by Rams Dominate 8 years 10 months ago Total posts: 240 Joined: May 27 2015 Monterey Peninsula Rookie Re: The Dodgers POST #301 Did you watch the game Snackdaddy? Vinny sounded like Archers agent, he went on & on & on about this guy & had to mention the 2 runs that were scored weren't Archers', just the way Vinny was talking I think Archer is a slam dunk...Dodgers win 3-2, remain 2 1/2 games behind the Giants... by Rams Dominate 8 years 10 months ago Total posts: 240 Joined: May 27 2015 Monterey Peninsula Rookie Re: The Dodgers POST #302 Trade deadline is Monday so we'll see said the blind man...I just read on Dodgers.com that the team as a whole wants management to make a trade for for pitching, now Sales name is being discussed by the players & apparently Matt Kemp could come home, hope that means bye bye injury prone Puig... by Rams Dominate 8 years 10 months ago Total posts: 240 Joined: May 27 2015 Monterey Peninsula Rookie Re: The Dodgers POST #303 Trade deadline is Monday so we'll see said the blind man...I just read on Dodgers.com that the team as a whole wants management to make a trade for pitching, now Sales name is being discussed by the players & apparently Matt Kemp could come home, hope that means bye bye injury prone Puig... by snackdaddy 8 years 10 months ago Total posts: 10039 Joined: May 30 2015 Merced California Hall of Fame Re: The Dodgers POST #304 TOPIC AUTHOR There's also talk about a 3 way trade bringing Jay Bruce to the LA. That would give them a legit HR hitter in the middle of the lineup. He's got 25 HR"S and 79 RBI's with two months to left. I'd love to see them swing that deal. Dodgers are playing well and still in the thick of things without Kershaw. One game behind the slumping Giants now. Giants had bases loaded and no outs and they hit into a triple play last night. That was great to see the wind taken out of their sails. Dodgers gave up a 3 run lead, then came back from 4 behind to win it last night. Offense has been playing well. Different guys chipping in every night. I'd love to see them swing a deal for Bruce and a quality starter. Maybe another bullpen guy would be good too. I still get nervous when they go to the pen. They gave up some runs last night. by Rams Dominate 8 years 10 months ago Total posts: 240 Joined: May 27 2015 Monterey Peninsula Rookie Re: The Dodgers POST #305 I hear you sd, that 7th inning was fun to watch I had the wind taken out of my sails after the Snakes scored 7 but we came right back to re-take the lead for good, a team victory...I read on Dodgers .com about the Bruce trade, it was more of a mention than something likely to happen. I also read the answer from the Chairman about the chatter Puig will be traded, his answer? Not likely...With the way our team is hitting I would rather see a starter & bullpen guy than another bat, but I don't get a vote...Great win last night, the Snakes have a 0-1 pitcher going against Kazmir tonight, hope we stay on this roll & the Giants stay on theirs, unbelievable, Giants load the bases, nobody out, down 4-1 in the 9th & hit into a triple play! Wow ! by maxxx power 8 years 10 months ago Total posts: 1016 Joined: Jan 13 2016 Norcal Pro Bowl Re: The Dodgers POST #306 As an A's fan I can tell you that you will enjoy Reddick. GREAT fielder/arm. Inconsistent bat. Streaky. But he's hot right now. Plays the game the right way. A fan favorite and he will be missed for sure.Hill having a very good year but sidelined lately by a blister. A BLISTER! Drsydale is spinning in his grave.Any info on Montas, Cotton or Holmes?Also, FOR THE LOVE OF ALL THAT IS HOLY PLEASE DESTROY THE GIANTS. They must never win another World Series. Self-Appointed Rams Historian RFU Season Ticket Holder by Rams Dominate 8 years 10 months ago Total posts: 240 Joined: May 27 2015 Monterey Peninsula Rookie Re: The Dodgers POST #307 Hey maxxx power, just saw this sorry I didn't answer sooner & about time I welcomed you altho I've seen your name on RRF...If you want to read about the 3 prospects you guys got go to www.dodgers.com & right on the 1st page under "Top 30 prospects",you can read all about your guys you got in this trade...We also got 2 more pitchers from the Astros so we bolstered our bullpen & starting pitching...Heard