't find a starting OT after rd. 2.

Which isn't what I said.

I said they are remarkably rare. In fact I did the numbers on 2006-2015 and there were 4 out of 122 drafted that made it as viable starting LOTs. 4 out of 122? That's a hit rate of just over 3%.

So I did in fact provide the facts and you didn't read the posts right.

/zn/
3 days ago

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...as a rule you do not get starting caliber LOTs after round 2. I even looked this up. I looked at OTs taken in round 3 and after from 2006-2015 (ie. a decade). 122 OTs were drafted and of those 4 became viable NFL starting LOTs. That's 4 in a decade or just over 3%. As a rule good LOTs are 1st and 2nd rounders.

[dieterbrock]

Which isn't what I said.

I said they are remarkably rare. In fact I did the numbers on 2006-2015 and there were 4 out of 122 drafted that made it as viable starting LOTs. 4 out of 122? That's a hit rate of just over 3%.

So I did in fact provide the facts and you didn't read the posts right.

10 of 32 starters were not 1st or 2nd rounders

[R4L]

Martinas Rankin OT Mississippi State.

I really like this player. He would be a perfect fit for our team.

I hate when my team takes OL in the first round. I think defense is a bigger priority and they will draft a few OL later on to develop.

[/zn/]

I hate when my team takes OL in the first round. I think defense is a bigger priority and they will draft a few OL later on to develop.

As I showed, if you want a left OT, the odds of finding one from lower rounds to develop are really not good.

[Legends]

I realize that this thread is turning more toward the draft. However, I still would like to make my point about free agency being a good try for a left tackle. We have a pro-scouting department (unless they have disbanded it).That means we have other team's practice squads and and fringe players thoroughly scouted. We know more about players like this than we do about college players. Now I realize this isn't a sure thing, but it seems to me a better option than taking a stab at a college player. As I said before offensive linemen has been kind of a nemesis for our college scouting department.

[/zn/]

I realize that this thread is turning more toward the draft. However, I still would like to make my point about free agency being a good try for a left tackle. We have a pro-scouting department (unless they have disbanded it).That means we have other team's practice squads and and fringe players thoroughly scouted. We know more about players like this than we do about college players. Now I realize this isn't a sure thing, but it seems to me a better option than taking a stab at a college player. As I said before offensive linemen has been kind of a nemesis for our college scouting department.

The rules of thumb on LOTs come into play here too. Remember the vast majority of at least decent (or better) LOTs come in rounds 1 or 2 of the draft. Good LOTs are just not common so teams rarely have 2 starting caliber players on the roster (1 playing, 1 behind him or playing ROT). The low numbers of guys who can play LOT at a decent level just don't allow that.

So there aren't going to be that many around on practice squads etc. Plus since they mostly come from rounds 1 and 2, every team pretty much knows who they are throughout the league.

Good LOTs are both fairly rare and very necessary to having a good line. Therefore as a rule teams don't let them go in free agency. The Rams were lucky that the Bengals thought both that Whitworth was too old to pay him LOT money AND that they had his replacement (they were wrong on both counts).

So as a rule you don't pick up a surprise LOT from someone else's practice squad, you don't generally find them after round 2 in the draft, and you generally don't find them in free agency.

If you go around the league and look at OLs and ask where did they get their left OT, the vast majority of the time, the answer is they drafted them in rounds 1 or 2 and then when it was time signed them to new contracts and kept them.

It's a completely different story with guards and even with right OTs, but, that's the way it works with LOTs.

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[JackPMiller]

I hate when my team takes OL in the first round. I think defense is a bigger priority and they will draft a few OL later on to develop.

You can draft LOT in the 1st round, but as long as you start drafting defense in the later rounds. Say round 3, we draft Kendrick Norton NT Miami(FL).

One sleeper I like is Dion Jackson 3/4 OLB Jacksonville State. I got him in the 5th round.

[dieterbrock]

As I showed, if you want a left OT, the odds of finding one from lower rounds to develop are really not good.

As you keep ignoring, 10 of 32 starters not from 1st or 2nd round

[JackPMiller]

As you keep ignoring, 10 of 32 starters not from 1st or 2nd round

Of those 10 starters, how many of those guys were drafted by that team?