[Horny Mcbae]

Taking care of the ball is *the* problem.

It’s literally the difference between winning and losing in the vast majority of games.
Take 1 TO away & maybe it’s an OT game.
Take 2 away and you might win.

The game is weird... sometimes it’s high scoring.. sometimes it’s not.

Taking care of the ball is something you can be consistent with that makes a true difference.

And Goff’s been good at that for while. That was one of his strengths when compared to Wentz’ MVP level year. He’s good at not turning it over until he isn’t anymore. I don’t get the point A1 is repeatedly trying to make. Does he think Goff had a good game, simple as that. What’s the point of comparing his output to Brady’s or whoever on one Sunday.

Goff’s cap hit next season is going to be 31M. Let that sink in. Higher salary means higher expectations. Means slimmer margin of error. Lots of Rams fans need to stop treating him as a sacred cow. He had a bad game, he will get criticism. The defense had an awful game. They will get criticism. And these are things we thought he had improved on. It’s frustration to see him take a step back when progress was so hard anyway.

Goff is a tough mofo. He never quit and kept bringing us back. It’s not all on Goff but a lot of it is.

[/zn/]

Coming from Chris Simms, not sure how to take that one...

Sometimes it has nothing to do with who said it. As in, no one is ever 100% wrong all the time or 100% right all the time. Sometimes, it's whether the argument holds up.

As a matter of fact...I think the argument he made in this case is right in a lot of ways. I usually don;t agree with the guy but then there's that never 100% thing.

[BobCarl]

When he has to win games the team is in trouble.

"Doom and Gloom" isn't in my mind ... at least NOT at this point in time.

I argued against the Fisher apologists (ZN was one of them) long long before Fish was canned.

I questioned trading six draft picks to get Goff ... but before that draft, I rated Goff over Wentz, and I said it then that Goff is better than Derek Carr. I still believe that.

It would have been nice to have those former six draft picks back to invest on the O-Line ... as it seems that time has run out on the free-agent $$ spent on Whitworth.

But all of the above is "ain't no nevermind" ... it is what it is.

So what is the problem with Goff? He doesn't seem to play the "dink and dunk" Rich Gannon type game very well. He isn't elite when it comes to broken plays like Favre, Mahomes, or Kurt Warner were. He doesn't have a Derek Carr release time of 2.5 seconds.

But he is ELITE on 20-yrd downfield passes. The problem is that it often takes more than 2.5 seconds for a downfield route to be run. Even a WR with 4.3 forty speed has difficulty running 20 yards in 2.5 seconds.

System QB you say? (ignorant sports writers say) But a QB like Goff needs a system built around him ... and NOT him being plugged into a "peaked HC's system" Snead and McVay have the right type of WR's necessary to exploit Goff's strengths. Sadly we need an O-line that will give him 3.0 seconds or more.

The "double A-gap" threat at this point is Goff's worst nightmare.... forces the O-line to block mano-y-mano.

Goff with a shitty O-line = makes me shyte my pants
Goff with solid O-line and speedy receivers = ELITE

McVay is an offensive CHOREOGRAPHER, one of the best ever. McVay has not shown himself to be a great FIELD MARSHAL. A great coach has to know when and how to step from one role into the other. I have total confidence that McVay will figure this out. He is young, isn't he?

I'm not ready to give up on Goff or McVay ... rather i agree with @CanuckRightWinger the O-line is the weakness.

I was never a great fan of the Rock Group called The Who .... but a couple of their songs are playing in my head right now:

Pinball Wizard: Goff is a Pinball Wizard he lights up the scoreboard ... Imagine if Roger Daltry sang a song about Goff?

McVay? "Won't get Fooled Again

Snead? Snead asks every NFL prospect: Who are you?

Go Rams!

[dieterbrock]

Sure they did. They scored a TD and held Bucs to a field goal.
Goff had the ball in his hands with a chance to tie.

They held TB to a field goal? Tampa got the ball on their own 25 and the Rams held them to a field goal? They allowed TB to drive 67 yards and chew up over 5 and a half minutes of clock.

The defense gave up 7 scoring drives which TB gained 45 yards or more, had an additional drive of 45 yards that led to 0 points and allowed TB to score on an 8th scoring drive from the 9 yard line.
How that picture can be painted anything other than awful is beyond me.

[AvengerRam]

Did the Rams get the ball with the chance to tie with plenty of time or not?

Who's saying the defense was good?
The defense not being good doesn't change the fact that Goff wasn't either or that Goff is a problem.
He's a turnover machine this year. I guess you don't see that as a problem.

