[AvengerRam]

Pressure is part of the NFL.
The first was frontside pressure.. maybe it's just me, but I think that he should have more awareness of that. But certainly NOT all his fault.
Second one? Bad read, all him.
Third? Bad luck a little... McVay screwing up a little.. but Goff has some responsibility to know what's going on. He should've called a time out.
The fumble? Of course that doesn't happen without pressure, and he still has to take care of the ball.

The pressure has been excessive. The point of noting this is not to absolve Goff. It’s just a reminder of why singling out a single player (even a QB) rarely tells the whole story.

[AvengerRam]

Goff has to see this pressure at 2:11, sorry.

That pressure should not happen. Sorry.

[AvengerRam]

Some fans take comfort in laying the blame at the feet of one player. It’s easier that way. It’s rarely the whole truth, but it’s simpler to process.

Goff made some bad plays, but he didn’t do it alone.

[SoCalRam78]

I didn’t want the rams to extend Goff until seeing him play this year. I was concerned after the super bowl and down the stretch when he struggled. They foolishly extended him early. Needing everything around him to be solid and an excellent running game isn’t a compliment for a QB. Lot of QBs can make throws in that scenario. He’s a solid QB. He’s not a guy who is going to put the team on his back. I guess even a solid QB is worth paying.

I will say something tho. McVay is doing this guy zero favors. Your qb drops back 70 x in a game. He’s going to have multiple turnovers. Just a recipe for disaster.

For people who are referring to missed throws, it was the two to Everett and Cooks. But that’s nothing new. He misses open receivers like that 1-2 x a game.

[69RamFan]

Goff has to see this pressure at 2:11, sorry.

Goff is looking down field expecting his line to protect him...

I dont want a QB second guessing whether he is going to get hit or not....

That play was all on RHav,,,, RHav was having a tough time the whole game...

McVay should of notice that,,, and should of given him help with a TE...

Personally,,, I would of use some double TEs plays,,, for both the run and passing,,,

Change up the dynamics of the game... but hello, who am I to say so...

[aeneas1]

They held TB to a field goal? Tampa got the ball on their own 25 and the Rams held them to a field goal? They allowed TB to drive 67 yards and chew up over 5 and a half minutes of clock.

The defense gave up 7 scoring drives which TB gained 45 yards or more, had an additional drive of 45 yards that led to 0 points and allowed TB to score on an 8th scoring drive from the 9 yard line.
How that picture can be painted anything other than awful is beyond me.

here's the thing, teams usually lose when -3 in turnovers or worse, they are a woeful 182-2112-4 (.080) since 1978 when the leagie moved to a 16-game schedule.

but these teams also only averaged a meager 14.5 points per game, turnovers killed their chances at scoring.

but that wasn't the case with goff and the rams this weekend, despite his turnovers he led the offense to a whopping 34 offensive points, the defense tacked on another 6 to make it 40, but goff was the prob?

look, goff played below average, but his performance paled in comparison to the rams defense, and it wasn't even close imo.

moreover the notion that goff's turnovers were responsible for 28 tampa points is just silly imo.

when teams start drives inside their opponent's 10 yard line, as was the case on one of goff's turnovers, they score tds 67% of the time on average - the bucs scored a td on 1 play.

when teams start drives at the 50 or closer, as was the case with two of goff's turnovers (the bucs started at the 50 and the rams 47), they score tds 33% of the time on average - the bucs scored tds both times for a 100% average.

and when the bucs didn't start a drive after a rams turnover? they scored on 5 of 8 possessions - all told, the rams defense stopped the bucs from scoring on just 3 off 11 drives. but goff was the prob?

anyway, i'm not making excuses for goff, it wasn't a great day at the office, he has to take better care of the ball, but when your qb leads the offense to 34 points and your defense tacks another 6 on for good measure, and you come up short? it was a disaster of a day for the defense.

[moklerman]

Over and over...people are arguing against "Goff was THE problem" when NO ONE said it.

I don't see how there's any getting around 4 turnovers by the QB. And I'm really surprised that I'm surprised that people are finding anyone but Goff to hold responsible. I certainly don't understand the thought that because there was pressure it's less Goff's fault.

The QB has to protect the ball when he's under pressure. Isn't that the bottom line and a fair reason to criticize Goff?

[dieterbrock]

I have NEVER been a Goff basher.

So... that's TWO timeouts. Dude.. that's plenty of time.
Goff's consistently been turning the ball over this season. He's a problem.

Again... not sure why you can't admit to that.

I never said get rid of him, bench him... none of that nonsense. There's a PROBLEM.. he is a PROBLEM at the moment. It doesn't mean he won't fix it.

