[snackdaddy]

Are we making suggestions based on what we hope? Or based on what is more realistic? Realistic is they can't cut him. Realistic is trading him won't get much in return because of his salary. He regressed and I doubt anyone would want to risk losing draft capital for a guy who may or may not return to a higher level of play.

He could be benched like Wentz. But who takes over? Wolford? He does have some weaknesses. Mainly he doesn't have the arm talent Goff has. And his style of play makes him an injury risk. Which would mean back to Goff. A guy you showed no confidence in by benching him.

Maybe a vet QB takes over? With our cap we realistically cannot afford a starter caliber. Even a low end one. We would have to sign a career backup. And there's usually a reason those guys are career backups. Think Kellen Clemens or Case Keenum. Or even Austin Davis.

I guess they could grab whatever quarterback is available in the second round. But does that smack of desperation? Not many past the first round grades out to be a franchise quarterback. I guess you could cross your fingers you find a Russell Wilson. But what are the realistic odds?

So far going with Goff for one more season and crossing your fingers he corrects whatever the issues are seems like the best possible option. But that is not what this thread is about. So if we're not going with him next season, I would probably consider drafting the best available quarterback with our first pick and cross my fingers he's better than the scouts predicted.

[Elvis]

BTW, i joked about this earlier but since both of their contracts make them virtually uncuttable and untradeable, how 'bout a straight up trade, Goff for Wentz?

[actionjack]

I'd think if we really were moving on from Goff, McVay would want a vet similar to Goff but more to his liking. Maybe Cousins, Stafford, Ryan, someone like that who could theoretically step in day one and run the offense at a high level.

Any rookie would take some developing and i'd think McVay (and the Rams) would want immediate returns if they made a change...

Agreed, the Rams need to win now with AD and Ramsey. I think the only move to make would be Watson, if that isnt possible than you just have to improve protection, get a downfield threat and coach up Goff.

I thought it was telling in his final pressor that McVay admitted to basically missing Brandon Cooks presence.

[Haden]

BTW, i joked about this earlier but since both of their contracts make them virtually uncuttable and untradeable, how 'bout a straight up trade, Goff for Wentz?

I'd rather get a colonoscopy. Goff showed tons of guts playing with the broken thumb. He won me over. Get him a decent o-line

[snackdaddy]

Agreed, the Rams need to win now with AD and Ramsey. I think the only move to make would be Watson, if that isnt possible than you just have to improve protection, get a downfield threat and coach up Goff.

I thought it was telling in his final pressor that McVay admitted to basically missing Brandon Cooks presence.

I would agree. If someone like Watson is not happening, I think we have to stick with Goff for one more season. We know when he's got time he can be as good as anyone. If they can find a way to improve the protection, through schemes or free agency, I think that is the best bet. I'm not a fan of hoping a rookie makes an immediate impact. Its fine if they draft a guy with eyes on the future with him. But inexperience was our biggest problem in 2019.

They don't need a free agent speedster to stretch the field. There have been numerous day 2 rookies who have done well in that role over the years. Find a speedster who doesn't have terrible hands in the 3rd round.

They should have at least two, maybe up to 4 picks in the 3rd round from Fowler and Littleton leaving. Snead could package one or two of those, or one with a 4th to move into the second round. Or higher up in the 3rd. With 4 picks he should he have options. There should be some speed receivers in the top 75.

[actionjack]

I would agree. If someone like Watson is not happening, I think we have to stick with Goff for one more season. We know when he's got time he can be as good as anyone. If they can find a way to improve the protection, through schemes or free agency, I think that is the best bet. I'm not a fan of hoping a rookie makes an immediate impact. Its fine if they draft a guy with eyes on the future with him. But inexperience was our biggest problem in 2019.

They don't need a free agent speedster to stretch the field. There have been numerous day 2 rookies who have done well in that role over the years. Find a speedster who doesn't have terrible hands in the 3rd round.

They should have at least two, maybe up to 4 picks in the 3rd round from Fowler and Littleton leaving. Snead could package one or two of those, or one with a 4th to move into the second round. Or higher up in the 3rd. With 4 picks he should he have options. There should be some speed receivers in the top 75.

I agree the draft is where we should find some downfield threats. I hope Van might be able to fill that role some next year, but frankly not having a speedster was a concern after the 2020 draft. Also if we could get a return specialist as well?

[AltiTude Ram]

I like the idea of a speedster/deep threat. Although, that brings us right back to the Oline and protection.

[Ramsdude]

I like the idea of a speedster/deep threat. Although, that brings us right back to the Oline and protection.

Yup. It all starts and ends with the OL. The OL is the key to a complete offense. Start there and build outward.

[actionjack]

At this point, this is what I want from Goff, perfectly said....

[/zn/]

Eisen says, what you want to see from Goff is when they're down by one score, put it on his shoulder and come through.

He's done that. Eisen is not a Rams fan so he has no reason to remember it. There's the Chiefs game in 2018. There's the championship game in 2018, on the road in New Orleans. There was the 2nd SF game in 2019--they came back twice in the 2nd half and tied it, but the defense couldn't stop 2 consecutive 3rd and 16s ( ). The Tampa game this year--it was time to win it in the final minutes so 4 JG passes take them down the field (against the 7th ranked defense on the road).

And this game? They're down by 7 in the 4th with 13:17 to go and a chance to flip the game. The defense had just stopped Rodgers for one of the few times that game. What happens on that drive? They're driving. Then a drop by Reynolds. Then a game-breaking sack right up the middle, no chance to even get out of the way. 3rd and long--a Rams team weakness (and not because of the qb) and nothin there. Next possession GB scores again, game out of reach.

Was it Goff that didn't come through on that drive?

I think the Rams offense could win a close one in that game but it was not a close one. Green Bay scored on their first 5 possessions. According to a stat I read, since the AFL/NFL merger 55 years ago only 2 other teams have done that in the playoffs (ie. of course score 5 times in their first 5 possessions). It wasn't Goff who failed to keep the game close. And as is he played well in spite of GB bringing more pressure than any McVay Rams team has faced.

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