[St. Loser Fan]

Another hearing yesterday:
-Rams/NFL motion to dismiss denied
-as of right now Stan and the other key owners have until 9/28 to supply the financial information requested
-but they probably won't as the fines are only $1000/day per owner
-the request in front of the state Supreme Court is still pending
-a new request to dismiss the judge will probably also go to the state Supreme Court
-the only thing Stan's lawyers said is they take as much as they can to the US Supreme Court

[St. Loser Fan]

[BuiltRamTough]

Why is Florio surprised? Does anyone really care about this outside of St. Louis?

[Hacksaw]

This is preposterous..

[St. Loser Fan]

Why is Florio surprised? Does anyone really care about this outside of St. Louis?

-It could have a bearing on future possible moves. Buffalo and others.
-Cincinnati has a maintenance clause almost as dumb as St. Louis'
-Release of financials could cause ripples for league.
-I'd think Oakland and San Diego would have at least a minimal interest. Like driving slow past a car accident.

I'm not saying the rest of football world should be on this like it's a big story. But they don't even consider it a small story. It's like it doesn't even exist.

[majik]

A city has no legal right to an NFL franchise. If the contractual agreement binding the franchise to the city has expired, that NFL franchise has the right to relocate. Al Davis and the courts established that long ago.

NFL guidelines, protocols, rules are an agreement between the NFL and its franchises, which they can choose to follow or not.

At some point, a non-hometown judge will overrule this judge. If I were the NFL or its franchises, I would release nothing and file for an emergency injunction against this judge’s order to release its financials.

[Hacksaw]

-It could have a bearing on future possible moves. Buffalo and others.
-Cincinnati has a maintenance clause almost as dumb as St. Louis'
-Release of financials could cause ripples for league.
-I'd think Oakland and San Diego would have at least a minimal interest. Like driving slow past a car accident.

I'm not saying the rest of football world should be on this like it's a big story. But they don't even consider it a small story. It's like it doesn't even exist.

Until it does as Florio suggests. This whole suit misses the point and it only has legs because of the local judges (imo). Money grab? Pound of flesh? Vexatious litigation run amok?
I think the writing is on the wall with regard to the insignificance of the NFL guidelines. If these judges rule against the league somehow I look forward to the explanation of their ruling. If a ruling somehow creates a precedence, it may help other cities to hold on to their teams. If not it sets the opposite imo.

I still don't know what law was broken. A civil judgement could be possible if the Rams and the NFL are found guilty of purposely misleading StL into spending money they didn't want to. Again, local judges might consider doing that, but they would clearly not be taking into consideration the amount of money they didn't spend on the Rams / Transworld-EJD after they had agreed to.
iirc, much of what was spent was after the fact to try and block the Rams owner from doing with his team as he wanted. That was StL's decision to try to throw a stadium together and hire a bunch of lawyers. Snooze you lose.
Considering the fact that the Rams were given to StL against the NFL's desire further confounds the righteousness of all this. Not to mention, the stall tactic actually gave time for Spanos to throw his Charaider thing together. That cost everyone involved a ton of time and money too.

That said, I'm not all in for teams moving around the country. It's bad enough coaches and players do. Loyalty be damned. But the difference here was the Rams were actually relocating to the city the NFL never wanted them to vacate. If not for GF (don't get me started) and her lawsuits against the NFL owners to get her money grab, they might have never left.

I'm not a lawyer but this just doesn't smell kosher.

[majik]

And to piggyback onto what Hacksaw just said, what precedent would it establish for a business that is not a sports team that wants to relocate its headquarters or major plant? A city builds infrastructure to improve access to a business that moves a few years later. Let’s sue

[St. Loser Fan]

At some point, a non-hometown judge will overrule this judge. If I were the NFL or its franchises, I would release nothing and file for an emergency injunction against this judge’s order to release its financials.

That's why they've gone to the state Supreme Court. We need to wait and see what happens with that.

[St. Loser Fan]

And to piggyback onto what Hacksaw just said, what precedent would it establish for a business that is not a sports team that wants to relocate its headquarters or major plant? A city builds infrastructure to improve access to a business that moves a few years later. Let’s sue

The problem is those other businesses don’t operate like the NFL.

The NFL has a limited antitrust exemption and receives billions of dollars of taxpayer money to build their stadiums. Those businesses don’t and thus can do what they want.

If the NFL wants to give up its antitrust exemption and pay for all of its own stadiums then they can do whatever they damn well please. But as long as the league gets extra protection and direct public money they should play by a tighter set of rules.