[Horny Mcbae]

Suh and Sullivan are now teammates. Lol.

[moklerman]

good grief ....

the afl, prior to the 1970 merger:

patriots
broncos
dolphins
raiders
bills
bengals
chiefs (dallas texans)
chargers
titans (houston oilers)
jets (new your titans)

- 100% of these teams have reached the super bowl.
- 60% of these teams have won the super bowl.
- combined, these teams account for 39 super bowl appearances, or 3.9 appearances per afl team.
- 40% of these teams (patriots, broncos, dolphins and raiders) account for 72% of afl super bowl appearances.

the 22 non-afl teams?

- 82% have reached the super bowl.
- 63% have won the super bowl.
- combined, these teams account for 65 super bowl appearances, or 3.0 appearances per non-afl team.
- 40% of these teams (cowboys, steelers, niners, redskins, packers, giants, vikings, colts and eagles) account for 73% of non-afl super bowl appearances.

honestly dude, what color is the sky in your world?

I'm not sure what HJ29 meant, but going by his statement "the original AFL...aside from Pats, Raiders and Broncos" leaves the Jets, Bills, Oilers, Chargers and Chiefs. Maybe he meant the AFL at the time of the merger but that's not actually what he said. Since he mentions the Dolphins later and not as part of the original 8, I assume his point was about the actual first 8 teams that started the AFL.

In which case, the 5 teams he points out, have won just 1 Super Bowl out of the 56 played(Jets).

[haroldjackson29]

good grief ....

the afl, prior to the 1970 merger:

patriots
broncos
dolphins
raiders
bills
bengals
chiefs (dallas texans)
chargers
titans (houston oilers)
jets (new your titans)

- 100% of these teams have reached the super bowl.
- 60% of these teams have won the super bowl.
- combined, these teams account for 39 super bowl appearances, or 3.9 appearances per team.
- 40% of these teams (patriots, broncos, dolphins and raiders) account for 72% of the afl super bowl appearances.

the 22 non-afl teams?

- 82% have reached the super bowl.
- 63% have won the super bowl.
- combined, these teams account for 65 super bowl appearances, or 3.0 appearances per team.
- 40% of these teams (cowboys, steelers, niners, redskins, packers, giants, vikings, colts and eagles) account for 73% of the non-afl super bowl appearances.

honestly dude, what color is the sky in your world?

you miss the point again.
Bengals and Dolphins are not original AFL teams. they were outside expansion approved by nfl. Miami is debatable but only gives the afl two more wins...and 3 more losses
you really arent aware whats being talked about in this case. ( the league already knew it was merging before 1966 so it was the nfl that approved Miami and not the afl.

40% of these teams (cowboys, steelers, niners, redskins, packers, giants, vikings, colts and eagles) account for 73% of the non-afl super bowl appearances.

yes, i already made the point that the majority of SBs were won by original NFL teams.

original AFL teams have only won 13 SB's while appearing in only 31 of 52,. depending on your classification of the Titans/oilers. and of course only the Broncos,Pats, Raiders have had most of those.
put Miami in the afl and its 15 SB's wins.. still a small number in 36 tries (lol 15 of 52)(3 miami losses.
the afl is still bowing down to the nfl for what ever corporate reason.
notice how no original afl team was moved to the nfl/nfc side, yet. Only expansion teams that came later. Its amazing how organized they are in keeping the afL as a subservient whipping boy this long.

[aeneas1]

I'm not sure what HJ29 meant, but going by his statement "the original AFL...aside from Pats, Raiders and Broncos" leaves the Jets, Bills, Oilers, Chargers and Chiefs. Maybe he meant the AFL at the time of the merger but that's not actually what he said. Since he mentions the Dolphins later and not as part of the original 8, I assume his point was about the actual first 8 teams that started the AFL.

In which case, the 5 teams he points out, have won just 1 Super Bowl out of the 56 played(Jets).

the afl isn't a complicated conversation, nor is the super bowl participation history of teams that started in the afl... if someone wants to exclude the bengals and dolphins from the afl in an effort to support a ridiculous claim, i.e. include just 8 afl teams instead of 10, it still doesn't wash...

super bowl appearances:
- afl (8 teams) - 32
- nfl (22 teams) - 65

super bowl appearances per team:
- afl (8 teams) - 4.0 appearances per afl team.
- nfl (22 teams) - 3.0 appearances per nfl team.

super bowl wins per team:
- afl (8 teams) - 1.3 super bowl wins per afl team.
- nfl (22 teams) - 1.7 super bowl wins per nfl team.

percentage of league, percentage of super bowl appearances:
- afl (pats, broncos, radiers) - 38% of afl teams, 72% of afl super bowl appearances.
- nfl (cowboys, steelers, niners, redskins, packers, giants, vikings, colts) - 36% of nfl teams, 70% of nfl super bowl appearances.

remaining percentage of league, percentage of super bowl appearances:
- afl (bills, chiefs (texans), titans (oilers), jets (titans), chargers - 63% of afl teams, 28% of afl super bowl appearances.
- nfl (eagles, seahawks, rams bears, ravens, panthers, falcons, cards, saints, bucs, browns, texans, lions, jags) - 64% of nfl teams, 30% of nfl super bowl appearances.

but according to hj29:

the original afl has a horrible SB history aside from the Pats,Raiders,Broncos.

bottom line, the afl has the same super bowl success rate history as the nfl, when accounting for the disparity of team count in each league... h29 tried to claim that the chargers don't count (nor the jets for that matter) when looking at his whack-job conspiracy theory that teams getting new stadiums get good overnight - his argument (ha ha) is they (bolts, jets) don't count because afl teams, outside of a handful, suck when it comes to making it to the super bowl while, presumably, nfl teams don't.

anyhoo, i can't believe i wasted my (our) time on this, in this epic news thread no less, the firggin' rams landed suh, wtf, should we now call our guys in horns the los angeles yankees?

[aeneas1]

according to spotrac:

[/zn/]

according to spotrac:

I think they're wrong about 2019 and 2020.

My understanding is that Austin voided his entire contract and did a 1 year for of course this year.

If that's the case, then, counting Austin against the cap in 2019 and 2020 is an error.

So if that is the case, then, the Rams have 9 M more in space each year.


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[ramsfan1977]

IMO, Rams and Niners will be SNF!

[RedAlice]

IMO, Rams and Niners will be SNF!

SNF or MNF.

The @SF could be a MNF game.

A game Rams win.

[St. Loser Fan]

Lots of bitterness here in St. Louis. The Rams have made more good moves in the last few weeks than they did the entire last decade here.

The AM sports radio station just spent two segments on this. Lots of angry calls.

[aeneas1]