by ramsman34 3 months 3 weeks ago Total posts: 9189 Joined: Apr 16 2015 Back in LA baby! Moderator Re: Stafford Wants More Guaranteed Money POST #61 Roster bonus can be anything I believe. But, they count against that season’s cap unless they are fully guaranteed. Then I think they can be spread out. Roster bonus guaranteed each season is a good way to go as Staff has to be healthy/on the roster to earn it giving the Rams some assurance they won’t be in dead money hell if he is not. Staff is probably going to want some form of guaranteed salary plus guaranteed roster bonus and maybe a smaller signing bonus that would spread out over the deal. I still think he ends up with a 4 year deal with the last 2 seasons controlled more by the Rams (roster bonuses); with Staff getting a nice bump to market value for guaranteed money in ‘24 & ‘25 and having a good chunk in the table to start ‘26 & ‘27 should he want to, is able to and the Rams want him there. The only issue going this route his how big the cap hit would be each year as almost everything would be guaranteed $$. Just my gut feel. by PARAM 3 months 3 weeks ago Total posts: 12460 Joined: Jul 15 2015 Just far enough North of Philadelphia Hall of Fame Stafford Wants More Guaranteed Money POST #62 /zn/, ramsman34 liked this post ramsman34 wrote:Roster bonus can be anything I believe. But, they count against that season’s cap unless they are fully guaranteed. Then I think they can be spread out. Roster bonus guaranteed each season is a good way to go as Staff has to be healthy/on the roster to earn it giving the Rams some assurance they won’t be in dead money hell if he is not. Staff is probably going to want some form of guaranteed salary plus guaranteed roster bonus and maybe a smaller signing bonus that would spread out over the deal. I still think he ends up with a 4 year deal with the last 2 seasons controlled more by the Rams (roster bonuses); with Staff getting a nice bump to market value for guaranteed money in ‘24 & ‘25 and having a good chunk in the table to start ‘26 & ‘27 should he want to, is able to and the Rams want him there. The only issue going this route his how big the cap hit would be each year as almost everything would be guaranteed $$. Just my gut feel.The common "bitch" with giving Stafford more money is two-fold. "He's always injured" and "He's 35....how many more years does he have?" A check of the first claim shows over the last 4 years, he's missed 8 games due to injury and played 15 games or more 3 times. A check of the second claim requires checking other QBs who've retired to see how long they played. The 10 QBs ahead of him in career passing yards all played until their late 30's or more. Brady - 45Brees - 41P.Manning - 39Favre - 41Ben R - 39Rivers - 39Ryan - 37Marino - 38A Rod - 41Eli -38If you take out the high (Brady 45) and the low Ryan (37) you get an average of 39.5. And a couple of them were injured as much as, or more than Stafford. Favre (played through most of it like #9), P. Manning, Marino, Brees, etc. Stafford is going into his age 36 year so I would bet he's got at least 3 years to play, maybe 4. Maybe more. The guy right behind him, Elway, played through age 38 and retired after two consecutive Lombardis. I think that could be a factor in Stafford retiring prior to age 39 or 40. I'll take that. Been following the horns since the Coliseum had a Roman playing there. McVay: 77-49, 2 Superbowls, 1 Lombardi............Doubt at your own peril 2 by Elvis 3 months 3 weeks ago Total posts: 39663 Joined: Mar 28 2015 Los Angeles Administrator Re: Stafford Wants More Guaranteed Money POST #63 TOPIC AUTHOR ramsman34, PARAM liked this post Yep. Stafford is far from injury prone. In fact he's been durable and a real warrior.He's old but so what? That works in the Rams favor. He doesn't want a huge longterm contract, just more guaranteed for a couple years.That seems eminently doable to me. We're not talking about 10 years with huge guarantees, only maybe 2 more. Even if Stafford does get hurt and can't play anymore, how much have the Rams really squandered? How much have they hurt themselves? Not that much... RFU Season Ticket Holder 2 by PARAM 3 months 3 weeks ago Total posts: 12460 Joined: Jul 15 2015 Just far enough North of Philadelphia Hall of Fame Stafford Wants More Guaranteed Money POST #64 Elvis liked this post Elvis wrote:Even if