Well you are bashing Goff.
Spinning facts to support your theory is the classic bash move. 2:35 from own 25 with 1 time out is not plenty of time. That’s hogwash. At the same time you applaud the defense for holding Tampa to a FG. Absurd.
8 minutes to go, 45-40, Rams kick off with 3 time outs and momentum clearly in their favor.
They get the ball back 5 and a half minutes later, on their own 25, only 1 time out left and down 8. Oh sure, the defense did their job, Goff should just drive them the length of the field for their 8th scoring drive of the day and convert the 2 point conversion. Sure thing. Easy peasy.
Oline failed. Sack fumble game over.
The Goff basher says Goff is A problem. The Goff supporter (aka realist) says that turnovers are a problem, the team has to do better job protecting, Goff needs to protect the ball better.

[dieterbrock]

here's the thing, teams usually lose when -3 in turnovers - since the league moved to a 16-game schedule in 1978 teams are a woeful 182-2112-4 (.080) when -3 or worse.

but these teams also only averaged a meager 14.5 points per game, turnovers killed their chances at scoring.

but that wasn't the case with goff and the rams this weekend, despite his turnovers he led the offense to a whopping 33 offensive points, the defense tacked on another 7 to make it 40, but goff was the prob?

look, goff played below average, but his performance paled in comparison to the rams defense, and it wasn't even close imo.

moreover the notion that goff's turnovers were responsible for 28 tampa points is just silly imo.

when teams start drives inside their opponent's 10 yard line, as was the case on one of goff's turnovers, they score tds 67% of the time on average - the bucs scored a td on 1 play.

when teams start drives at the 50 or closer, as was the case with two of goff's turnovers (the bucs started at the 50 and the rams 47), they score tds 33% of the time on average - the bucs scored tds both times for a 100% average.

and when the bucs didn't start a drive after a rams turnover? they scored on 5 of 8 possessions - all told, the rams defense stopped the bucs from scoring on just 3 off 11 drives. but goff was the prob?

anyway, i'm not making excuses for goff, it wasn't a great day at the office, he has to take better care of the ball, but when your qb leads the offense to 33 points and your defense tacks another 7 on for good measure, and you come up short? it was a disaster of a day for the defense.

Semantics, but why did he only lead them to 33 points? He led them to 34. They missed a 2 point conversion, but that was after the pick 6 which doesn’t count in his scoring. And Tampa got the ball on their own 47, not the Rams 47.

As for the turnover situation, it wasn’t good. It was horrible to turn over 4 times. But his arm got hit on the first, it happens. He threw a pic on that awful 4th down play which was a turnover either way, by downs if incomplete or on his record when caught.

I know we are in agreement on this, just conversing details, but I do believe Goff’s effort is lost in the sauce here. Down 21, gets them back to down 7. Down 14, back to 8. Back down again by 18, gets them back in the game. He did a lot of great things in this game. Heck, Joe Montana is a folk hero for “the catch” play with Dwight Clark but people forget that Joe Cool had 4 turnovers in that game...
speaking of which, Goff’s 517 yards ties Brady for 8th highest total in single game. Rarified air there. Those 8 guys were 6-2. 5 of the 8 threw 2 or more picks, Esiason threw 4 and still won.
Crazy to think that had the strip sack not occurred, Goff had a legit shot at breaking the all time passing record which seemed unbreakable.
So basically, all Goff needed to do was to break Van Brocklin’s 554 and convert a 2 point successfully, just to tie the game up.
Doesn’t seem like asking too much

[PARAM]

speaking of which, Goff’s 517 yards ties Brady for 8th highest total in single game. Rarified air there. Those 8 guys were 6-2. 5 of the 8 threw 2 or more picks, Esiason threw 4 and still won.
Crazy to think that had the strip sack not occurred, Goff had a legit shot at breaking the all time passing record which seemed unbreakable.
So basically, all Goff needed to do was to break Van Brocklin’s 554 and convert a 2 point successfully, just to tie the game up.
Doesn’t seem like asking too much

Not only that but his 68 attempts tied for 3rd all time. The most is Bledsoe with 70 (11/8/94; a win). Second is Testaverde with 69 (12/24/00; a loss) and third is Goff (68), tied with Blanda (11/1/64; a loss) and Kitna (12/30/01; a win). So nobody had been asked to drop back and throw as many times as Goff in 18 years!!! Why? Because QBs typically aren't asked to do that for a variety of reasons. The kid took ANOTHER beating physically (which is one of those reasons) and he continues to show his toughness.