[SWAdude]

Oh boy, here I go. I really don't want to throw a grenade in the room but.....

I think under other circumstances, we would have cut Goff with this anemic performance against twos and threes.

Am I the only one that feels the future looks pretty dim right now. I really don't think this is a Fisher thing.

There is a bit of a Cinderella hope thing going around right now.

[majik]

It is a Fisher thing. In fact I don't know why we are all surprised at the way things played out. He had Aaron Donald on limited snaps for the first month of his rookie season. Rookies start camp behind the eight-ball in deference to veterans. Goff should have been working with the 1s and playing with the 1s in preseason. It's freaking preseason. If he wasn't ready Keenum is a career backup used to getting himself ready to jump in at moment's notice and getting reps with backups.

[Tom, With Horns]

Oh boy, here I go. I really don't want to throw a grenade in the room but.....

I think under other circumstances, we would have cut Goff with this anemic performance against twos and threes.

Am I the only one that feels the future looks pretty dim right now. I really don't think this is a Fisher thing.

There is a bit of a Cinderella hope thing going around right now.

No, I'm with you. I wanted to believe that Goff was good enough, but we all knew leading up to the draft that this was a weak crop of QB's. Bad time to trade up. I drank the kool-aid, but it sure looks right now that it was poison.

I hope I'm wrong. There's nothing I like better than being wrong.

[majik]

Goff has not been as bad as some make it out to be. He was plagued by drops and horrible protection from backup offensive linemen some of whom are going to be former Rams by the cutdown. The guy has the goods he just needs to be brought on slower than we would like. I know I posted it before but Google Peyton Manning's rookie stats. It's a process.

[SWAdude]

Oh boy, here I go. I really don't want to throw a grenade in the room but.....

I think under other circumstances, we would have cut Goff with this anemic performance against twos and threes.

Am I the only one that feels the future looks pretty dim right now. I really don't think this is a Fisher thing.

There is a bit of a Cinderella hope thing going around right now.

No, I'm with you. I wanted to believe that Goff was good enough, but we all knew leading up to the draft that this was a weak crop of QB's. Bad time to trade up. I drank the kool-aid, but it sure looks right now that it was poison.

I hope I'm wrong. There's nothing I like better than being wrong.

Yeah I remember that this years wasn't stellar in the QB department and next years even worse. But.......

I get the situations Fisher put him in wasn't what one would expect. The problems I am seeing have nothing to do with that. He was put in with equally skilled players in their positions. If Goff was as good as they say I would have expected him to appear more skilled than those around them.

I too hope I am wrong. The good news is I often am.

[TomSlick]

Don't worry about Goff. In the Bay Area, the local sports talking heads are very high on Goff and they wanted the Niners to grab him. I've seen and read a lot about Goff while he was a Cal. If he isn't ready then look to the coaching. Seriously, 3rd string for a number 1 pick...ridiculous. We gave up a lot of picks to get Goff. Goff isn't an idiot...the sun notwithstanding...he's a tough kid who took a bunch of whacks and bounced back up in college.

I think the bummer of the deal is that Goff will be running other team's offenses for our defense in practice. That won't be helping him learn our playbook.

[snackdaddy]

The season is coming up. Soon the games will start and the focus will be on the team, not so much Goff. If Goff sits all year there will be the usual complaints during the offseason. Some that Goff wasn't playing and he shoulda been. Some that Goff wasn't ready and they made that huge investment.

What people fail to see, is that the investment was for the next 10 or 15 years. If in 3 years Goff is starting and doing fine, next time a highly touted rookie struggles at the start, his supporters will be pointing to Goff as and example of some young QB's needing more time than others. I have a feeling if Goff was the day one starter right now, we'd see some rookie mistakes, but we'd also see some moments that remind us why he was drafted.

[moklerman]

The season is coming up. Soon the games will start and the focus will be on the team, not so much Goff. If Goff sits all year there will be the usual complaints during the offseason. Some that Goff wasn't playing and he shoulda been. Some that Goff wasn't ready and they made that huge investment.

What people fail to see, is that the investment was for the next 10 or 15 years. If in 3 years Goff is starting and doing fine, next time a highly touted rookie struggles at the start, his supporters will be pointing to Goff as and example of some young QB's needing more time than others. I have a feeling if Goff was the day one starter right now, we'd see some rookie mistakes, but we'd also see some moments that remind us why he was drafted.

This just isn't a realistic excuse for the way things were handled. Not in today's NFL and not with the relatively short rookie deals that these guys are on.

The way the league works RIGHT NOW, is that rookie QB's regularly get prepared to start right away and get that learning curve started. If Fisher chooses to sit Goff for 3 years like he did with McNair I don't know what I'll do with myself. It's a stupid approach in this day and age in general and specifically with this Rams team.

The reality is Goff is an EXPENSIVE, #1 overall pick and should have been treated that way. Instead, he was treated like Mr. Irrelevant and put in situations where he wasn't likely going to succeed. Instead of getting him as many reps as possible in live action, he was limited. Instead of getting him as many passing plays as possible when he actually was in the game, he was limited. Instead of putting him with the 1's and supporting him and helping him along, he was relegated to guys who just weren't that good.

Look at what Brady did the other day when he played the whole half with mostly scrubs. Didn't really look like Brady, did it? So, why should Goff look any good, gain any confidence or learn anything by throwing to guys who can't catch, probably aren't running the right routes and just aren't good enough to be in the NFL?

He is the future and the future should be now. He should be taking ALL the first team practice snaps so that he can be as ready as possible for the season. Protecting the 7-9 legacy and probably season that starting Keenum will bring isn't really something that anyone should care about. This offense, even without Goff, isn't good enough that they should be taking the preseason off, sitting players and not showing real plays. They sucked last year and have limited practice time to get up to speed. Play the real offense, let these guys gel and hopefully improve and deal with the other team's scouting just like they're going to have to do after week 1 anyway. Hiding and sitting these guys doesn't do shit.

It's ridiculous that anyone is acting like Goff isn't what he is. It's his job, he's the starter and he's the future. Treat him that way for God's sake. He's on a FOUR year contract for crying out loud!!! We're really talking about sitting him like McNair for 3 years?

[SWAdude]

moklerman makes some compelling points.

[aeneas1]

Oh boy, here I go. I really don't want to throw a grenade in the room but.....

I think under other circumstances, we would have cut Goff with this anemic performance against twos and threes.

Am I the only one that feels the future looks pretty dim right now. I really don't think this is a Fisher thing.

There is a bit of a Cinderella hope thing going around right now.

didn't goff drive 62 yards on 7 plays culminating in a rope to britt for a td when he last played with the 1s? didn't last season's pro-bowl rookie qb winston finish last season's preseason with a 52.7 qb rating? but goff sucks and the future is dim? really?