[azramsfan93]

Totally agree. They do have Offensive player of the year. Which they could then do away with. I’m not even sure what “most valuable” means?? To the league? To your team? If it’s to your team, how could Burrow NOT win it.

Because Saquan. He will win it.

[PARAM]

I completely agree. Puka deserved the OPOY probably more. The problem is that award, much like MVP, has turned into a QB award. I think there's way to much slant towards QB'S because of the statistics. They almost need a couple of added awards just for QB'S. QB of the year and rookie QB of the year. It needs a separate category or remove the bias tilt towards the QB position.

Well said. And IMHO, even with the "QB statistics", Puka's stats exceeded Stroud's, by far. IMO, there are 2-3 WRs on every good offense but just 1 QB. Puka did better than ANY rookie WR ever did. Stroud was #3 in rookie yards, #6 in rookie TDs and #4 in rookie QB rating all time. Admirable but not as good as Puka's performance. The key is, Stroud had the "wins", which most agree is a TEAM stat and not a true QB stat. "He led a team that was 3-13-1 to the playoffs in his rookie year". Like Nico Collins, Greenard, Tank Dell, Will Anderson, Tunsil and others didn't play a HUGE role? The voting last year solidifies it being a QB award....unless the best QB in the draft is someone like EJ Manuel (the only 1st round QB that year, Geno Smith was drafted next in the 2nd ).

[actionjack]

Turner, Fiske and K Will should have made it too. One could argue Puka as well with his stats over 11 games.

How does Kyren in particular not make it, wow so dumb

[PARAM]

How does Kyren in particular not make it, wow so dumb

There are 2 running backs with more yards than Kyren this year. And those same two are the only RBs with more the last 2 years.

Barkley 2967
Henry 2950
Kyren 2443
Bijan 2262
Gibbs 2218
Cook 2103
Conner 2098
Jacobs 2090
Hubbard 2097
Harris 2042
Mixon 2027
Pollard 2022

Who made the pro bowl? Barkley....okay, for sure. Jacobs and Gibbs. I think Gibbs and Jacobs are stellar but so is Kyren. They all have higher YPC numbers though.

[ramsman34]

Lack of explosive runs just K Will. Sad but true and stupid.

[69RamFan]

There are 2 running backs with more yards than Kyren this year. And those same two are the only RBs with more the last 2 years.

Barkley 2967
Henry 2950
Kyren 2443
Bijan 2262
Gibbs 2218
Cook 2103
Conner 2098
Jacobs 2090
Hubbard 2097
Harris 2042
Mixon 2027
Pollard 2022

Who made the pro bowl? Barkley....okay, for sure. Jacobs and Gibbs. I think Gibbs and Jacobs are stellar but so is Kyren. They all have higher YPC numbers though.

Looking at the number of yards after week 17,
your numbers seem a little off.

The other reason why I think Jacob & Gibbs got picked up before Williams,
even though Williams has more rushing yards than those two,
they both had more yards from scrimmage,
and the TDs are about even.

[PARAM]

Looking at the number of yards after week 17,
your numbers seem a little off.

How?

[69RamFan]

How?

Rushing After week 17
Rk Player Age Team Pos G GS Att Yds
▼ TD 1D Succ% Lng Y/A Y/G A/G Fmb Awards
1 Saquon Barkley 27 PHI RB 16 16 345 2005 13 82 52.5 72 5.8 125.3 21.6 2
2 Derrick Henry 30 BAL RB 16 16 305 1783 14 89 59.0 87 5.8 111.4 19.1 3
3 Kyren Williams 24 LAR RB 16 16 316 1299 14 85 50.9 30 4.1 81.2 19.8 5
4 Bijan Robinson 22 ATL RB 16 16 276 1286 12 67 57.6 37 4.7 80.4 17.3 1
5 Josh Jacobs 26 GNB RB 16 16 295 1285 14 68 51.5 38 4.4 80.3 18.4 4
6 Jahmyr Gibbs 22 DET RB 16 3 227 1273 13 62 54.2 70 5.6 79.6 14.2 1
7 Jonathan Taylor 25 IND RB 13 12 269 1254 10 59 42.4 70 4.7 96.5 20.7 4
8 Chuba Hubbard 25 CAR RB 15 15 250 1195 10 62 54.8 38 4.8 79.7 16

[PARAM]

1 Saquon Barkley 345 2005 13
2 Derrick Henry 305 1783 14
3 Kyren Williams 316 1299 14
4 Bijan Robinson 276 1286 12
5 Josh Jacobs 295 1285 14
6 Jahmyr Gibbs 227 1273 13
7 Jonathan Taylor 269 1254 10
8 Chuba Hubbard 250 1195 10
9 James Conner 236 1094 8
10 Aaron Jones 245 1093 5
11 Bucky Irving 188 1033 7
12 Tony Pollard 238 1017 5
13 Najee Harris 251 1007 5
14 Rico Dowdle 213 1007 1
15 Joe Mixon 240 993 11
16 Chase Brown 229 990 7
17 James Cook 197 981 15
18 Alvin Kamara 228 950 6
19 D'Andre Swift 233 894 5

The list I showed was the last 2 years. But since you put up this year's list, here's 2023....Att-Yards-TD

1 Christian McCaffrey 272 1459 14
2 Derrick Henry 280 1167 12
3 Kyren Williams 228 1144 12
4 James Cook 237 1122 2
5 D'Andre Swift 229 1049 5
6 James Conner 208 1040 7
7 Najee Harris 255 1035 8
8 Joe Mixon 257 1034 9
9 David Montgomery 219 1015 13
10 Raheem Mostert 209 1012 18
11 Travis Etienne 267 1008 11
12 Tony Pollard 252 1005 6
13 Breece Hall 223 994 5
14 Rachaad White 272 990 6
15 Bijan Robinson 214 976 4
16 Saquon Barkley 247 962 6
17 Jahmyr Gibbs 182 945 10
18 Isiah Pacheco 205 935 7
19 Kenneth Walker III 219 905 8
20 Chuba Hubbard 238 902 5

And the list for 2023-2024 once again

Barkley 592-2967-19 TD
Henry 585-2950-26
Kyren 544-2443-26
Bijan 490-2262-16
Gibbs 409-2218-23
Cook 434-2103-17
Conner 444-2098-15
Jacobs 528-2090-20
Hubbard 488-2097-15
Harris 506-2042-13
Mixon 497-2027-20
Pollard 490-2022-11

The only guys with 1,000 both years are Henry, Kyren, Conner, Pollard and Harris (so far; there's one game remaining). And if I'm reading this right, nobody has more rushing TDs than Kyren (tied at 26 with Henry; Montgomery has 25). So Kyren is top 3 in yards and TDs. And carries; Barkley 592, Henry 585, Kyren 544; Not too shabby, even more impressive the Rams got him in the 5th.

[69RamFan]

The list I showed was the last 2 years. But since you put up this year's list, here's 2023....Att-Yards-TD



And the list for 2023-2024 once again



The only guys with 1,000 both years are Henry, Kyren, Conner, Pollard and Harris (so far; there's one game remaining). And if I'm reading this right, nobody has more rushing TDs than Kyren (tied at 26 with Henry; Montgomery has 25). So Kyren is top 3 in yards and TDs. And carries; Barkley 592, Henry 585, Kyren 544; Not too shabby, even more impressive the Rams got him in the 5th.

My mistake about your list for the past two years.
and I am agreeing with you, I totally understand your point.

But I think the reason why he got snubbed,
both Gibbs & Jacobs had better scrimmage yardage for 2024 after 17 games.