[max]

Enh. Slight of hand. That's just a blip. No one ever said (or ever would say) that consistency means flat line identical numbers. That's a complete red herring and straw man mixed into one. Max was talking about groups of games on either side of the variance.

Here's the thing and try to respond to it straight on, without mixing things up or going off topic, or clouding the issue. After a strong initial 11 games (with one blip against Denver) Goff ended the season with 5 of 8 final games where he played below average. THAT is the kind of inconsistency that is being described. A 2 game comparison from Ryan in 2013 does not answer that. It's not the same.

Let's look at Ryan in 2013. He had 3 games total that year that are below the 80 threshold. The one game v. one game "variance" of 100 you remark on is meaningless. (It's not the same as Goff's groups of games--10 at 100 and above v. 6 at below 80, with 5 of those 6 coming in a bunch in the last 8 games.) The REAL (lower level) variance for Ryan that year is 7 games at 90 or above v. 3 games below 80, with those 3 coming in the middle of the season.

Now would you describe that as heavily inconistent on Ryan's part? Cause if you would, 2018 with Goff is far more pronounced...ie. it's worse. If to you that is normal unremarkable ups and downs in good qb play, then Goff in 2018 did not reach that. And we want him to and he can this year.

And besides we want Goff to be better than Ryan anyway. I would not describe Ryan as a top 5-6 type qb, though he is top 10, and on top of it he lacks the clutch gene we already know Goff has.

We want Goff to sustain his play through the season. Consistency in that case does not mean identical numbers every game---that's that bad marriage between a red herring and a straw man I was talking about. Odds are no one ever does that and it's not what is being discussed.

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wait. Thats way too logical. No one will agree with that.

[aeneas1]

Well you need to do a little more research Max. Matt Ryan had a variance of over 100 in back to back games in 2013. Truth is, if a QB is good enough to register a perfect rating, he got a very good chance to have a 100 or more discrepancy in that season.

Consistency? No, just the numbers.

in 2006 rivers booked a 12.4 qb rating and a 136.0 qb rating, he also led the bolts to a 14-2 season, first in offensive scoring and made the pro bowl... in 2014 aaron rodgers booked a 34.3 qb rating and a 154.5 qb rating, he also led the packers to a 12-4 record, 3rd in offensive scoring, made the pro bowl and all-pro honors, lots of examples of big name qbs posting huge qb rating variances... how someone could possibly think that it was meaningful in any shape or form is pretty tough for me to understand, unless of course they're looking for anything, absolutely anything, to bolster whatever it is they're trying to float.

[aeneas1]

So Max wants Gurley knee injury to be real and for Goff to be a bust.
Good lord, I thought this was a place for Rams fans to discuss.

perfect.

[/zn/]

in 2006 rivers booked a 12.4 qb rating and a 136.0 qb rating, he also led the bolts to a 14-2 season, first in offensive scoring and made the pro bowl... in 2014 aaron rodgers booked a 34.3 qb rating and a 154.5 qb rating, he also led the packers to a 12-4 record, 3rd in offensive scoring, made the pro bowl and all-pro honors, lots of examples of big name qbs posting huge qb rating variances... how someone could possibly think that it was meaningful in any shape or form is pretty tough for me to understand, unless of course they're looking for anything, absolutely anything, to bolster whatever it is they're trying to float.

Again---no one is talking about a one-game v. one-game variance. In fact no one WOULD talk about a one game v. one game variance, since there's no good reason to do that. It's a complete red-herring . If you are going to use variance, it's groups of games v. groups of games...otherwise it doesn't mean anything. Either way that's what's being discussed with Goff.

Here's the real variance with Rivers from 2006. He had 4 games below the 80 threshold, with 2 of those grouped together at the end. Against that, he has 10 games at 90 or above. It's the same with Rivers in 2013. If that counts as a pronounced inconsistent season, then Goff in 2018 is worse (in terms of numbers of games below 80 and when they happen). If that counts as normal for a good qb, then Goff has not reached that yet.

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[max]

So Max wants Gurley knee injury to be real and for Goff to be a bust.
Good lord, I thought this was a place for Rams fans to discuss.

The idea here is to have open minded discussions that considers not only the positives but also potential negatives.

You want pure homer talk? Put me on ignore cause you’ll never get pure homer talk from me.

You want probing discussions that consider potential issues that could cause us problems then count me in.

[/zn/]

So Max wants Gurley knee injury to be real and for Goff to be a bust.
Good lord, I thought this was a place for Rams fans to discuss.

Slamming a fellow fan as opposed to having a real argument? That's all too easy to do but doesn't really accomplish anything, except raise the tension level.

I think it goes without saying that discussion, which is what you say you want, includes allowing for the fact that people see some things differently...without pretending to question the other guy's fandom.

That's my 2 cents on that. Obviously I can't do anything about it if you keep it up.

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[max]

Again---no one is talking about a one-game v. one-game variance. In fact no one WOULD talk about a one game v. one game variance, since there's no good reason to do that. It's a complete red-herring . If you are going to use variance, it's groups of games v. groups of games...otherwise it doesn't mean anything. Either way that's what's being discussed with Goff.

Here's the real variance with Rivers from 2006. He had 4 games below the 80 threshold, with 2 of those grouped together at the end. Against that, he has 10 games at 90 or above. It's the same with Rivers in 2013. If that counts as a pronounced inconsistent season, then Goff in 2018 is worse (in terms of numbers of games below 80 and when they happen). If that counts as normal for a good qb, then Goff has not reached that yet.

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It’s no use, zn. You’re talking to a brick wall.

[aeneas1]

Again---no one is talking about a one-game v. one-game variance.

get a glove.

How about the simple fact that Goff had a variance of 139.2 rating points (158.3-19.1) from his best game to his worst game. When was the last time a QB did that in a single season.

[max]

get a glove.

zn should have said no one is talking EXCLUSIVELY about a one game to one game variance.

As I said, that is only one element of the story. Just a piece of a bigger puzzle. But you knew that.

[Elvis]

Any analysis that treats a perfect passer rating as a negative because it increases variance makes zero sense to me...