[ramsman34]

MCV learned, especially what he wants in a QB. We’ll be fine.

[ramman2999]

You guys forgot. You guys aren’t seeing all these teams are getting capital for the big Quarterback draft.

The steelers arent stupid. Last time they did this was for Ben Rothleisberger

They are getting that capital. Just got the third rounder for Pickens.

They will package. Im right a baby tank is coming.


Here are the teams ready to get in the 2026 Quarterback sweepstakes

1.Los Angeles Rams we got our two first round picks 2026 Gold.

2. Jets they arent fooling anybody with Justin Fields.

3. Giants Russell Wilson will get you to 5-5


4. Raiders Geno Smith isnt a guarantee. i see 7-8


5. Colts Ding Ding Ding big competition Fuck outa here. Daniel Jones Anthony Richardson


6. Browns got capital a first round pick. They have no Quarterbacks too many. Flaco is a tank Commanders. Sanders will have them in a playoff hunt 9-7


We got some steep Competition all these teams are getting in on this.

7. Saints big tank season. Please beat Falcons. I’ll be the biggest Saints fan this season.

[RedAlice]

Go Saints!

And interesting take on the Steelers, can definitely see that possibility. Looked it up and they went 6-10 in 2003, then drafted Ben in 2004 with 11th pick. They were 11 wins in 2002 and 15 wins in 2004.

DK Metcalf will have fun with that this year if true.

[BobCarl]

... the most important spot on the roster is QB.

How does one argue against this?

Edited to say: Even though AI Nate Kessler lays out some good arguments below, he really affirms that the roster spot is the most important.

[BobCarl]

How does one argue against this?

Maybe an AI can:

Nate Kessler, the AI, from Sports GPT wrote:

Winning with Average QBs

Here are several examples of NFL teams that were built around average or limited quarterbacks, yet still managed serious success thanks to dominant defenses, elite run games, or brilliant coaching.

️ 1. 2000 Baltimore Ravens – Trent Dilfer
QB play: Dilfer was a classic game manager — 1,502 yards, 12 TDs, 11 INTs.

Why they won: Arguably the greatest defense of all time. Ray Lewis led a unit that allowed only 10.3 points per game. Jamal Lewis ran for 1,364 yards.

Result: Super Bowl champions. Dilfer wasn't asked to win games — just not to lose them.

️ 2. 2002 Tampa Bay Buccaneers – Brad Johnson
QB play: Johnson was serviceable but unspectacular.

Why they won: Hall of Fame defense under Monte Kiffin with Derrick Brooks, Warren Sapp, Ronde Barber, and John Lynch. They forced 5 turnovers in the Super Bowl alone.

Result: Super Bowl champions. Johnson played smart, efficient football.

🧠 3. 2019 San Francisco 49ers – Jimmy Garoppolo
QB play: Threw for 3,978 yards and 27 TDs — decent, but limited in the postseason. Only 8 passes in the NFC Championship game vs. the Packers.

Why they won (13-3 and NFC champs): Kyle Shanahan’s run game (Raheem Mostert, Tevin Coleman), and a ferocious defense led by Nick Bosa, Fred Warner, and Richard Sherman.

Result: Reached Super Bowl, led by scheme and roster — not QB play.

🧠 4. 2023 San Francisco 49ers – Brock Purdy
QB play: “Mr. Irrelevant” playing in a QB-friendly system. Stats were strong (4,280 yds, 31 TDs), but many label him a "system QB."

Why they dominated: Christian McCaffrey, Deebo Samuel, George Kittle, and the NFL's top-ranked offensive line. Defense featured Bosa, Warner, and Hufanga.

Result: NFC Champions. Nearly beat Mahomes in the Super Bowl.

️ 5. 2015 Denver Broncos – Peyton Manning (post-elite version)
QB play: 9 TDs, 17 INTs. Benched midseason. Brock Osweiler also started 7 games.

Why they won: Defense led by Von Miller, DeMarcus Ware, Aqib Talib, and Chris Harris Jr. #1 defense in the league.

Result: Super Bowl champions despite Manning being a shell of his former self.

🧃 6. 2006 Chicago Bears – Rex Grossman
QB play: Hot and cold. Threw 23 TDs but 20 INTs. Inconsistent and turnover-prone.

Why they made the Super Bowl: Elite defense (Brian Urlacher, Lance Briggs, Charles Tillman), Devin Hester changing games on special teams, strong run game with Thomas Jones.

Result: Lost Super Bowl XLI to Peyton Manning’s Colts.

