[Hacksaw]

If Kroenke threatens to go rouge, I think that would change things, but at this point it doesn't seem he wants to go that route. Perhaps he's saving it, but I think at this point he's losing the political battle, and that could cost him his goal.

BC, just the threat of him going rogue has to be considered by the owners don't you think? Him making a statement that he wouldn't go rogue is interesting in itself as it establishes a M.O. prior to any more current events.
I'd prefer he get a LA nod with the blessing of all, but I guess that might be a bit naive to think possible. I think it premature to say that politics are lost since I've only heard from a couple of owners and what they want us to hear for their cause.

He could probably pull this off... unless he really is Mr, Wal-mart?
Stan Kroenke, you are on the clock.

[bluecoconuts]

If Kroenke threatens to go rouge, I think that would change things, but at this point it doesn't seem he wants to go that route. Perhaps he's saving it, but I think at this point he's losing the political battle, and that could cost him his goal.

BC, just the threat of him going rogue has to be considered by the owners don't you think? Him making a statement that he wouldn't go rogue is interesting in itself as it establishes a M.O. prior to any more current events.
I'd prefer he get a LA nod with the blessing of all, but I guess that might be a bit naive to think possible. I think it premature to say that politics are lost since I've only heard from a couple of owners and what they want us to hear for their cause.

He could probably pull this off... unless he really is Mr, Wal-mart?
Stan Kroenke, you are on the clock.

If he doesn't put the idea into their heads, then I don't think they're going to factor that in. Even if he does, if they're confident in their abilities to win then they may go ahead anyway. Kroenke may elect not to go rouge because he may feel that he doesn't have a good enough chance at winning to do so. There's been talks that there are more behind Spanos and Carson, however I previously I didn't think that Spanos' pull was great enough that they would vote for the lesser project and put the woefully inept Davis into the second largest market, but it appears that his pull is big enough, and Carson is solid enough for them to make that call. That doesn't mean that Kroenke is basically done, I'm sure that he has more cards to play, including buying out votes if he desires, but I would think he has an uphill battle now.

You have to think that Richardson, McNair, Davis, and Spanos are all no votes for Kroenke, regardless of if they go with Inglewood or not, just because they've made it obvious which horse they're hitching their wagon to. I'm not sure which way the chips fall, but it seems today that it's leaning towards Carson more than Inglewood. I expected at this point we would see more pro-Inglewood at this point, because I expected Inglewood to be choice by the league. I was 50/50 for a long time, but honestly I think I'm falling back to about 40% the Rams leave and 60% they stay. I don't believe that Stan will buy into St Louis, and I think he'd more likely look to move somewhere else (which is a card he can play, "You guys may block me from LA, but if you think that St Louis is that important, too bad, I wont stay there") although he could with the Maryland Heights land he purchased, but I'm leaning towards LA being the home of the Raiders and Chargers at this point. How things change in the coming weeks is anyones guess.

[Elvis]

http://fox5sandiego.com/2015/12/16/nfl- ... san-diego/

NFL owner cancels meeting with Faulconer after making controversial comments about San Diego

POSTED 5:04 PM, DECEMBER 16, 2015, BY FOX 5 DIGITAL TEAM

SAN DIEGO — A planned meeting Thursday between San Diego Mayor Kevin Faulconer and Houston Texans owner Bob McNair has been canceled, the mayor’s office confirmed Wednesday.

McNair sits on a committee of National Football League team owners who are looking at relocating a franchise to Los Angeles.

Faulconer, who has met individually with other committee members, was planning to travel to travel to Houston to discuss San Diego’s plan to build a stadium in Mission Valley in an effort to keep the Chargers from heading north.

The cancellation came hours after the Houston Chronicle published comments by McNair that follow the NFL’s recent line that time is running out for cities to make an offer that will be acceptable to owners, if they want to keep their teams.

“They’re saying they’re going to do something now. But in order to do it, they’d have to have a referendum and the referendum isn’t until next June,” McNair told the newspaper about San Diego officials. “Well, we can’t have these teams in limbo. You need to have certainty and you don’t know if the referendum would pass or fail. We can’t take what they’re saying very seriously.”

His remarks were prefaced with comments that could stir up controversy in San Diego.

“In San Diego, they’ve been trying for about 15 years,” McNair said. “They’ve had all kinds of political problems there. At one time, half the council went to jail or something. It’s been pretty bad. It’s hard to negotiate when you’ve got to go to the jail to negotiate. So they haven’t accomplished anything.”

