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The problem is those other businesses don’t operate like the NFL.

The NFL has a limited antitrust exemption and receives billions of dollars of taxpayer money to build their stadiums. Those businesses don’t and can do what they want.

If the NFL wants to give up its antitrust exemption and pay for all of its own stadiums then they can do whatever they damn well please. But as long as the league gets extra protection and direct public money they should play by a tighter set of rules.

Well there this...GM ordered to pay Ohio 28 million for closing plant.

However, I don't agree the Rams should pay St. Louis anything. They knew what they were getting into in 1995 and made a deal they couldn't deliver. Poor fans paying tons of money and then losing the team? I'd bet for the last 10 years there were very few fans who didn't sell many of their tickets to recoup some of that money. The city paying 22 mil to have plans for a stadium? They got rooked by whomever they paid for that.

[St. Loser Fan]

Well there this...GM ordered to pay Ohio 28 million for closing plant.

All of that was tax credits. Plus there are plenty of other example where a city, county and/or state will attract a factory by building roads, rail lines, bridges etc.

[Hacksaw]

None of that crap matters. Did the NFL harm StL monetarily on purpose? That should be the question. I wouldn't blame them if they did..

[St. Loser Fan]

None of that crap matters. Did the NFL harm StL monetarily on purpose? That should be the question.

Demoff might have when he suggested/demanded redesigns to the proposed stadium.

I wouldn't blame them if they did..

What did St. Louis Rams fans do to deserve it?

I’m sorry if we didn’t attend the games well enough during the worst decade in NFL history. I’m sorry the Edward Jones Dome wasn’t full during the 3-13, 2-14 and 1-15 consecutive seasons. Because if the Rams had stayed in LA and played the same way I’m sure the stadium would have been 100% full. I guess we did deserve to be shit upon.

Again. I agree with a lot of what you’re saying legally. But Stan shouldn’t get Rams park for $1. The Rams should pay for the second revisions.

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Demoff asking for revised plans to get St. Louis to provide their best possible offer is not fraud even if the Rams at that time were 99.9% LA-bound.

I am sure St. Louis would have sued if Demoff didn’t ask them for their best and final offer claiming they weren’t given a fair opportunity keep the Rams.

St. Louis should be suing the architectural firm that severely overcharged them for the revised plans

[St. Loser Fan]

Demoff asking for revised plans to get St. Louis to provide their best possible offer is not fraud even if the Rams at that time were 99.9% LA-bound.

I am sure St. Louis would have sued if Demoff didn’t ask them for their best and final offer claiming they weren’t given a fair opportunity keep the Rams.

St. Louis should be suing the architectural firm that severely overcharged them for the revised plans

I don’t think it was that. The story is the second ask from Demoff cost a couple million because he asked for the underground parking garage and moving the stadium up the hill a bit. I think the rush fee from Populus was only a couple hundred thousand for them to table all other work.

But if you think that’s our fault and that Demoff did a good job in asking for the redesign, I cant change your mind.

[jackburginjr]

With regards to the one mentioning the "Riverfront stadium" proposed by STL. Thing is it would not have ranked up there in the top 25 percent of NFL stadiums as the contract required. The proposed money for this new stadium was lower than the proposed remodel The Rams put forward. Look at the stadiums that have been built recently especially compared to SOFI Stadium, and the proposed stadium was a joke that STL political leaders put forward. At best it would have been a stadium fit for a college team but certainly not a NFL top tier stadium as required by the contract that STL out forward that lured The Rams to STL. Again Kroenke, and The Rams did nothing wrong, and they follwed the terms required. The lawsuit is a joke.

[St. Loser Fan]

A point they made this morning on St. Louis radio is that Kroenke and the NFL have already been in front of the US Supreme Court once and denied. You can't just keep going back to the Supreme Court over and over and over and over until you get a response you like. The law professor said that they need to go through trial once and then Kroenke and the NFL get a new ticket punched to work their way back through appeals.

[St. Loser Fan]

With regards to the one mentioning the "Riverfront stadium" proposed by STL. Thing is it would not have ranked up there in the top 25 percent of NFL stadiums as the contract required. The proposed money for this new stadium was lower than the proposed remodel The Rams put forward. Look at the stadiums that have been built recently especially compared to SOFI Stadium, and the proposed stadium was a joke that STL political leaders put forward. At best it would have been a stadium fit for a college team but certainly not a NFL top tier stadium as required by the contract that STL out forward that lured The Rams to STL. Again Kroenke, and The Rams did nothing wrong, and they follwed the terms required. The lawsuit is a joke.

You are right in that the North Riverfront stadium was a bit underwhelming. But I think part of that was because it was an open air stadium: which is what Demoff told us season ticket holders he wanted.

The sad part is though that with Sofi and Allegiant the new standard is a $2 billion to $5 billion retractable roof stadium. In 10 or 20 years will a great majority of NFL games be played on plastic under a roof? Will Levi's Stadium be the last open air one built in the NFL? Look at how everyone (rightly so) dumps on the stadium for being ugly.

Or will every city have to pony up a few billion dollars so that Buccaneers, Bengals, Bears, Bills, Titans, Broncos (and on) get their own Junior SoFi Stadiums?

[jackburginjr]

I dont think the Broncos will be trying to get a new stadium, their current one is nice, and not old. Far as the others well some either need a new one or a serious refurbishment done. However it was never said it has to be a stadium with a roof or retractable roof. Again The Rams put up a proposal to refurbish The Dome, and it would have still had a roof. Regardless of the open air design. That had nothing to do with it. Again I saw the proposed stadium, and what was proposed was a stadium for a college team, and not an NFL team. The proposed stadium would not have met the standard set down in the contract. So while Demoff may have said open air stadium is fine. The proposed stadium did not, and would not have met the standard put forward in the contract that the political leaders of STL put in their. The standard they failed to maintain. To the billions of dollars for stadiums. While some have used public funds for stadiums, there are teams that have paid for their own stadiums. yes that includes The Rams. While the NFL, and such helped to finance SOFI, the bottom line is Kroenke is paying for the stadium.