good things about Reddick, gold glove winner & is hitting close to .300 right now plus he hit 32 homers a couple years ago...Blisters are pretty common for pitchers, as for Drysdale, he just came at you side arm with 96mph heat & dared you to dig in on him, ask Frank Robinson, "spinning in his grave" LMAO! by maxxx power 8 years 10 months ago Total posts: 1016 Joined: Jan 13 2016 Norcal Pro Bowl Re: The Dodgers POST #308 Rams Dominate wrote:Hey maxxx power, just saw this sorry I didn't answer sooner & about time I welcomed you altho I've seen your name on RRF...If you want to read about the 3 prospects you guys got go to http://www.dodgers.com & right on the 1st page under "Top 30 prospects",you can read all about your guys you got in this trade...We also got 2 more pitchers from the Astros so we bolstered our bullpen & starting pitching...Heard good things about Reddick, gold glove winner & is hitting close to .300 right now plus he hit 32 homers a couple years ago...Blisters are pretty common for pitchers, as for Drysdale, he just came at you side arm with 96mph heat & dared you to dig in on him, ask Frank Robinson, "spinning in his grave" LMAO!Long story short(ish) - I grew up a HUUUUGE Dodgers fan in the 70s. HUGE! I was into them hard core before the Rams as baseball was my first love. My grandma was a Dodgers fan going back to Brooklyn.My favorite player was Dusty Baker. I wore #12 because he did. I played left field because he did. I copied his batting stance. After watching us lose to the hated Yankees in 77 and 78 we FINALLY won in 81. Then Garvey to Padres. Cey and Lopes end up on Cubs. Then they jettison Dusty. I was SO pissed. I followed him to his next team - the previously despised Giants. So I was a Giants fan for a year - 1984. Then he went to Oakland for his last two years in 85 and 86 so I followed him there. I was so angry at the Dodgers still for breaking that team up.Then along comes Canseco, McGwire and an old Dodger favorite Dave Stewart. So I stayed an A's fan since then.Sometimes I wish he had retired a Giant. Then I could have at least enjoyed 3 World Series wins. Rams can come and go and they can move to Mars - I will always be a fan. But when you're a young kid and they trade away the guy you've loved your whole life what're you gonna do? Self-Appointed Rams Historian RFU Season Ticket Holder by Hacksaw_64 8 years 10 months ago Total posts: 2686 Joined: Sep 08 2015 Inglewood, CA Moderator Re: The Dodgers POST #309 maxxx power wrote:As an A's fan I can tell you that you will enjoy Reddick. GREAT fielder/arm. Inconsistent bat. Streaky. But he's hot right now. Plays the game the right way. A fan favorite and he will be missed for sure.Hill having a very good year but sidelined lately by a blister. A BLISTER! Drsydale is spinning in his grave.Any info on Montas, Cotton or Holmes?Also, FOR THE LOVE OF ALL THAT IS HOLY PLEASE DESTROY THE GIANTS. They must never win another World Series.Didn't want to part with Grant Holmes. He's the best player in the deal(former first round pick in 2014), followed closely by Montas. Montas if healthy has Kenley Jansen type stuff. Has had some control issues, but throws in the high 97-99 range. Cotton was one of the biggest rising stars in the farm last year. Not pitched as well this season. He might turn into a decent 3/4 guy in the rotation. You guys actually got three really good pitching prospects. by Hacksaw_64 8 years 10 months ago Total posts: 2686 Joined: Sep 08 2015 Inglewood, CA Moderator Re: The Dodgers POST #310 The Upside of Rich Hill Daniel Brim August 2, 2016 Yesterday the Dodgers gave up some real talent for Josh Reddick and Rich Hill, two rental players. This post is going to focus on the Rich Hill part of that deal. The Dodgers needed rotation help, and Hill obviously carries tremendous risk.He’s been battling a blister for almost a month. Before that, he had a groin injury. The last (and only) time Hill has thrown more than 100 major-league innings was in 2007. He’s had Tommy John surgery, had a shoulder labrum repaired, suffered a pronator injury, had back problems, and many muscle issues. Last year, he pitched for the Long Island Ducks, an independent league team. His indie-league debut was one year ago