[bremillard]

Well that's interesting. We're talking about how much money is being spent this season (cap hits), which is irrelevant in itself but you're talking about total contracts over three, four, five or more years. Hell that's even less relevant! How many voidable years on those deals? How much is being spread over the life of the contract? How many of those guys are going to see the final 2 years of those deals? How many will restructure?

Money spent DOES NOT equate to success. So your premise about the Rams not spending as much money as they should is misplaced at best , wrong otherwise.

Tell me something.....the Rams are spending 14.7 in cap hits on our original 5 and next year if Edwards leaves via UFA and the other four remain, we'll be spending 33.8 mil. Based on your theory, why would release any of them? They should be much better when their cap hits are higher!!!

And your gaslighting continues to be second to none.

[PARAM]

And your gaslighting continues to be second to none.

I don't know what that is......

Are you saying, the bigger contracts you hand out to the OL gives you a better chance to succeed?

Or the more money you spend each year on OL gives you a better chance to succeed?

I say BS to both.....and the facts back it up..... so if that's gaslighting, I guess I'm guilty.

Like I said before, it could be worse. Instead of spending 14.7 mil on our O line this year, we could be the Colts (4-7-1). $38 mil for their 5 starters; #26 offense, #25 rushing, #24 yards/att, #18 passing, 43 sacks allowed (worst in the NFL).

[CanuckRightWinger]

In the business world, corporate sales management types are fond of the saying:

The two best things when reporting Annual Sales Revenue are:
#1. Good Results;
#2. Good Excuses!

In the NFL business for Head Coaches, the two best things:
the number one best thing is a Playoff bound Won-Loss Record;
and number two.....the injury excuse.

Some guys want to continue to maintain that the 2022 Rams OL that gave up 7 sacks and umpteen QB hits to Stafford's coconut versus the Bills.....
that that OL of Noteboom/Edwards/Allen/Shelton/Havs was SOMEHOW (pixie-dust?) potentially good enough to "Run It Back" in 2022.

PER THEIR MANTRA:
They (our 2022 OL) were solid dontcha know? Never mind Stafford was beaten by the Buffalo D like a piece of veal, never mind the anemic Ram opener rushing stats, nor the fact we got shutout 21-0 in the second half of the opener versus the Bills....AT HOME.....never mind all that!
EXCUSE: The sample size of only ONE GAME versus the almighty Bills IE. the second-coming of the '85 Bears D.....that sample size is just too small to judge how good (or how inadequate) that original starting Los Ramos 2022 OL was going to work out for 2022!
Take that to the bank Pilgrims!!!

PER THEIR PUTDOWNS OF DIFFERING POSTERS' OPINIONS:
You naysayers, Do Not Trust Your Eyes! You cannot do that!! Regardless how long you've watched Los Ramos. Regardless of whether you ever played organized Football past High School. You don't know what McSnead can know! So STFU about our 2022 OL. It's "The Injuries" and ONLY the injuries that we can talk about!!!

ALSO:
Never never question McSnead's Draft Picks either....even though they are NOW tossing out 3rd Rounders like Burgess (2020) and Henderson (2019) like glass-beads at Mardi Gras!!!

If you doubt the absolute brilliance of even ONE McSnead move....
then clearly you are (pick one)
-a heretic that needs to be silenced;
-a bad & disloyal Rams Fan;
-a 100% pessimist, who needs some type of medication or counselling;
-suffering from Alzheimer's.


Others like me think McSnead cheaped-out on the 2022 Ram OL BOTH talentwise & moneywise.
QUESTIONS:
In what fooking universe is Joe Noteboom the equivalent of future HOFer LT Whitworth?
What sorceror's apprentice thought drafting a Wisconsin OG at #104 to replace the steady-eddy NFL OG vet Austin #33 OverallPick Corbett (who got a 3-year 28Mil UFA Contract) would dovetail seamlessly into a Repeat-SuperBowl-Run-OL effectively, huh?

ME: Rams Braintrust rolled the dice on the 2023 OL. They did it in 2019 as well.
Didn't work then, and didn't work in 2022.

To the defenders of that risky 2022 IN-HOUSE OL strategy:
Hey guys, we are inching towards a 3-14 Regular Season 2022 W-L record.....
use your considerable creative-writing skills and put some lipstick on that pig!!!