7. 2017 Jacksonville Jaguars – Blake Bortles
QB play: Erratic but serviceable. Known more for scrambling than pocket passing.

Why they went 10-6 and nearly beat the Patriots in the AFC Championship: "Sacksonville" defense with Calais Campbell, Jalen Ramsey, A.J. Bouye, and a thunderous run game led by rookie Leonard Fournette.

🧠 Takeaway:
These teams minimized QB risk by:

Playing elite defense (Ravens, Broncos, Bucs, Jags)

Leaning on dominant run games (49ers, Bears, Jags)

Using coaching/scheme to hide limitations (Shanahan, Kubiak)

It doesn’t mean QB isn’t vital — it just shows you can win a lot of games if the rest of the machine is built right.


🧱 Great defenses + strong run games = hide mid QBs

Coaching and system matter (see: 49ers)

Super Bowls can be won without elite QB play

🧩 Team context > raw QB talent, sometimes

[BobCarl]

Nate Kessler (an AI) wrote:

Elite QBs held back by weak rosters:

Here are examples of elite quarterbacks who were held back (sometimes tragically so) by weak supporting casts, bad coaching, porous defenses, or front office failures.

1. Aaron Rodgers (2010–2022 Packers)
QB play: 4x MVP, historically efficient, ridiculous TD-to-INT ratio.

Held back by:

Repeated playoff exits due to porous defenses (e.g., 2011, 2016, 2020).

Coaching miscues (e.g., Mike McCarthy's conservative game vs. Seattle in 2014).

Poor roster depth and questionable draft picks (Jordan Love over WRs in 2020).

Result: Only one Super Bowl appearance — and win — in 18 seasons with Green Bay.


🪫 2. Matthew Stafford (2009–2020 Lions)
QB play: Threw for over 4,000 yards in seven seasons, 282 TDs, elite arm talent.

Held back by:

Atrocious defenses (ranked bottom-10 in points allowed 8 of his 12 years in Detroit).

No run game support — zero 1,000-yard rushers until his final years.

Dysfunctional front office and coaching carousel.

Result: 0 playoff wins in Detroit. Wins Super Bowl immediately after leaving for LA.

🪤 3. Justin Herbert (2020–present Chargers)
QB play: Historic early-career numbers, rocket arm, rare poise and accuracy.

Held back by:

Constant injuries across the roster (OL, WRs, defense).

Bottom-tier coaching decisions (e.g., Brandon Staley's 27-point playoff collapse in 2022).

Poor game management and conservative playcalling.

Result: No playoff wins. Record doesn’t reflect his talent level.

4. Deshaun Watson (2017–2020 Texans)
QB play: Led NFL in passing yards in 2020, 104 TDs, 70%+ completion multiple years.

Held back by:

Horrendous OL (most sacked QB 2018–2019).

Front office dysfunction (traded DeAndre Hopkins for pennies).

Defense fell apart after 2018.

Result: Wasted elite seasons. Team cratered despite top-tier QB play.

5. Drew Brees (2014–2016 Saints)
QB play: Still elite into his late 30s — over 4,800 yards, 30+ TDs each year.

Held back by:

Historically bad defenses (31st, 32nd, and 31st in points allowed).

No support from special teams or field position.

Result: Saints went 7–9 three years in a row, wasting prime years.

🏹 6. Andrew Luck (2012–2018 Colts)
QB play: Rocket arm, mobile, clutch, 40-TD season in 2014.

Held back by:

Offensive line got him killed — constant hits and injuries.

Weak defenses that couldn’t close out playoff games.

GM Ryan Grigson failed to build around him.

Result: Retired early at 29, citing mental and physical exhaustion. A huge “what if.”

⚖️ 7. Dan Marino (1983–1999 Dolphins)
QB play: Revolutionized passing. 5,000 yards in 1984 when no one else sniffed it. Arm of the gods.

Held back by:

Never had a dominant run game or defense.

Front office failed to adapt to evolving NFL.

Result: Zero Super Bowl rings. One SB appearance — in year two. Never got back.

Summary of the Pattern:
These QBs had everything except:

A reliable defense (Rodgers, Brees, Marino)

️ OL protection (Luck, Watson, Stafford pre-Rams)

Smart coaching (Herbert, Watson, early Stafford)

Team cohesion and front office alignment

In other words: even elite QB play can’t patch every hole.