today.And yet, this 36-year-old left-handed pitcher could well be the best pitcher traded at this year’s deadline, and may be precisely what the Dodgers need. It’s worth looking past the risk for a moment to see what the Dodgers could get in a healthy Rich Hill.The Red Sox signed Hill out of independent league ball last August to help fill some innings as they stumbled to another last-place finish. Hill rewarded their signing with four brilliant starts, striking out 39 batters and walking five in 29 innings. He was able to get a one year, six million dollar contract from the A’s to see if that brief performance wasn’t a fluke. Jon Heyman reported that the Dodgers were interested in matching the A’s contract, but Brett Anderson accepting the qualifying offer forced their hands. Hill has done all he can to prove that he is for real this season, putting up another 76 excellent innings for Oakland. He’s walking more batters than he did in his 2015 campaign, but he’s still missing a lot of bats.If you haven’t been paying attention to the A’s or Hill (understandable) you might have missed just how great he has been. Over the last calendar year, here are MLB’s ERA- leaders with at least 100 innings pitched: Clayton Kershaw, 44 Jake Arrieta, 45 Rich Hill, 50 Madison Bumgarner, 57If you’ve read this site for long enough, you know that 100 innings of ERA isn’t particularly reliable, but Hill’s success goes beyond that. Here are MLB’s best FIP- marks among the same pitchers in the same timespan: Kershaw, 43 Jose Fernandez, 58 Hill, 59 Arrieta, 63If you want to look past even FIP, the best way to do that now is DRA, Baseball Prospectus’ pitching metric. DRA models events like the ballpark and temperature on a certain day, individual batter results, and other factors, which creates an ERA estimator. It’s a better approach to solve contact quality problems than xFIP, and has been shown to be as reliable or more reliable than FIP (though it’s more difficult to explain why a pitcher is ranked in a particular way). BP does not have a “last calendar year” split tool, but since Hill’s return his DRA- is about 76, which would rank him among the top 10 starting pitchers in either 2015 or 2016.Explaining Hill’s dominance in fundamental pitching terms is not that difficult, either. Below is a plot with all 134 pitchers with at least 70 innings this season. On the X axis is a pitcher’s in-zone swing rate (how often does a batter swing at a strike). Lower values are better. On the Y axis is a pitcher’s overall contact rate (when a batter swings, how often does he hit it). Again, lower values are better. These aren’t the only two ingredients of pitching (it wouldn’t really show control problems), but if a pitcher is good at these two things he’s on the right track. Hill is nearly on his own on the lower-left, right where a pitcher would want to be. He’s third-best in in-zone swing rate, and he’s tenth-best in overall contact rate. There aren’t really many signs in this limited sample that Hill is due to regress.This brings up the other part about Hill worth mentioning: his unique path to success. Hill has frequently been a two-pitch guy, back to his years as a bad reliever and a mediocre starter. There were years when he’d mix in a two-seam fastball, but he hasn’t relied heavily upon a slider or changeup in the entire PITCHf/x era. He would frequently tinker with release point and usage, but had trouble finding the strike zone which reduced the impact of his good strikeout rates.Hill’s latest run of dominance is his first try at being a starter since 2009. Unlike his previous attempts, he’s not really making any effort to lead with his fastball. In 2016, Hill has thrown 605 fourseam fastballs and 605 curves, to go with 100 other pitches (mostly sliders). If ever there was a case for pitching “backwards,” Hill is that case. He’s like Mike Bolsinger, if Bolsinger threw his fastball 3 mph faster and had 10 mph more separation with his curve velocity. Another Dodger comparable might be late-career Josh Beckett, but even Beckett mixed in 20% cutters and 10% changeups.The curious thing is that Hill’s repertoire change has really made his fastball play up. Among the 151 starting pitchers who have thrown at least 200 