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 by Hacksaw
5 years 6 months ago
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PARAM wrote:They showed a lower end zone angle during the game and it seemed like had Woods kept going, he's got it in stride. But who knows? Was it a bad throw, a bad route or just miscommunication?

Woods clearly stopped and Goff was throwing him open. Communication Breakdown.
I'm have a deja-vu all over again.

 by moklerman
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Hacksaw wrote:Woods clearly stopped and Goff was throwing him open. Communication Breakdown.
I'm have a deja-vu all over again.
I've seen a few other people say this and I don't see why? Goff's throw was leading Woods right into the DB. Woods rightly stopped to avoid running right into him. Ball should have been to Woods' chest or back shoulder if it was to throw him open.

 by PARAM
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AvengerRam wrote:I'd bet he could yield a 3rd or 4th round draft pick or, alternatively, might yield a decent player if the Rams were interested in some other team's expendable player.


It's all about timing. His value could be a round higher or lower depending on when/if they might trade him. A team with expectations at the right time of the season who is suddenly in need of a RT......

moklerman wrote:I've seen a few other people say this and I don't see why? Goff's throw was leading Woods right into the DB. Woods rightly stopped to avoid running right into him. Ball should have been to Woods' chest or back shoulder if it was to throw him open.


What? Woods has eyes in the back of his head? If Woods kept going it's quite possible, he's gone for a big gain with the angle the DB was on. I see a guy (DB) crashing down on Woods and with a small wiggle by Woods, he misses him.

 by moklerman
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PARAM wrote:What? Woods has eyes in the back of his head? If Woods kept going it's quite possible, he's gone for a big gain with the angle the DB was on. I see a guy (DB) crashing down on Woods and with a small wiggle by Woods, he misses him.
It's true that anything's possible but leading Woods right to where a defender can make a play isn't throwing him open. The throw did the exact opposite, it threw him into coverage.

 by Hacksaw
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moklerman wrote:I've seen a few other people say this and I don't see why? Goff's throw was leading Woods right into the DB. Woods rightly stopped to avoid running right into him. Ball should have been to Woods' chest or back shoulder if it was to throw him open.

Well cos that's what happened. That said, the db clearly read the play and was breaking on it even before Woods stopped. Apparently the db read Goff's eyes or something tipped him off. Goff needs to work on that. Which is fixable. Accuracy isn't but thankfully that isn't a problem.
Sure the db might have blown up the play if Woods had not stopped but the pick 6 imo was far worse optically and was a product of miscommunication...

moklerman wrote:It's true that anything's possible but leading Woods right to where a defender can make a play isn't throwing him open. The throw did the exact opposite, it threw him into coverage.


OK that was my way of putting it. Typically the term is 'leading him'. Bottom line is there was either going to be a big hit as the ball is caught, or Woods makes him miss and is gone.

 by snackdaddy
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moklerman wrote:It's true that anything's possible but leading Woods right to where a defender can make a play isn't throwing him open. The throw did the exact opposite, it threw him into coverage.


Throwing him into coverage means when he catches it on the run there's a defender in front of him wanting to take his head off. You need to watch it again. Its clear no one was in front of him and Diggs woulda had to tackle him from behind.

I know you will always be in the "Its Goff's fault" camp, and it still possible it was Goff's fault on the communication. We really won't know for sure. You can stick to its Goff fault and no one can prove you wrong or right. But he was definitely not throwing him into coverage.

The direction Woods was running there was no one coming to hit him directly. Diggs could hit him but from behind as soon as he catches it because he was going away from Diggs with his back to him. Diggs came from the center of the field while Woods was running to the right side of the field.

Those big hits are because a receiver catches a ball with him momentum taking him into a defender. Woods momentum was taking him away from the defender. Worst case scenario is he catches the ball and is quickly tackled from behind.

 by AvengerRam
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Pause the video (end zone shot) at :08 (point of release).

Woods is clearly running to the spot where Goff threw the ball. Had he not stopped, the only way Diggs gets to the ball would have been to go through Woods.

If you see and conclude "Goff's fault" rather than "miscommunication" (or "Woods' fault"), I don't know what to tell you.

 by PARAM
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AvengerRam wrote:If you see and conclude "Goff's fault" rather than "miscommunication" (or "Woods' fault"), I don't know what to tell you.


I do.....but refrained from that impulse. Snackdaddy had the same thing in mind and thankfully, expressed that opinion. What's amusing is on the subject of Goff, some responses are completely predictable, no matter how much the evidence is examined. Some will see what they want to see and it would seem, even if they don't, they'll convince themselves they did. At that point it's no longer a reasonable discussion but rather a campaign to discredit the facts.

 by snackdaddy
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AvengerRam wrote:Pause the video (end zone shot) at :08 (point of release).

Woods is clearly running to the spot where Goff threw the ball. Had he not stopped, the only way Diggs gets to the ball would have been to go through Woods.

If you see and conclude "Goff's fault" rather than "miscommunication" (or "Woods' fault"), I don't know what to tell you.


Depends on how you view Goff. If you've been critical and don't want to stray away from that then its Goff's fault. Unless Woods or Goff comes out and says "I screwed up" we'll never know for sure. I'm sure McVay will step in and say its his fault at that point. :lol2:

 by AvengerRam
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snackdaddy wrote:Depends on how you view Goff. If you've been critical and don't want to stray away from that then its Goff's fault. Unless Woods or Goff comes out and says "I screwed up" we'll never know for sure. I'm sure McVay will step in and say its his fault at that point. :lol2:


Or perhaps there was a second shooter on the grassy knoll who was pulling an inside job to distract from the fact that bigfoot faked the lunar landing.

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