Stafford does get hurt and can't play anymore, how much have the Rams really squandered? How much have they hurt themselves? Not that much...Like you've said many times, dead money is over rated (over stressed, over emphasized, over whatever). Been following the horns since the Coliseum had a Roman playing there. McVay: 77-49, 2 Superbowls, 1 Lombardi............Doubt at your own peril 1 by snackdaddy 3 months 3 weeks ago Total posts: 9830 Joined: May 30 2015 Merced California Hall of Fame Stafford Wants More Guaranteed Money POST #65 Elvis, PARAM liked this post Elvis wrote:Yep. Stafford is far from injury prone. In fact he's been durable and a real warrior.Yup. This "Stafford is injury prone" is a short sighted take. And lazy if you ask me. I believe if they were in contention in 2022 he would have played. I also believe Donald would have been playing. And Kupp would probably be there for the playoffs. But it was a lost season so there was no point. Shut them down and reset for the next season is what they did. 2 by Elvis 3 months 3 weeks ago Total posts: 39663 Joined: Mar 28 2015 Los Angeles Administrator Stafford Wants More Guaranteed Money POST #66 TOPIC AUTHOR PARAM liked this post PARAM wrote:Like you've said many times, dead money is over rated (over stressed, over emphasized, over whatever).And in this case, we're only talking a couple years, not big long term contract like with Goff, Gurley, Cooks, etc... RFU Season Ticket Holder 1 Reply 7 / 7 1 7 Display: All posts1 day7 days2 weeks1 month3 months6 months1 year Sort by: AuthorPost timeSubject Sort by: AscendingDescending Jump to: Forum Rams/NFL Other Sports Rams Fans United Q&A's Board Business 66 posts Oct 18 2024
by PARAM 3 months 3 weeks ago Total posts: 12460 Joined: Jul 15 2015 Just far enough North of Philadelphia Hall of Fame Stafford Wants More Guaranteed Money POST #62 /zn/, ramsman34 liked this post ramsman34 wrote:Roster bonus can be anything I believe. But, they count against that season’s cap unless they are fully guaranteed. Then I think they can be spread out. Roster bonus guaranteed each season is a good way to go as Staff has to be healthy/on the roster to earn it giving the Rams some assurance they won’t be in dead money hell if he is not. Staff is probably going to want some form of guaranteed salary plus guaranteed roster bonus and maybe a smaller signing bonus that would spread out over the deal. I still think he ends up with a 4 year deal with the last 2 seasons controlled more by the Rams (roster bonuses); with Staff getting a nice bump to market value for guaranteed money in ‘24 & ‘25 and having a good chunk in the table to start ‘26 & ‘27 should he want to, is able to and the Rams want him there. The only issue going this route his how big the cap hit would be each year as almost everything would be guaranteed $$. Just my gut feel.The common "bitch" with giving Stafford more money is two-fold. "He's always injured" and "He's 35....how many more years does he have?" A check of the first claim shows over the last 4 years, he's missed 8 games due to injury and played 15 games or more 3 times. A check of the second claim requires checking other QBs who've retired to see how long they played. The 10 QBs ahead of him in career passing yards all played until their late 30's or more. Brady - 45Brees - 41P.Manning - 39Favre - 41Ben R - 39Rivers - 39Ryan - 37Marino - 38A Rod - 41Eli -38If you take out the high (Brady 45) and the low Ryan (37) you get an average of 39.5. And a couple of them were injured as much as, or more than Stafford. Favre (played through most of it like #9), P. Manning, Marino, Brees, etc. Stafford is going into his age 36 year so I would bet he's got at least 3 years to play, maybe 4. Maybe more. The guy right behind him, Elway, played through age 38 and retired after two consecutive Lombardis. I think that could be a factor in Stafford retiring prior to age 39 or 40. I'll take that. Been following the horns since the Coliseum had a Roman playing there. McVay: 77-49, 2 Superbowls, 1 Lombardi............Doubt at your own peril 2 by Elvis 3 months 3 weeks ago Total posts: 39663 Joined: Mar 28 2015 Los Angeles Administrator Re: Stafford Wants More Guaranteed Money POST #63 TOPIC AUTHOR ramsman34, PARAM liked this post Yep. Stafford is far from injury prone. In fact he's been durable and a real warrior.He's old but so