In 2003, then-City Councilmen Ralph Inzunza, Charles Lewis III and Michael Zucchet were indicted on wire fraud and conspiracy to commit wire fraud charges for allegedly taking money from associates of a strip club owner to help repeal the city’s “no touch” nude dancing ordinance. There were eight council members at the time.

Lewis died the next year. Inzunza and Zucchet were found guilty in 2005 and resigned, but Zucchet’s convictions were later overturned.

“It appears Mr. McNair has been provided grossly inaccurate and outdated information about San Diego,” said mayoral spokesman Craig Gustafson.

“The city has completely new leadership in the mayor’s office, city attorney’s office and City Council, and has worked for nearly a decade to get our city back on track,” Gustafson said. “Mr. McNair canceled a meeting with the mayor scheduled for Thursday, so the mayor’s office has directly informed NFL management that his comments are not factually accurate.”

The Chargers have long wanted new digs to replacing aging Qualcomm Stadium, and have acquired land in Carson, in Los Angeles County, to build their own facility if they can’t reach a deal to stay in San Diego. The Raiders, in the same boat in Oakland, could join the Chargers in Carson.

The owner of the St. Louis Rams is eyeing a move to land he controls in Inglewood, also in Los Angeles County. The owners could begin making decisions on which team, or teams, will move at a meeting scheduled for Jan. 12-13 in Houston.

McNair’s comments came four days before the Chargers host the Miami Dolphins in what could be their final home game in San Diego.

[BuiltRamTough]

Dam that's cold^

[azramsfan93]

McNair is dumb as a fence post.

[RedAlice]

These are from whatever day that article came out. I guess we can see how out of touch with reality some of the LA committee is - Spanos is talking worse about San Diego than we even knew.

Marty Caswell ‏@MartyCaswell 2h2 hours ago
McNair to Hou Chron on Charger/SD issues "They’ve had all kinds of political problems.At one time half the council went to jail or something

Marty Caswell ‏@MartyCaswell 2h2 hours ago
McNair on why Chargers can't get deal done "It’s hard to negotiate when you’ve got to go to the jail to negotiate." He's on LA committee???

Marty Caswell ‏@MartyCaswell 2h2 hours ago
Can someone please get word to Bob McNair & rest of the LA committee that no one from SD city council is currently in jail?

[Hacksaw]

Tails.
It looks pretty certain Dick'son and McNair are fully behind Spanos and are now defaming San Diego. And to San Diego reporters to boot. This kind of behavior is not very benevolent and puts a bad face on the league as a whole. Or are they trying to distance themselves from Americas finest city? Are McNair and Richardson following Fabiani's script to poison the well? What is their intent?

Why are the NFL executive offices allowing this? They've had enough bad PR haven't they? And what good does releasing this do anyone other than to infuriate a fan base and create a cloud of bad will towards an NFL city.

I think it is pretty clear that San Diego is screwed if the NFL allows this to happen by other owners than Spanos himself. The "15 years" and "jail" comments are likely for mass public consumption so that when the NFL approves Spano's move, people will understand why even if it's not truth, or at least relevant anymore.

Unfortunately for Kroenke, Spanos has been a loser because of himself as well, so he had to team up with another loser to be big enough to get into the game. And because he can't go it alone, Kroenke could be the odd man out.

Heads:
Their entire proposal is fraught with problems so it will be a long time before anything actually get's built. If at all. Realignment of divisions and screwing the 2nd wealthiest owner in the league just doesn't seem like a palatable outcome to anyone.
I do not think for one minute that these owners don't understand all of this thoroughly now.

Kroenkes plan is vastly superior to that of Carson. His financial stability and owning the legacy team is a dream come true for NFL execs and owners alike. They won't dismiss that lightly.

After every NFL owners meeting, you hear a buzz about Inglewood. Then in between meetings, and especially leading up to subsequent meetings and votes by govt agencies, you hear all this noise about Carson. It's obvious that the Inglewood opponents are trying to sway public opinion and perhaps it somehow trickles down to the voters and owners. But the timing makes it obvious that it is a bunch of rhetoric being created by those opponents because nothing is solid on their end. At least yet.

ESK isn't getting the slam dunk that he wanted. I'm surprised that the open locker room (reserved for Spanos) in LA isn't more of a priority. Or at least appearing like one right now.
We are all intelligent men and lady around here and the scenarios we have seen through the trees makes the most sense.
But it looks like Spanos is gathering enough support for the league to bend over on that.

I still do not think that Kroenke will be left to be a NFL nomad after this is all said and done. He has too many options and a lot of power. He's invested over $100M in LA. He likely has the law on his side too but that is not a certainty.