As Always, JMO.

[PARAM]

Who are all these posters who said Joe Noteboom would be the equivalent of future HOFer Andrew Whitworth? In fact what player who was available could they have acquired, who was the equivalent of Andrew Whitworth?

Who are all these posters who thought Austin (1 start before Rams traded for him) Corbett was worth 28 mil over 3 years as a Rams OG? And were they saying, "give him 28 mil for 3 years"?

Who are all these posters who've said EVERY Snead draft pick has been aces or that Snead could do no wrong? Or that he has done everything right since McVay joined up with him?

Strawmen popping up all over the fooking place here!!



Wait, I get it. Because future HOFer Whitworth was retiring, the only correct move would have been to find another future HOFer in free agency! Who was available with that description? Perhaps draft one? Who would that have been?

Inquiring minds want to know?

And if somebody argues against a criticism that says, "they should have made a different decision" (without presenting an alternate decision that was actually possible).....they are not saying "you can't criticize Snead". They're simply saying 'don't make a halfassed argument based off of 20/20 hindsight'. And before that familiar refrain is typed....."I questioned their decisions before the season"......please show the posts with those questions, that gave alternate approaches* to LT and RG.

Inquiring minds want to know.
*Not my job = a dodge

One more thing......if the complaints about a bad O line mentioned in the previous post seem familiar, it's because they were espoused during the Rams 3 game losing streak in 2021. Particularly vs the Titans when Stafford had so much pressure (5 sacks, many other pressures) he was Ole-ing footballs to the Titans LB's and DB's. If memory serves me Austin "Worth 28 mil" Corbett and Andrew "Future HOFer" Whitworth played OL in that game!!! Believe it or not, it went downhill from there with losses to SF and Green Bay where the OL didn't play much better. IIRC, one thread stated that "This Green Bay Game will say a lot about the Rams chances going forward". And despite that 3 game losing streak and some other terrible showings by that O line, the Rams still won the SB!!!

Who'd a thunk it? Clearly not the mooks who were raising hell about the OL during that stretch!!!

[CanuckRightWinger]

Wrong....
yet AGAIN!

During November 2021,guys like me argued that Rahim GoodPresser,NoX's&O's Morris's marshmellow D gave up too much TOP to the opposing 3 winning Offenses that November in 2021....

whereas for guys like you....
...it was all about the Armpunts!!!
Remember now???

Also in your post's grand opening you missed basics like....
I never wrote "posters" alleged Boom=Whit,
nor that "posters" thought a #104 rook OG could replace a #33 vet OG....
WRONG....again!
What I said was "McSnead" and "Rams Braintrust" cheaped-out and rolled the dice on the 2022 Rams OL, respectively. Duh!

Question: Are you losing reading comprehension focus....or just hitting the bourbon early today??!!

Sheesh....tighten it up buddy!

[PARAM]

Wrong....
yet AGAIN!

During November 2021,guys like me argued that Rahim GoodPresser,NoX's&O's Morris's marshmellow D gave up too much TOP to the opposing 3 winning Offenses that November in 2021....

whereas for guys like you....
...it was all about the Armpunts!!!
Remember now???

Also in your post's grand opening you missed basics like....
I never wrote "posters" alleged Boom=Whit,
nor that "posters" thought a #104 rook OG could replace a #33 vet OG....
WRONG....again!
What I said was "McSnead" and "Rams Braintrust" cheaped-out and rolled the dice on the 2022 Rams OL, respectively. Duh!

Question: Are you losing reading comprehension focus....or just hitting the bourbon early today??!!

Sheesh....tighten it up buddy!

Oh yeah now I remember! It was the defense allowing all those long drives that skewed the TOP for the Rams. Not the 3 and outs, predictable playcalling and random arm punts on 1st and 2nd down.

You thought the OL was doing just fine.

Yes, I mis-spoke about the strawmen. My bad. You were talking about McSnead thinking Noteboom was the equivalent of Whitworth. Now, in what world would anybody....a fan, a GM, etc....think a replacement with 15 starts in 5 years could be the equivalent of a HOFer? Seriously. I didn't misread that did I? Maybe you think it's possible to find the equivalent of Whitworth, if they only looked hard enough? Expected it?

