[SWAdude]

the irony is those who espouse this paranoid, narrow view, this nonsense, are the ones who have fallen victim to it, who are trapped by it, yet they really don't see it.

Nailed it.

[Stranger]

I've hated all of your posts until now ( ok not all) .... I don't want to click a "Like" button ... I want to click a "respect" button.

LOL. Thanks

[haroldjackson29]

the irony is those who espouse this paranoid, narrow view, this nonsense, are the ones who have fallen victim to it, who are trapped by it, yet they really don't see it.

How is this narrow? It shows looking at more than 2 sides of coin. We were born into it.you had no choice.You are just happy In your obedience ie civility. There's plenty of laws that you comply with that you dont agree with.That qualifies as willing victimhood.. You've been taught to comply with group think and reject alternative viewpoints. You've been trained to call anyone crazy, who disagrees with media or the State.
It's not paranoia.Its critical thought.

[haroldjackson29]

I've tried to be a student of propaganda through my adult career. Read the books by the masters, and tried to understand the methods of manipulation. So, yes, I agree, most of it is Simulacra for the masses.

Hence, I've shut down consuming almost all media. ... since about 15yrs ago. About the only thing I follow any longer is Rams football. And the only place I get my Rams news is from RFU

So, I'm pretty well insulated. Still, it's hard to listen to this stuff. Even if it is fake, for the purposes of serving some higher agenda - whatever that could be.

......I'm confused now lol.
That kind of looks like agreement.
I'm done lol

[aeneas1]

You've been trained to call anyone crazy, who disagrees with media or the State. It's not paranoia.Its critical thought.

perfect.

[/zn/]

I may have some bad news for some to think all the recent rage of poor behavior is going to change things.

Man as we know it has been around so the scientists say about 60 to 80 thousand years ago.

Civilized man has been around for about 6,000 years.

The industrial age has been around about 200 years.

We are still learning to be civilized and the industrial age is making it more difficult.

This type of behavior will not change in our life times and beyond for a good time. It will just be learned to be hidden better. Human nature.

I have to disagree with the idea that it's "natural" for men to harass women at work. If you look at it, that's part of why it exists in the first place--ah it's natural. That belief is part of what fuels it. Sex drive and attraction are not harassment...it;'s not inevitable that the former leads to the latter. I have 2 daughters in their 20s and they work and they don't face anything like this in their jobs. Their men (one a husband, one a boyfriend) are nothing like the harassers, in thought or action, and recognize it for what it is and condemn it. I'm glad for my daughters (and my wife and nieces and friends and co-workers) that this is the year of speaking out.

[Stranger]

Someone said it's fake?

Again. A lot of the offending material was sent by text. Both vids and messages. That's presumably still in existence and can be used as evidence. So what's fake about this?

Are plays fake? Are movies fake? I mean, an actor really says the lines that someone else wrote for them. I'm not necessarily saying this applies here, I'm just trying to define what I think he meant by the word "fake".

I prefer Simulacra. It essentially means something that happened, but is so divorced from the natural world that it virtually has no connection to it any longer.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Simulacrum

[Gareth]

So now I am some cyber-bully and Gareth is "a victim"
Maybe next time you want to make the distinction between office dating and sexual harassment Gareth, you can do it without telling fellow posters that "they missed the point." Pennsylvania made the same distinction just fine, without having to question somebody's judgement or their capacity for logic and comprehension.

I've never considered saying "you missed the point" in a conversation to be offensive. It seems to me that you see that all the time. Clearly, I hit a nerve with you. Didn't mean to.

I have strong feelings on this and to me it's offensive to equate office romance and the kinds of behavior that these guys are accused of.

[SWAdude]

I have to disagree with the idea that it's "natural" for men to harass women at work. If you look at it, that's part of why it exists in the first place--ah it's natural. That belief is part of what fuels it. Sex drive and attraction are not harassment...it;'s not inevitable that the former leads to the latter. I have 2 daughters in their 20s and they work and they don't face anything like this in their jobs. Their men (one a husband, one a boyfriend) are nothing like the harassers, in thought or action, and recognize it for what it is and condemn it. I'm glad for my daughters (and my wife and nieces and friends and co-workers) that this is the year of speaking out.

I didn't say it was natural to harass women at work. Good lord.

What I was saying is these types of things don't change fast. And that some will learn to hide it better.

This is but one form of bad behavior.

[dieterbrock]

Every time I try and respond I have to erase what I write.
I worked in corporate management for 15 years and never a minute went by that I didnt have to be on my guard about about the perception of my actions/words. I've seen men's careers destroyed by zero tolerance policies being enforced on stupidity. So I have no compassion for these folks who are so engulfed in their narcissism that they feel they have complete impunity to do whatever they want