Let's not forget that this committee is comprised of 6 owners. Only 2 have been vocal against Stan. That in of itself seems dubious.
And reports like Cole's cuts deeper as it talks of these same guys who are against SD, now being for StL. We would have to believe that their findings and recommendations will now have less impact as they are obviously biased. Everyone should be able to see this even if they dismiss it.
Juicing up StLoo after all the dastardly business they have committed there can't be lost on them either.

So I still feel that Inglewood will happen. The NFL will appear to everyone outside of San Diego that they gave them their best shot. They will work something out with Oakland and Spanos will get his way and have more say and revenue in the Inglewood project. Not everyone will be as happy as they could be, but no one is going to be pissed either.

[Stranger]

http://fox5sandiego.com/2015/12/16/nfl-owner-cancels-meeting-with-faulconer-after-making-controversial-comments-about-san-diego/

NFL owner cancels meeting with Faulconer after making controversial comments about San Diego

POSTED 5:04 PM, DECEMBER 16, 2015, BY FOX 5 DIGITAL TEAM

SAN DIEGO — A planned meeting Thursday between San Diego Mayor Kevin Faulconer and Houston Texans owner Bob McNair has been canceled, the mayor’s office confirmed Wednesday.

McNair sits on a committee of National Football League team owners who are looking at relocating a franchise to Los Angeles.

Faulconer, who has met individually with other committee members, was planning to travel to travel to Houston to discuss San Diego’s plan to build a stadium in Mission Valley in an effort to keep the Chargers from heading north.

The cancellation came hours after the Houston Chronicle published comments by McNair that follow the NFL’s recent line that time is running out for cities to make an offer that will be acceptable to owners, if they want to keep their teams.

“They’re saying they’re going to do something now. But in order to do it, they’d have to have a referendum and the referendum isn’t until next June,” McNair told the newspaper about San Diego officials. “Well, we can’t have these teams in limbo. You need to have certainty and you don’t know if the referendum would pass or fail. We can’t take what they’re saying very seriously.”

His remarks were prefaced with comments that could stir up controversy in San Diego.

“In San Diego, they’ve been trying for about 15 years,” McNair said. “They’ve had all kinds of political problems there. At one time, half the council went to jail or something. It’s been pretty bad. It’s hard to negotiate when you’ve got to go to the jail to negotiate. So they haven’t accomplished anything.”

In 2003, then-City Councilmen Ralph Inzunza, Charles Lewis III and Michael Zucchet were indicted on wire fraud and conspiracy to commit wire fraud charges for allegedly taking money from associates of a strip club owner to help repeal the city’s “no touch” nude dancing ordinance. There were eight council members at the time.

Lewis died the next year. Inzunza and Zucchet were found guilty in 2005 and resigned, but Zucchet’s convictions were later overturned.

“It appears Mr. McNair has been provided grossly inaccurate and outdated information about San Diego,” said mayoral spokesman Craig Gustafson.

“The city has completely new leadership in the mayor’s office, city attorney’s office and City Council, and has worked for nearly a decade to get our city back on track,” Gustafson said. “Mr. McNair canceled a meeting with the mayor scheduled for Thursday, so the mayor’s office has directly informed NFL management that his comments are not factually accurate.”

The Chargers have long wanted new digs to replacing aging Qualcomm Stadium, and have acquired land in Carson, in Los Angeles County, to build their own facility if they can’t reach a deal to stay in San Diego. The Raiders, in the same boat in Oakland, could join the Chargers in Carson.

The owner of the St. Louis Rams is eyeing a move to land he controls in Inglewood, also in Los Angeles County. The owners could begin making decisions on which team, or teams, will move at a meeting scheduled for Jan. 12-13 in Houston.

McNair’s comments came four days before the Chargers host the Miami Dolphins in what could be their final home game in San Diego.

One set of disgusting sharks battling it out with another set of disgusting sharks. While I can't wait for this to be over, at least the public now gets a peek into how disgusting all of these people really are.

[Hacksaw]

No kidding Stranger. But at the end of the day, I think they will either willingly do the right thing or be compelled to. Now a feeding frenzy would be cool where they just all ate each other.. Burp.

[Elvis]

This stuff is pretty nerve wracking, but it's also a lot of fun.

We can all talk about and figure out the smart thing, the right thing, see through the rhetoric and smoke but even if we are the smart ones, even if we're 100% correct in our analysis, are the owners smart and rational?

Is Dean Spanos smart? Was Georgia?

Not all of the owners got where they are through being good businessmen.

Some of them got to be owners the old fashioned way: They inherited it...