what? That works in the Rams favor. He doesn't want a huge longterm contract, just more guaranteed for a couple years.That seems eminently doable to me. We're not talking about 10 years with huge guarantees, only maybe 2 more. Even if Stafford does get hurt and can't play anymore, how much have the Rams really squandered? How much have they hurt themselves? Not that much... RFU Season Ticket Holder 2 by PARAM 3 months 3 weeks ago Total posts: 12460 Joined: Jul 15 2015 Just far enough North of Philadelphia Hall of Fame Stafford Wants More Guaranteed Money POST #64 Elvis liked this post Elvis wrote:Even if Stafford does get hurt and can't play anymore, how much have the Rams really squandered? How much have they hurt themselves? Not that much...Like you've said many times, dead money is over rated (over stressed, over emphasized, over whatever). Been following the horns since the Coliseum had a Roman playing there. McVay: 77-49, 2 Superbowls, 1 Lombardi............Doubt at your own peril 1 by snackdaddy 3 months 3 weeks ago Total posts: 9830 Joined: May 30 2015 Merced California Hall of Fame Stafford Wants More Guaranteed Money POST #65 Elvis, PARAM liked this post Elvis wrote:Yep. Stafford is far from injury prone. In fact he's been durable and a real warrior.Yup. This "Stafford is injury prone" is a short sighted take. And lazy if you ask me. I believe if they were in contention in 2022 he would have played. I also believe Donald would have been playing. And Kupp would probably be there for the playoffs. But it was a lost season so there was no point. Shut them down and reset for the next season is what they did. 2 by Elvis 3 months 3 weeks ago Total posts: 39663 Joined: Mar 28 2015 Los Angeles Administrator Stafford Wants More Guaranteed Money POST #66 TOPIC AUTHOR PARAM liked this post PARAM wrote:Like you've said many times, dead money is over rated (over stressed, over emphasized, over whatever).And in this case, we're only talking a couple years, not big long term contract like with Goff, Gurley, Cooks, etc... RFU Season Ticket Holder 1 Reply 7 / 7 1 7 Display: All posts1 day7 days2 weeks1 month3 months6 months1 year Sort by: AuthorPost timeSubject Sort by: AscendingDescending Jump to: Forum Rams/NFL Other Sports Rams Fans United Q&A's Board Business 66 posts Oct 18 2024
by Elvis 3 months 3 weeks ago Total posts: 39663 Joined: Mar 28 2015 Los Angeles Administrator Re: Stafford Wants More Guaranteed Money POST #63 TOPIC AUTHOR ramsman34, PARAM liked this post Yep. Stafford is far from injury prone. In fact he's been durable and a real warrior.He's old but so what? That works in the Rams favor. He doesn't want a huge longterm contract, just more guaranteed for a couple years.That seems eminently doable to me. We're not talking about 10 years with huge guarantees, only maybe 2 more. Even if Stafford does get hurt and can't play anymore, how much have the Rams really squandered? How much have they hurt themselves? Not that much... RFU Season Ticket Holder 2 by PARAM 3 months 3 weeks ago Total posts: 12460 Joined: Jul 15 2015 Just far enough North of Philadelphia Hall of Fame Stafford Wants More Guaranteed Money POST #64 Elvis liked this post Elvis wrote:Even if Stafford does get hurt and can't play anymore, how much have the Rams really squandered? How much have they hurt themselves? Not that much...Like you've said many times, dead money is over rated (over stressed, over emphasized, over whatever). Been following the horns since the Coliseum had a Roman playing there. McVay: 77-49, 2 Superbowls, 1 Lombardi............Doubt at your own peril 1 by snackdaddy 3 months 3 weeks ago Total posts: 9830 Joined: May 30 2015 Merced California Hall of Fame Stafford Wants More Guaranteed Money POST #65 Elvis, PARAM liked this post Elvis wrote:Yep. Stafford is far from injury prone. In fact he's been durable and a real warrior.Yup. This "Stafford is injury prone" is a short sighted take. And lazy if you ask me. I believe if they were in contention in 2022 he would have played. I also believe Donald would have been playing. And Kupp would probably be there for the playoffs. But it was a lost season so there was no point. Shut them down and reset for the next season is what they did. 2 by Elvis 3 months 3 weeks ago Total posts: 39663 Joined: Mar 28 2015 Los Angeles Administrator Stafford Wants More Guaranteed Money POST #66 TOPIC AUTHOR PARAM liked this post PARAM wrote:Like you've said many times, dead money is over rated (over stressed, over emphasized, over whatever).And in this case, we're only talking a couple years, not big long term contract like with Goff, Gurley, Cooks, etc... RFU Season Ticket Holder 1 Reply 7 / 7 1 7 Display: All posts1 day7 days2 weeks1 month3 months6 months1 year Sort by: AuthorPost timeSubject Sort by: AscendingDescending Jump to: Forum Rams/NFL Other Sports Rams Fans United Q&A's Board Business 66 posts Oct 18 2024