fourseam fastballs this season, here are the top whiff/swing rates: Rich Hill, 36.0% David Price, 28.9%Hill’s fastball leads starters and does so by a gigantic margin. For comparison, Clayton Kershaw is 20th at 22.5%, Jose Fernandez is 16th with 23.4%, and Noah Syndergaard is 18th with 23.1%. Rich Hill gets 1.5x more whiffs per swing on his fastball than Noah Syndergaard, who averages 99mph. If relievers are added to that list, Hill falls to a tie for second (behind Carl Edwards of the Cubs and matching Justin Wilson of the Tigers), but he’s still one spot ahead of Aroldis Chapman‘s famous 101mph offering. Hill is also inducing a higher rate of swings on his fastball than he did previously. It’s a devastating combination.Hill’s fastball is not a bad pitch at 91 from the left side and gets the benefit of excellent horizontal movement resulting from good spin. Plus, batters don’t see it as much, which can improve results if they’re sitting on the curve. Hill’s curve has a superlative spin rate which translates into the fifth-best horizontal movement and 14th-best vertical movement among starting pitchers. When betters do make contact, they hit the curve on the ground 65% of the time, enough to reduce the impact of batted balls.One potential drawback to this unique pitching style is that it may not work well as a pitcher goes through the order multiple times, but since Hill’s return the story isn’t clean: PA K% BB% BA OBP SLG1st time through 153 32.7% 8.4% .242 .327 .3612nd time through 149 24.8% 9.3% .154 .255 .2003rd time through 108 35.2% 5.6% .150 .213 .1804th time through 7 14.3% 0.0% .143 .143 .143If anything, Hill’s results get better as he goes through a lineup more than once. The strikeout/walk numbers don’t follow a pattern and the in-play results improve steadily as he goes deeper into games. Previous times through the order results do not predict future times through the order results well, but these data show that this has not been an issue for Hill so far. In his 17 post-return starts (removing the most recent blister-shortened affair), Hill has averaged more than six innings pitched per start. He has only failed to get through six innings three times. In a Dodger rotation struggling to get innings out of their starters, a healthy Hill is an outstanding leg up.When healthy, Rich Hill is one of the best pitchers in baseball, and there are no signs of rapid decline. It still could come at any moment because he’s old, but if that taper is gradual and he’s suddenly a number two starter, the Dodgers will absolutely take that. Hill has earned his performance, and is playing for what could be a sizable contract this winter. The injury risk is tremendous, he could remember that he’s old and pitch worse, but the Dodgers went and acquired the best pitcher available, warts and all.http://dodgersdigest.com/2016/08/02/the ... rich-hill/ Reply 31 / 83 1 31 83 Display: All posts1 day7 days2 weeks1 month3 months6 months1 year Sort by: AuthorPost timeSubject Sort by: AscendingDescending Jump to: Forum Rams/NFL Other Sports Rams Fans United Q&A's Board Business 821 posts Jun 23 2025 FOLLOW US @RAMSFANSUNITED Who liked this post
by Rams Dominate 8 years 10 months ago Total posts: 240 Joined: May 27 2015 Monterey Peninsula Rookie Re: The Dodgers POST #302 Trade deadline is Monday so we'll see said the blind man...I just read on Dodgers.com that the team as a whole wants management to make a trade for for pitching, now Sales name is being discussed by the players & apparently Matt Kemp could come home, hope that means bye bye injury prone Puig... by Rams Dominate 8 years 10 months ago Total posts: 240 Joined: May 27 2015 Monterey Peninsula Rookie Re: The Dodgers POST #303 Trade deadline is Monday so we'll see said the blind man...I just read on Dodgers.com that the team as a whole wants management to make a trade for pitching, now Sales name is being discussed by the players & apparently Matt Kemp could come home, hope that means bye bye injury prone Puig... by snackdaddy 8 years 10 months ago Total posts: 10039 Joined: May 30 2015 Merced California Hall of Fame Re: The Dodgers POST #304 TOPIC AUTHOR There's also talk about a 3 way trade bringing Jay Bruce to the LA. That would give them a legit