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You wanted Wentz lol. You posted it on the herd. Now you wanted Goff?

Nope.

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by /ZN/ Wed Apr 27, 2016

And for the record, although at first I favored CW and still think he would be a good pick, since the trade I have been saying I think Goff will be the pick and that I think he has some Warner/ Brady/ Montana style traits and intangibles which I prize.

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zn
April 25, 2016

I started out favoring Wentz but now I think that has to do with me just knowing less about Goff initially.

With Goff, I would be watching for something different. I would be watching to see how soon he would manifest the Warner/ Brady/ Montana traits I see in him in college games.

[R4L]

Nope.

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Ok man lol. You were bummed when they didn't get Wentz. I notice all those replies say you favored Wentz first. Maybe that's it. Then you changed you tune when they got Goff.

Like i told Mokler, i wanted Wentz also. No shame in that.

[Hacksaw]

I was in the Wentz camp too. Bigger, stronger, older, runner, gamer type. Ready to go out of the box.

Goff was a skinny green little kid who had a great arm but was from a program that (at the time) allegedly didn't translate well to the NFL. Since 2016, I've only seen improvement every season with him under center until 2019. His accuracy is uncanny and his cool demeanor has really grown on me.

In hindsight I was wrong even if the media loves CW and seemingly dislikes Goff.

[/zn/]

Ok man lol. You were bummed when they didn't get Wentz. I notice all those replies say you favored Wentz first. Maybe that's it. Then you changed you tune when they got Goff.

Like i told Mokler, i wanted Wentz also. No shame in that.

Lol. I have to explain this?

The draft was April 28th.

Those posts are from the 25th and 27th.

Sorry you're just wrong.

[/zn/]

I know that I was surprised that the Rams took him. Just didn't seem to fit anything Jeff Fisher had ever done. Wentz did.

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McNair was the best qb to take when the Titans wanted one and were picking high. That's all there was to that--best qb available that year. As a model for future picks, all he represented was "if you have a chance take the best one." There was no template or absolute model for a "Fisher qb." Vince Young wasn't even Fisher's pick. The qb who played for him the longest after McNair and Young was Kerry Collins (32 starts), a guy who unlike Young JF actually wanted. Collins was nothing like McNair.

Wentz would have been a good pick, obviously, except for health issues. But Goff is a great pure passer. His signature plays are much more subtle--usually involving freaky accuracy on big plays. His best days are ahead of him.

[moklerman]

Yeah i was just giving zn the business a little lol. I have to admit, i wanted Wentz also. Like you said, he was more of a Fisher type QB. Now, Wentz doesn't look very good.

I don't think there's anything wrong with Wentz and I imagine the Rams wouldn't be any worse off if they'd taken him. Wentz isn't back to his MVP level of play but he also hasn't had bupkis to work with this year. Put Wentz in LA and Goff in Philly and I think Wentz would be doing as well as Goff has.

[moklerman]

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McNair was the best qb to take when the Oilers/Titans wanted one and were picking high. That's all there was to that--best qb available that year. As a model for future picks, all he represented was "if you have a chance take the best one." There was no template or absolute model for a "Fisher qb." Vince Young wasn't even Fisher's pick. The qb who played for him the longest after McNair and Young was Kerry Collins (32 starts), a guy who unlike Young JF actually wanted.

Wentz would have been a good pick, obviously, except for health issues. But Goff is a great pure passer. His signature plays are much more subtle--usually involving freaky accuracy on big plays. His best days are ahead of him.

Fisher needed a QB that could create and produce off script. His offense were predicated on running first and foremost and the passing game was there to bail out the drive when/if the running game couldn't get it done. That is much more of what Wentz is good for. Goff is an on-script, rhythm passer which is the antithesis of how Fisher approached the passing game.

You're right that Collins was Fisher's choice more than Young but IMO, he took the most statuesque QB possible out of spite, more than any real need or fit at the position. He was pissed that Young was forced on him and probably wanted to prove that his way, which was just whatever the opposite of Young, would work.

[/zn/]

Fisher needed a QB that could create and produce off script. His offense were predicated on running first and foremost and the passing game was there to bail out the drive when/if the running game couldn't get it done. That is much more of what Wentz is good for. Goff is an on-script, rhythm passer which is the antithesis of how Fisher approached the passing game.

You're right that Collins was Fisher's choice more than Young but IMO, he took the most statuesque QB possible out of spite, more than any real need or fit at the position. He was pissed that Young was forced on him and probably wanted to prove that his way, which was just whatever the opposite of Young, would work.

I don't buy any of that. There's a lot of mind reading there on your part. It's just the "mind-reader's" own surmises written up as if they were real truths.

Either way they (Fisher and Snead) preferred Goff and that was confirmed for us by a number of sources (along of course with the fact that they actually picked him.)

[aeneas1]

You're right that Collins was Fisher's choice more than Young but IMO, he took the most statuesque QB possible out of spite, more than any real need or fit at the position. He was pissed that Young was forced on him and probably wanted to prove that his way, which was just whatever the opposite of Young, would work.

not sure fisher preferred collins as much as he just didn't like young, and i think a lot of that had to do with fisher believing that you needed to earn your stripes in the nfl, not just stroll in as a hot shot top 3 pick and be given the job, hell fisher had mcnair ride pine behind friggin' chandler for two years, and i think fisher pulled the same shit with goff, including dressing goff in civies in front of his family on opening day against the niners, as keenum posted a 34.2 rating (which was better than he actually looked that night, i was there) as the niners, gabbert and chip kicked the shit out of the rams 28-0... friggin' fisher.

[moklerman]

I don't buy any of that. There's a lot of mind reading there on your part. It's just the "mind-reader's" own surmises written up as if they were real truths.

Either way they (Fisher and Snead) preferred Goff and that was confirmed for us by a number of sources (along of course with the fact that they actually picked him.)

In how many ways do I have to say that it's my opinion before you don't take it as being stated as "truth"?