Goff turned the ball over 4 times. 1 was fully in him. The other 3 were due, in large part, to protection breakdowns.

[PARAM]

The defense however kept putting the Rams back in the hole

The defense absolutely sucked yesterday. They couldn't stop anything. Tampa had 2 punts in their first 5 possessions and never again the rest of the game.

[dieterbrock]

Did the Rams get the ball with the chance to tie with plenty of time or not?

Who's saying the defense was good?
The defense not being good doesn't change the fact that Goff wasn't either or that Goff is a problem.
He's a turnover machine this year. I guess you don't see that as a problem.

Plenty of time? No. 2:35 is not plenty of time. They could have had plenty of time had the defense not allowed TB to chew it up.
I see the o-line causing 2 possibly 3 of the turnovers by allowing him to get hit. Yes that’s a problem. I saw an int on a 4th down play that got blown up, so TB was getting the ball whether it was INT or INC. Turnovers aren’t good, but not all turnovers are the same. His 2nd pick which gave the ball to TB ultimately at the 9 was all on him.
You can win a game with 4 turnovers if you score 34 points.
Not sure how many games teams won by giving up 48 points and 8 scoring drives.

[/zn/]

Pressure is part of the NFL.

I would say no, pressure to THAT extent is not a regular part of the NFL. And when you do get pressure TO THAT EXTENT or near it (on a team that has to pass against a good pass rushing D because it is down multiple scores), you can almost invariably count on the qb making mistakes.

To me the surprising and heartening thing was how well they did (given the circumstances) trying to come back . Goff last year, in his handful ofg"off" games after the bye, was not quite that guy yet (though we saw some of that against New Orleans last year.)

[dieterbrock]

It's plenty of time, they had time outs.
The last offensive possessions in last two games have ended in Goff turnovers.
Short fields don't help, sorry.
Not sure why you can't acknowledge his trend of turning the ball over and the reality that it's a problem and it's a problem *he*has.
You know I'm no Goff basher.

Yes you are being a Goff basher. You are saying he is a problem. Not saying his turnovers are a problem but that he is.
What short fields? The defense gave up 8 drives over 45 yards. 4 scoring drives over 60 yards.
1 short drive. 9 yards
1
And 1 time out at 2:35 mark.
The defense sucked. The oline sucked. And Goff had a couple bad plays.
Of course he dropped back to pass 70 times and was trailing by double digits all night while facing tons of pressure

[69RamFan]

I've read some of these posts,,,,

I must be seeing something different than others...

Was there four TO,,, yes,,,

Who cause those TO's,,, three by the O-line... IMO
and the other was on Goff....

The first TO,,, he was hit, as he was throwing the ball, cause by the Rt side of the O-line brake down...

The Second, was Goff's fault,,, he just didn't see the LB moving back...

The third, a blitz was coming in fast and he had to get rid of it. or just take a hard hit if he didnt throw it with a sack and possible fumble it again if he didn't try to pass it.... I blame that on the Oline, we didn't have no RB to cover the blitz.... they had all five skill players going out for a pass, and I saw six D guys up on the line... I was saying, what are they thinking...
plus why didnt McVay go for a FG?

The Fumble at the end, he could of tuck it back in, but he was trying to make a play looking down field... and the OL couldn't protect him from the right side...

Then I see some posters stating that he missed two open WRs,,,

I only viewed half the tape,,, the first missed, I viewed,,, Gurley was interferred in his route... But Posters jumped all over Goff for missing and open Gurley,,, but you have to view the tape.. it was an PI.... and they got the penalty and score on the next play...

The second I didnt get to view the whole tape yet,,, but I'll give that one as a miss chance by Goff...

So now,,, lets take a look at the WRs.... I counted at least two to three drops...

The O-line, they gave up two sacks and nine QB Hits... I dont have the stats for hurries or QB pressure, but I'm sure it was high...

One thing I notice with McVay and Goff,,, this game they were looking for the underneath stuff... I was happy with that,,, I understand that they were behind all game and had to throw the ball, so the game plan was changed...

but there were some plays that they should of called a running play,,,
and bring in a two TE set... especially on the INT,,, it was 4 and two to go,,,

but after reviewing half of the tape,,, I didnt see any two TEs in the first half.... and I dont remember ever happening in the second half...

The only part I was impress, was both McVay and Goff was on the same page, and started to look for the underneath stuff... but since the game plan was changed,,, we couldn't run the ball...

Any way,,,, I saw some improvements wihin that lost...