HR hitter in the middle of the lineup. He's got 25 HR"S and 79 RBI's with two months to left. I'd love to see them swing that deal. Dodgers are playing well and still in the thick of things without Kershaw. One game behind the slumping Giants now. Giants had bases loaded and no outs and they hit into a triple play last night. That was great to see the wind taken out of their sails. Dodgers gave up a 3 run lead, then came back from 4 behind to win it last night. Offense has been playing well. Different guys chipping in every night. I'd love to see them swing a deal for Bruce and a quality starter. Maybe another bullpen guy would be good too. I still get nervous when they go to the pen. They gave up some runs last night. by Rams Dominate 8 years 10 months ago Total posts: 240 Joined: May 27 2015 Monterey Peninsula Rookie Re: The Dodgers POST #305 I hear you sd, that 7th inning was fun to watch I had the wind taken out of my sails after the Snakes scored 7 but we came right back to re-take the lead for good, a team victory...I read on Dodgers .com about the Bruce trade, it was more of a mention than something likely to happen. I also read the answer from the Chairman about the chatter Puig will be traded, his answer? Not likely...With the way our team is hitting I would rather see a starter & bullpen guy than another bat, but I don't get a vote...Great win last night, the Snakes have a 0-1 pitcher going against Kazmir tonight, hope we stay on this roll & the Giants stay on theirs, unbelievable, Giants load the bases, nobody out, down 4-1 in the 9th & hit into a triple play! Wow ! by maxxx power 8 years 10 months ago Total posts: 1016 Joined: Jan 13 2016 Norcal Pro Bowl Re: The Dodgers POST #306 As an A's fan I can tell you that you will enjoy Reddick. GREAT fielder/arm. Inconsistent bat. Streaky. But he's hot right now. Plays the game the right way. A fan favorite and he will be missed for sure.Hill having a very good year but sidelined lately by a blister. A BLISTER! Drsydale is spinning in his grave.Any info on Montas, Cotton or Holmes?Also, FOR THE LOVE OF ALL THAT IS HOLY PLEASE DESTROY THE GIANTS. They must never win another World Series. Self-Appointed Rams Historian RFU Season Ticket Holder by Rams Dominate 8 years 10 months ago Total posts: 240 Joined: May 27 2015 Monterey Peninsula Rookie Re: The Dodgers POST #307 Hey maxxx power, just saw this sorry I didn't answer sooner & about time I welcomed you altho I've seen your name on RRF...If you want to read about the 3 prospects you guys got go to www.dodgers.com & right on the 1st page under "Top 30 prospects",you can read all about your guys you got in this trade...We also got 2 more pitchers from the Astros so we bolstered our bullpen & starting pitching...Heard good things about Reddick, gold glove winner & is hitting close to .300 right now plus he hit 32 homers a couple years ago...Blisters are pretty common for pitchers, as for Drysdale, he just came at you side arm with 96mph heat & dared you to dig in on him, ask Frank Robinson, "spinning in his grave" LMAO! by maxxx power 8 years 10 months ago Total posts: 1016 Joined: Jan 13 2016 Norcal Pro Bowl Re: The Dodgers POST #308 Rams Dominate wrote:Hey maxxx power, just saw this sorry I didn't answer sooner & about time I welcomed you altho I've seen your name on RRF...If you want to read about the 3 prospects you guys got go to http://www.dodgers.com & right on the 1st page under "Top 30 prospects",you can read all about your guys you got in this trade...We also got 2 more pitchers from the Astros so we bolstered our bullpen & starting pitching...Heard good things about Reddick, gold glove winner & is hitting close to .300 right now plus he hit 32 homers a couple years ago...Blisters are pretty common for pitchers, as for Drysdale, he just came at you side arm with 96mph heat & dared you to dig in on him, ask Frank Robinson, "spinning in his grave" LMAO!Long story short(ish) - I grew up a HUUUUGE Dodgers fan in the 70s. HUGE! I was into them hard core before the Rams as baseball was my first love. My grandma was a Dodgers fan going back to Brooklyn.My favorite player was Dusty Baker. I wore #12 because he did. I played left field because he did. I copied his batting stance. After