[max]

Further to max's point about how even superstar QBs having uber difficulties producing offensive points behind crappy OLines.....

if you took arguably the best RB in NFL history Jim Brown, #32 on the ol' Cleveland Browns, at his peak....or even our own Eric Dickerson in his prime.....and put him behind this Bobby Evans & Co clown show that Los Ramos brass have trotted out these past coupla months.....
same-same with the lack of ability to produce effectively....
WHETHER YOU'RE TRYING TO PASS THE HOGBLADDER OR TRYING TO RUN THE BALL!

IT JUST AIN'T GONNA WORK BEHIND A CRAPPY OLINE, SPORTSFANS!!!

ED said playing behind the Indy line later in career was a killer. He hated it, complained, and didnt want to play behind it for fear of getting seriously hurt.

I really take no real satisfaction in being right on this topic. Actually, its anger. Anger at McVay and Snead for letting this thing happen.

Just a bit of background here. I was just a young engineer when I began working for an aerospace corp in the reliability department back in the 1970's. I was an idealist who thought everyone in a position of authority knew what they were doing. Pretty naive, I guess.

But over my career of almost 40 years, I was trained to look for potential problems, things that could go wrong even with the best intentions. That was my job. Analyze, diagnose, and raise issues. We would do things like FMECA. Failure Mode Effects and Criticality Analysis. The military pays big bucks for this stuff. Anyway, I went from a kid who was very optimistic that everything was gonna work as advertised, to questioning even the most unsuspicious things.

So thats how I approached this OL issue, just like I approach everything in my life now. As my wife says, all you see is problems with everything. But every once in a while when I prevent a major catastrophe, she says well you got one right. Its harder to win when you prevent problems cause its very hard, if even possible, to demonstrate that you did.

When others on this board were saying McVay and Snead should get the benefit of the doubt, or everything is fine, or what were they supposed to do (after the problem occurs), I said bullshit, they should have seen the problem long ago.

[PARAM]

Just a bit of background here. I was just a young engineer when I began working for an aerospace corp in the reliability department back in the 1970's.

Didn't the anniversary of the Challenger accident just pass recently? The irony! Just kidding Max.

As my wife says, 'all you see is problems with everything'

And kudos to your wife! Obviously she knows you better than anybody on internet does!

[max]

[quote="PARAM"]Didn't the anniversary of the Challenger accident just pass recently? The irony! Just kidding Max.

The Challenger tragedy could have easily been prevented. The engineers who did the FMECA analysis brought it to the attention of management that the o-ring seal material was not tolerant of the cold temps at launch. They wouldn't seal the joints at those cold temps. The engineers were ignored. Schedule and PR took precedence. And people died. There is tons of info on this on the internet. I knew about back when it happened. I was at a Reliability conference back in the late 80's where the entire story was explained in excruciating detail by an engineer who worked at NASA.

[rams74]

Didn't the anniversary of the Challenger accident just pass recently? The irony!

No, it didn't. January 28, 1986. Over 36 years ago, approaching 37. But not a recent anniversary.

And I could tell you some stuff about that accident, too. I worked at Thiokol Corp, the company that made the o-rings that failed. I was hired post-Challenger for the redesign project, but I worked closely with the engineers who were there that day.

[FredsDryer]

I have kept my distance from commenting, it was like a karma thing last season that the less I invested personally the better they did. I had huge concerns for Stafford but that was about his relationship with the interception, nothing to do with time behind the Offensive Line. Now I realize that the karma theory was worthless and I find that everything I want to say is already said.

Stafford has to work with the time he has and that isn't much, that or the protection has to be improved no matter the impact to the system. Playing the Noners is one thing, they are configured to give pocket passers tremendous trouble and that means an effective running game against a strong run defense, improved protection or at least QB mobility. I do not think it is coincidence that Mahomes, Wilson, Mariota and even Justin Fields represent the opposing QB in each of the Noners losses this year. Playing the Bucs? I feel like that game should have been a 24-9 or 27-9 winning score.

Look at what the Hags did with their OL, 1st round and 3rd round tackles and after some early season struggles, every highlight I see of their offense has Geno flipping Smith standing back there like a statue with just enough time to get a decent completion, a boot that they seem to use like bread and butter or a late game rushing attack that looks backbreaking. Just a couple of rookie studs on the offensive line, makes it easier on the guys who aren't studs. The Hags are just methodically wearing their opponent out and sustaining long drives late in the game, we didn't need all that on Sunday, we just needed that ONE last drive and couldn't get it done.

I am still hanging in there but if there is another Hot Carlos loss at HOME? I may be finishing a lot of home projects for future Sundays to come.

[ramsman34]

Damn good post FredsDryer. And great screen name to boot.

I am hoping the OL gets some continuity and elevate play - giving whomever is back ther Sunday time to make the right read and complete the ball. Also, I really hope they can run the ball. They need to be effective there so pay action is also effective.

[Hacksaw]

I have kept my distance from commenting, it was like a karma thing last season that the less I invested personally the better they did. I had huge concerns for Stafford but that was about his relationship with the interception, nothing to do with time behind the Offensive Line. Now I realize that the karma theory was worthless and I find that everything I want to say is already said.

Stafford has to work with the time he has and that isn't much, that or the protection has to be improved no matter the impact to the system. Playing the Noners is one thing, they are configured to give pocket passers tremendous trouble and that means an effective running game against a strong run defense, improved protection or at least QB mobility. I do not think it is coincidence that Mahomes, Wilson, Mariota and even Justin Fields represent the opposing QB in each of the Noners losses this year. Playing the Bucs? I feel like that game should have been a 24-9 or 27-9 winning score.

Look at what the Hags did with their OL, 1st round and 3rd round tackles and after some early season struggles, every highlight I see of their offense has Geno flipping Smith standing back there like a statue with just enough time to get a decent completion, a boot that they seem to use like bread and butter or a late game rushing attack that looks backbreaking. Just a couple of rookie studs on the offensive line, makes it easier on the guys who aren't studs. The Hags are just methodically wearing their opponent out and sustaining long drives late in the game, we didn't need all that on Sunday, we just needed that ONE last drive and couldn't get it done.

I am still hanging in there but if there is another Hot Carlos loss at HOME? I may be finishing a lot of home projects for future Sundays to come.

Hey man stick around ,,,,,karma be damned.

[bremillard]

Really? How do you 'splain Stafford being top 5 vs the blitz in 2021?

What exactly is "an old Lions fan" on a Rams forum? I can guess.....

I lived in Detroit for 17 years. Played 3 years of H.S. football for the Livonia Churchill Chargers. The only NFL game I could attend then was in the Silverdome. After a while they became my second team. I am also a huge USC fan but I spent many Saturday afternoons in the Big House and even had a chance to play for Bo at M in 1975. Some people can like two different teams until they play each other. Was that your guess? What has Stafford done THIS YEAR without a solid offensive line. I know...16.4 points per game and a 3-5 record.

[PARAM]

Some people can like two different teams

Sure they can. The convenient thing there is you don't have to commit to one.

[bremillard]

Sure they can. The convenient thing there is you don't have to commit to one.

And you don't have to commit to a given ideology. In one thread you are as hard as I am on the team. When "discussing" with me your tone changes. We're both here during the season so I guess that means something.