[AvengerRam]

Oh there are definitely other categories. Plenty of middle tier QBs. But Goff is in the "sucks" category. Check out the ESPN article above. His turnovers are second to only Wentz, who is probably the worst QB in the league right now.

No, he's not in the "sucks" category.

[moklerman]

I agree with your analysis.

Cookie cutter blame syndrome works this way. First it's the qb. Then later on, the offensive coordinator. Then later still, the head coach. (With McVay that doubles up.) So you don't get to the coach/coordinator until you've exhausted qb blaming. That's especially true if you have a long-standing agenda.

Then there's actual analysis. Actual analysis of that game does not just focus on the qb because that was CLEARLY not the only problem.

No one said it was the "only" problem but Goff was an important problem. You really think that criticizing a QB who had 3 turnovers and a pick-6 and missed open receivers for first downs and TD's is a nefarious agenda and not just warranted criticism? What would Goff have to do for you to blame him for anything?

You really need to stop condescending to people, acting as if you really know what's going on and everyone else just doesn't understand things like you do. Twisting and misrepresenting other people's points of view is also a bad look.

[CanuckRightWinger]

For Pennsylvania and his 'who the fuck is Greg Rosenthal?"....or words to that effect
ME: I dunno. I just gave him the credit for his 4 Week Inventory of Goff Goofs is all. Read it over in another Rams Forum....one where, when you criticize the Ram QB's shitty performance, you don't get some Dr. Phil wannabe up your arse analyzing your HalfCentury of Ramfandom!

As I have stated earlier, prior to this season, out of a 32 Team League, only 12 NFL Teams make the Playoffs.....and yeah, IMO, the other 20 Teams are irrelevant for that season....IE. like Los Ramos last year! So I am going to be critical of things that I see threatening that relevancy thang! Whether it's Goff, or Wade Phillips, or even sitting HCs like Spagnuolo and Fisher (I called Jeff Fisher a Dumpkopf during the Rams BYEWeek in 2016 (look it up!), oh, I didn't have alot of supporters then either BTW!)

Back to me scavenging around for stats from obscure sources like a Greg Rosenthal....
see, you guys with your ATHLETIC subscriptions can keep waxing eloquent about how Goff looked elite versus Minnesota and KC...
....reminds me of Heinz Guderian bogged down in Russia in 1943 reminiscing about marching into Paris just two years earlier! Point being.....things can change A LOT in 2 years!
BTW, nobody is being called a Nazi here....I am just making a historical comparison.

Anyways, I scavenged around some more last night and found a Sports Illustrated article late last night which basically said STALEY D GREAT....GOFF BLOWS CHUNKS....or words to that effect.

In that SI article, and segwaying it back to PA's
SURELY YOU'RE NOT SERIOUS ABOUT COMPARING GOFF TO JAMEIS WINSTON!!??

Well, turns out that... IT'S NOT ONLY ME! ....AND DON'T CALL ME SHIRLEY!
Per the SI article, the 3 worst NFL QB Turnover Machines so far in 2020?

Carson Wentz...18
Kirk Cousins/Jared Goff TIE....14

....and then, just to put the Cherry atop the Sundae for this contrarian kvetcher, SI went on to catalogue the worst NFL QB Turnover Machines since 2017 till now:

WORST....JAMEIS WINSTON: 70 TURNOVERS
SECOND WORST...JARED GOFF: 62 TURNOVERS

This where I drop the mike, right Mildred???

[moklerman]

No, he's not in the "sucks" category.

79.7 passer rating the last 4 games is quickly approaching that range, wouldn't you say? And that's against 2 of the worst passing defenses in the league.

[snackdaddy]

We know Goff has had some stinkers. We also know he's getting paid a lot of money and he isn't an elite quarterback. Some people want to use that contract to demand he become elite. Starting quarterbacks get paid in this league. That is life in the NFL. Dak Prescott isn't elite either but he's going to get paid like one at some point. Again, life in the NFL.

The other option is cutting bait and eating the cap money. Drafting the best available quarterback and hope he turns out in a couple years. Not sure I like that option. Sure the rookie has that cheap rookie contract. But we'd still be in cap hell because of Goff's contract.

All I can say is, Goff has played some really good games and some really bad games. He wins more than he loses. We could easily do worse. In my opinion all this moaning and groaning isn't going to make the Rams change quarterbacks. McVay is the smartest guy in the room. Its time he uses that and get Goff going like he did at one time.

[Haden]

As Canuck posted:

....and then, just to put the Cherry atop the Sundae for this contrarian kvetcher, SI went on to catalogue the worst NFL QB Turnover Machines since 2017 till now:
WORST....JAMEIS WINSTON: 70 TURNOVERS
SECOND WORST...JARED GOFF: 62 TURNOVERS

That's just pathetic. Nobody can argue that this is acceptable QB play.

[aeneas1]

79.7 passer rating the last 4 games is quickly approaching that range, wouldn't you say? And that's against 2 of the worst passing defenses in the league.

josh allen has posted a 79.8 qb rating for 6 of his last 7 games, another qb that sucks?

[bremillard]

It could be that he has gone from good QB to bust in 2 years. Look at Wentz. He was the elite in the league and now is the worst (with Trubisky). In his case, injuries washed him.

With Goff, Belichek found his kryptonite. Stack the box and bring heavy pressure. Goff can't handle it. Every D Coordinator in this league can copy that. Goff may be on his way out because he can't handle pressure. Kurt Warner on the other hand (no I'm not comparing them) would stay in the pocket, take the most outrageous hits, and deliver fearless strikes that punished D's for their blitz. Goff cannot deliver like this and wilts in the face of pressure. My best guess is that he'll be cut in 2 years.

I agree. At some point the Rams will have to eat the remainder of his contract that should never have been offered.

[actionjack]

Bottom line with Goff, his turnovers come in bunches. (I also think from his days at Cal, he is not use to playing conservative, he always had terrible defenses at Cal and had to score to have a chance). He just needs to get rid of the dumb turnovers, we can all live with an INT downfield here and there but not the pick to the DL.

The Rams will go as far as Goff takes them. Goff/McVay/ McConnell need to figure out ways to get Goff comfortable early, it tends to bode will for the rest of the game. It is one of the reasons we are 31-0 leading at half....

[moklerman]

josh allen has posted a 79.8 qb rating for 6 of his last 7 games, another qb that sucks?

Well, I think apples to apples is more fair. Allen's last 4 games is 96.7 and that doesn't incorporate the 100+ rushing yards and 3 rushing TD's or the receiving TD. So, I'd have to say "no", he isn't sucking.