[Elvis]

My entire point in that post is simply to debunk the idea that "run heavy" automatically means lack of passing sophistication.

Maybe i've missed, but i haven't seen a single person making that argument. As far as i can tell, the only person talking run/pass ratios is you. As i, and Aeneas1 have pointed out, they can be pretty misleading because of game situation.

99: 56.6% passing
2000: 62.2% passing
2001: 58.7% passing

The 99 Rams WERE a more balanced offense, at least in part because Vermeil insisted on it.

The 2000 Rams had the worst defense in the NFL, they didn't have the luxury of sitting on leads. Another reason why relying on run/pass ratios has so little value...

[/zn/]

The 2000 Rams had the worst defense in the NFL, they didn't have the luxury of sitting on leads. Another reason why relying on run/pass ratios has so little value...

I know. I said that. Right in the post you quote.

And no one is "relying" on anything. You're misconstruing.

I just said that there is an assumption that the less you pass the less sophisticated your passing attack is, and so I set up the numbers to show that Gase's 2015 offense was run-heavy.

Beyond that what was it "relied on" FOR? Really there was no other point. There's no wild extravagant claim to police here.

And yes there is an assumption by some that the Rams can't field a viable passing attack, which I've never believed. I stick by what I have always said about that...that the Rams offense has been set back by personnel issues involving the OL much of the time and the qb the rest of the time.

That means I am optimistic about what they can do with a healthy developing OL and a stable qb situtation.

I don't doubt the coaches "can do it" like some do...since the way I see, the issues were not coaching.

Now is it going to be a defensive oriented team with a play action offense? Probably, yes. But that wins in the NFL too. As the playoffs keep showing, teams built that way win all the time. So I don't personally need it to be New England or Arizona.

So that's it in a nutshell.

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[Elvis]

I just said that there is an assumption that the less you pass the less sophisticated your passing attack is, and so I set up the numbers to show that Gase's 2015 offense was run-heavy.

I haven't seen anybody making that argument.

It's the quality of the Rams passing game that has been so lacking.

I'd like to think the firing of Frank Cignetti, the hiring of Mike Groh and the drafting of Goff #1 (not to mention all the new WR's and TE's) were in recognition of that fact...

[/zn/]

I just said that there is an assumption that the less you pass the less sophisticated your passing attack is, and so I set up the numbers to show that Gase's 2015 offense was run-heavy.

I haven't seen anybody making that argument.

It's the quality of the Rams passing game that has been so lacking.

I'd like to think the firing of Frank Cignetti, the hiring of Mike Groh and the drafting of Goff #1 (not to mention all the new WR's and TE's) were in recognition of that fact...

I have. I found it to be a prevalent thing both here and elsewhere.

My issue again is not the quality of the passing game, it's the personnel issues having to do with injuries and related things on the OL and at qb. Once that is straightened out they need to upgrade WR too but I think they are doing that.

I think that we do not know why Cignetti was fired so people are free to use it as a rorschach test to project their assumptions on to. I pick up on the hints that he was not good behind closed doors. I get the impression he and Foles were feuding. I don't think Fisher tolerates that. Either way, what little we saw of Cigs was unravelled by the OL and Foles falling apart at the same time. Up till that happened, the offense was 6th in yards per attempt, and Foles at his best is not elite, so it wasn't just him.

I notice that the actual coordinator is an internal hire, and that if a team counts on a WR coach to turn it around, it has (IMO) taken the wrong step. And I like Groh. (Though of course, again, his desired background with Gase doesn't mean an Arians style offense anyway.) I just don't write off Boras. And if Groh were the coordinator as opposed to a major contributor (along with Lilly) then they should have just hired him as the coordinator. But see I don't think he IS the coordinator.

I think they drafted Goff for the obvious reason. One of their 2 problems was qb. The first got injured and then the next one melted down to the point of being jettisoned. They obviously need a qb so took the bull by the horns and just went out and got one. In fact IMO they did their typical "turn a problem into a strength" approach and made sure they got what they thought was the best one available (which is similar, in its own way, to saying let's fix the OL by drafting every lineman in the draft). So yes Goff fixes one of the major issues. Or, ought to. I think he does anyway.

So we see this all differently. Mine may be a minority view here. The question then becomes, how are minority views regarded? Are they welcomed as part of the mix of views? I am personally acting as someone who believes the latter is true. Differences can be interesting. My approach is, say what you think, for all you know one day everyone will all be agreeing, just depending on the issue.

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[bubbaramfan]

I can't understand how some folks think top draft picks have to play day one. Its like expecting someone who has only flown a Piper Cub to fly a 747. Not the same league and much more complicated.

[Hacksaw]

I do find it odd that generally speaking teams with notable defenses tend to have lesser quality offenses. It's likely because it's hard to get a full rounded special teams, offense, defense all at the same time and to play all of those better than the rest .
I'm certain the goal of every coaching staff is to have just this type of balance, but circumstances like injury etc derail those plans more often than not. Not every team has the personnel to pull it off each and every year either.
Consistency is also important ..There are some really solid systems like that of New Englands Bill Belichick (throws up in mouth). The Rams haven't shown that consistency until recently. Even the Martz era was way too brief.
All-in-all there's so many factors with 53 men and all these coaches to really pinpoint what's happening at any given time to speak with such certainty. IMO of course.

[Hacksaw]

I can't understand how some folks think top draft picks have to play day one. Its like expecting someone who has only flown a Piper Cub to fly a 747. Not the same league and much more complicated.

Only if he's better Bubba, only if he's better. For that much expense we'd hope he is

[aeneas1]

I can't understand how some folks think top draft picks have to play day one. Its like expecting someone who has only flown a Piper Cub to fly a 747. Not the same league and much more complicated.

probably not a lot of examples of light aircraft pilots immediately jumping to commercial jets, but there are a lot of examples of rookies jumping from starting in college to immediately starting in the pros, in fact there are not only a lot of examples but also a lot of success stories - hopefully goff will add to the list.

[dieterbrock]

I can't understand how some folks think top draft picks have to play day one. Its like expecting someone who has only flown a Piper Cub to fly a 747. Not the same league and much more complicated.

When Mark Sanchez, Matt Ryan, Joe Flacco, Ben Roethlisberger, RGIII, Andrew Luck and Russell Wilson have lead their teams to the playoffs as a rookie, why not expect your rookie to follow suit?

[bubbaramfan]

Just citing that as an example of how much there is to lean before they are ready to play. They don't come out of college "pro ready". there is a lot to absorb.