🧠 TL;DR with emojis:

🧠 Great QBs, bad teams = wasted years

🧱 Weak defense or OL? QB can't overcome it alone

Even legends (Rodgers, Marino, Luck) missed titles due to bad support

🪫 QB ≠ cure-all

[Joe Pendleton]

I’d throw in the great “Dan Fouts” in with those legends

[PARAM]

Nate Kessler (an AI) wrote:

Elite QBs held back by weak rosters:

Here are examples of elite quarterbacks who were held back (sometimes tragically so) by weak supporting casts, bad coaching, porous defenses, or front office failures.

1. Aaron Rodgers (2010–2022 Packers)
QB play: 4x MVP, historically efficient, ridiculous TD-to-INT ratio.

Held back by:

Repeated playoff exits due to porous defenses (e.g., 2011, 2016, 2020).

Coaching miscues (e.g., Mike McCarthy's conservative game vs. Seattle in 2014).

Poor roster depth and questionable draft picks (Jordan Love over WRs in 2020).

Result: Only one Super Bowl appearance — and win — in 18 seasons with Green Bay.


🪫 2. Matthew Stafford (2009–2020 Lions)
QB play: Threw for over 4,000 yards in seven seasons, 282 TDs, elite arm talent.

Held back by:

Atrocious defenses (ranked bottom-10 in points allowed 8 of his 12 years in Detroit).

No run game support — zero 1,000-yard rushers until his final years.

Dysfunctional front office and coaching carousel.

Result: 0 playoff wins in Detroit. Wins Super Bowl immediately after leaving for LA.

🪤 3. Justin Herbert (2020–present Chargers)
QB play: Historic early-career numbers, rocket arm, rare poise and accuracy.

Held back by:

Constant injuries across the roster (OL, WRs, defense).

Bottom-tier coaching decisions (e.g., Brandon Staley's 27-point playoff collapse in 2022).

Poor game management and conservative playcalling.

Result: No playoff wins. Record doesn’t reflect his talent level.

4. Deshaun Watson (2017–2020 Texans)
QB play: Led NFL in passing yards in 2020, 104 TDs, 70%+ completion multiple years.

Held back by:

Horrendous OL (most sacked QB 2018–2019).

Front office dysfunction (traded DeAndre Hopkins for pennies).

Defense fell apart after 2018.

Result: Wasted elite seasons. Team cratered despite top-tier QB play.

5. Drew Brees (2014–2016 Saints)
QB play: Still elite into his late 30s — over 4,800 yards, 30+ TDs each year.

Held back by:

Historically bad defenses (31st, 32nd, and 31st in points allowed).

No support from special teams or field position.

Result: Saints went 7–9 three years in a row, wasting prime years.

🏹 6. Andrew Luck (2012–2018 Colts)
QB play: Rocket arm, mobile, clutch, 40-TD season in 2014.

Held back by:

Offensive line got him killed — constant hits and injuries.

Weak defenses that couldn’t close out playoff games.

GM Ryan Grigson failed to build around him.

Result: Retired early at 29, citing mental and physical exhaustion. A huge “what if.”

⚖️ 7. Dan Marino (1983–1999 Dolphins)
QB play: Revolutionized passing. 5,000 yards in 1984 when no one else sniffed it. Arm of the gods.

Held back by:

Never had a dominant run game or defense.

Front office failed to adapt to evolving NFL.

Result: Zero Super Bowl rings. One SB appearance — in year two. Never got back.

Summary of the Pattern:
These QBs had everything except:

A reliable defense (Rodgers, Brees, Marino)

️ OL protection (Luck, Watson, Stafford pre-Rams)

Smart coaching (Herbert, Watson, early Stafford)

Team cohesion and front office alignment

In other words: even elite QB play can’t patch every hole.

🧠 TL;DR with emojis:

🧠 Great QBs, bad teams = wasted years

🧱 Weak defense or OL? QB can't overcome it alone

Even legends (Rodgers, Marino, Luck) missed titles due to bad support

🪫 QB ≠ cure-all

See but that's what happens when the QB's ego requires top 5 money. There ain't enough left to field an all star team. As much as I hated Brady and the Patriots, that was why they were so successful. 12 gave huge discounts to be a winner

@JoeP. ...loved Fouts but they were undone by bad defenses and sub zero temps in Cincinnati. Air Coryell was the precursor to TGSOT. And those dudes only won 1 Lombardi.

Also, been long tired of the excuses made for Rodgers. Everybody claimed he was so good he made everybody around him better. Except for the postseason?

[BobCarl]

See but that's what happens when the QB's ego requires top 5 money.

Agree 100%

possibly the very reason Stafford gave a discount