On the Buffalo game who (what poster) and/or how many claimed the OL was "solid"? Please point out the many posts morphing into that 'mantra'. Who claimed the Buffalo D was the 85 Bears? What was said was "a highly motivated SB favorite, with a chip on their shoulder (from losing to Mahomes last year in the playoffs, after leading with 13 seconds left), came in and overwhelmed the Rams". That you interpreted as "the 85 Bears". But over 11 games this season, that team has lost 3 times (which in your book means they're not a SB favorite) by a total of 8 points....and leading by 10 as we type.

In an earlier post, you spoke of our first 2 backups like Anchrum and Jackson with 0 NFL starts being a dumb decision. Yet, in 2018 this same regime gave Austin Blythe the starting G spot with 1 career game started and that O line seems to be the epitome of a strong NFL line, in your eyes. Austin Fucking Blythe? At OG? In 2019, they traded for a guy who you labeled "a mook" and "a 2nd round bust with Cleveland". He had 1 NFL start on his resume and after a year and a half in L.A. practically reached the Dennis Harrah level or seems to have with the level of regret for letting him walk.

Yeah these guys made a lot of dumb decisions:

Couldn't find a HOF replacement for AW

Let Austin Harrah Corbett walk

Couldn't see, with 1 ACL injury in 2019 and a 2020 calf injury causing him to miss
12 games over the last 10 years including 46 college starts, that Noteboom was an injury waiting to happen.

Rolled with Anchrum and Williams as the first two subs who clearly weren't ready because they both were injured quickly.

Didn't have 14 quality O lineman on the roster and practice squad!!

ARob

Tutu and Humphrey (that has to be included because it's mentioned year after year and rightly so with Humphrey leading a SB OL every year)

FWIW, here's what you said after the Tennessee Game (pg 61 "Trench Warfare" thread). Didn't sound like you blaming the D and loving on the OL.

Truth be told, except for the penalty-filled final Titans drive, Los Ramos D played very tough & IMO shouldn't hang their heads:

-Tannehill was 19/27 for only 143 yds (125 net passing yds)// a very Bradford-like 5.3 YPA//1 TD //1pick// 3 sacks// 79.7 QB Rating
-Los Ramos D forced 5 Titan punts and allowed only 69 yds rushing on 27 carriers for 2.7 YPC

On Offense though, that Brian Allen OC guy sure looked like crap, and the Rams OL gave up 5 fucking sacks, and caused Matthew Stafford to look very ordinary tonight.

Our Offense played against a stronger NFL Team, and they stunk it up.....ESPECIALLY THE OL INTERIOR.

Sure am glad we picked TuTu Atwell, and not Creed Humphrey at #57 eh!!
I hope that lame draft decision doesn't haunt us for a whole damn decade like the Bobby Wagner fook-up from the 2012 NFL Draft has!

So..... many years down the road when we're in the early stages of alzheimers and forget what year we passed on Creed Humphrey, fans can just say, "oh that was that Superbowl year"!

[ramsman34]

I think the $$ point was the Rams could have invested more to get better quality and possibly better results. Maybe. Maybe not. I think they will have to do so this off-season if they want to upgrade the OL. If they stand pat, this place will see major meltdowns.

[PARAM]

I think the $$ point was the Rams could have invested more to get better quality and possibly better results. Maybe. Maybe not. I think they will have to do so this off-season if they want to upgrade the OL. If they stand pat, this place will see major meltdowns.

I know a lot of fans want to see Noteboom gone but I don't think it's reasonable to rely on Allen. When he plays an entire game, then misses 4 because of fluid, that's prolly gonna be a forever thing. Of course they could cut both of them but that's a lot of dead money and we'll go from needing 2 guards to needing 2 guards, a center and a LT. Who knows what they're gonna do? Sign a UFA guard? Center? LT? All of the above? With what they have available cap-wise, what kind of quality could we expect? Continuity isn't everything but it's a big thing. I wonder how they would have developed as an O line without all the injuries? I hope they draft AND sign a C. Maybe a G also.

[Elvis]

Noteboom tore his Achilles. His future is uncertain at best no matter what you may have thought of him before the injury...

[PARAM]

Noteboom tore his Achilles. His future is uncertain at best no matter what you may have thought of him before the injury...

True. Some guys come back from that and some don't (or come back but are ineffective). Maybe his youth will put him in the former group.