by PARAM 3 months 3 weeks ago Total posts: 12460 Joined: Jul 15 2015 Just far enough North of Philadelphia Hall of Fame Stafford Wants More Guaranteed Money POST #64 Elvis liked this post Elvis wrote:Even if Stafford does get hurt and can't play anymore, how much have the Rams really squandered? How much have they hurt themselves? Not that much...Like you've said many times, dead money is over rated (over stressed, over emphasized, over whatever). Been following the horns since the Coliseum had a Roman playing there. McVay: 77-49, 2 Superbowls, 1 Lombardi............Doubt at your own peril 1 by snackdaddy 3 months 3 weeks ago Total posts: 9830 Joined: May 30 2015 Merced California Hall of Fame Stafford Wants More Guaranteed Money POST #65 Elvis, PARAM liked this post Elvis wrote:Yep. Stafford is far from injury prone. In fact he's been durable and a real warrior.Yup. This "Stafford is injury prone" is a short sighted take. And lazy if you ask me. I believe if they were in contention in 2022 he would have played. I also believe Donald would have been playing. And Kupp would probably be there for the playoffs. But it was a lost season so there was no point. Shut them down and reset for the next season is what they did. 2 by Elvis 3 months 3 weeks ago Total posts: 39663 Joined: Mar 28 2015 Los Angeles Administrator Stafford Wants More Guaranteed Money POST #66 TOPIC AUTHOR PARAM liked this post PARAM wrote:Like you've said many times, dead money is over rated (over stressed, over emphasized, over whatever).And in this case, we're only talking a couple years, not big long term contract like with Goff, Gurley, Cooks, etc... RFU Season Ticket Holder 1 Reply 7 / 7 1 7 Display: All posts1 day7 days2 weeks1 month3 months6 months1 year Sort by: AuthorPost timeSubject Sort by: AscendingDescending Jump to: Forum Rams/NFL Other Sports Rams Fans United Q&A's Board Business 66 posts Oct 18 2024
by snackdaddy 3 months 3 weeks ago Total posts: 9830 Joined: May 30 2015 Merced California Hall of Fame Stafford Wants More Guaranteed Money POST #65 Elvis, PARAM liked this post Elvis wrote:Yep. Stafford is far from injury prone. In fact he's been durable and a real warrior.Yup. This "Stafford is injury prone" is a short sighted take. And lazy if you ask me. I believe if they were in contention in 2022 he would have played. I also believe Donald would have been playing. And Kupp would probably be there for the playoffs. But it was a lost season so there was no point. Shut them down and reset for the next season is what they did. 2 by Elvis 3 months 3 weeks ago Total posts: 39663 Joined: Mar 28 2015 Los Angeles Administrator Stafford Wants More Guaranteed Money POST #66 TOPIC AUTHOR PARAM liked this post PARAM wrote:Like you've said many times, dead money is over rated (over stressed, over emphasized, over whatever).And in this case, we're only talking a couple years, not big long term contract like with Goff, Gurley, Cooks, etc... RFU Season Ticket Holder 1 Reply 7 / 7 1 7 Display: All posts1 day7 days2 weeks1 month3 months6 months1 year Sort by: AuthorPost timeSubject Sort by: AscendingDescending Jump to: Forum Rams/NFL Other Sports Rams Fans United Q&A's Board Business 66 posts Oct 18 2024
by Elvis 3 months 3 weeks ago Total posts: 39663 Joined: Mar 28 2015 Los Angeles Administrator Stafford Wants More Guaranteed Money POST #66 TOPIC AUTHOR PARAM liked this post PARAM wrote:Like you've said many times, dead money is over rated (over stressed, over emphasized, over whatever).And in this case, we're only talking a couple years, not big long term contract like with Goff, Gurley, Cooks, etc... RFU Season Ticket Holder 1 Reply 7 / 7 1 7 Display: All posts1 day7 days2 weeks1 month3 months6 months1 year Sort by: AuthorPost timeSubject Sort by: AscendingDescending Jump to: Forum Rams/NFL Other Sports Rams Fans United Q&A's Board Business