watching us lose to the hated Yankees in 77 and 78 we FINALLY won in 81. Then Garvey to Padres. Cey and Lopes end up on Cubs. Then they jettison Dusty. I was SO pissed. I followed him to his next team - the previously despised Giants. So I was a Giants fan for a year - 1984. Then he went to Oakland for his last two years in 85 and 86 so I followed him there. I was so angry at the Dodgers still for breaking that team up.Then along comes Canseco, McGwire and an old Dodger favorite Dave Stewart. So I stayed an A's fan since then.Sometimes I wish he had retired a Giant. Then I could have at least enjoyed 3 World Series wins. Rams can come and go and they can move to Mars - I will always be a fan. But when you're a young kid and they trade away the guy you've loved your whole life what're you gonna do? Self-Appointed Rams Historian RFU Season Ticket Holder by Hacksaw_64 8 years 10 months ago Total posts: 2686 Joined: Sep 08 2015 Inglewood, CA Moderator Re: The Dodgers POST #309 maxxx power wrote:As an A's fan I can tell you that you will enjoy Reddick. GREAT fielder/arm. Inconsistent bat. Streaky. But he's hot right now. Plays the game the right way. A fan favorite and he will be missed for sure.Hill having a very good year but sidelined lately by a blister. A BLISTER! Drsydale is spinning in his grave.Any info on Montas, Cotton or Holmes?Also, FOR THE LOVE OF ALL THAT IS HOLY PLEASE DESTROY THE GIANTS. They must never win another World Series.Didn't want to part with Grant Holmes. He's the best player in the deal(former first round pick in 2014), followed closely by Montas. Montas if healthy has Kenley Jansen type stuff. Has had some control issues, but throws in the high 97-99 range. Cotton was one of the biggest rising stars in the farm last year. Not pitched as well this season. He might turn into a decent 3/4 guy in the rotation. You guys actually got three really good pitching prospects. by Hacksaw_64 8 years 10 months ago Total posts: 2686 Joined: Sep 08 2015 Inglewood, CA Moderator Re: The Dodgers POST #310 The Upside of Rich Hill Daniel Brim August 2, 2016 Yesterday the Dodgers gave up some real talent for Josh Reddick and Rich Hill, two rental players. This post is going to focus on the Rich Hill part of that deal. The Dodgers needed rotation help, and Hill obviously carries tremendous risk.He’s been battling a blister for almost a month. Before that, he had a groin injury. The last (and only) time Hill has thrown more than 100 major-league innings was in 2007. He’s had Tommy John surgery, had a shoulder labrum repaired, suffered a pronator injury, had back problems, and many muscle issues. Last year, he pitched for the Long Island Ducks, an independent league team. His indie-league debut was one year ago today.And yet, this 36-year-old left-handed pitcher could well be the best pitcher traded at this year’s deadline, and may be precisely what the Dodgers need. It’s worth looking past the risk for a moment to see what the Dodgers could get in a healthy Rich Hill.The Red Sox signed Hill out of independent league ball last August to help fill some innings as they stumbled to another last-place finish. Hill rewarded their signing with four brilliant starts, striking out 39 batters and walking five in 29 innings. He was able to get a one year, six million dollar contract from the A’s to see if that brief performance wasn’t a fluke. Jon Heyman reported that the Dodgers were interested in matching the A’s contract, but Brett Anderson accepting the qualifying offer forced their hands. Hill has done all he can to prove that he is for real this season, putting up another 76 excellent innings for Oakland. He’s walking more batters than he did in his 2015 campaign, but he’s still missing a lot of bats.If you haven’t been paying attention to the A’s or Hill (understandable) you might have missed just how great he has been. Over the last calendar year, here are MLB’s ERA- leaders with at least 100 innings pitched: Clayton Kershaw, 44 Jake Arrieta, 45 Rich Hill, 50 Madison Bumgarner, 57If you’ve read this site for long enough, you know that 100 innings of ERA isn’t particularly reliable, but Hill’s success goes beyond that. Here are MLB’s best FIP- marks among the same pitchers in the same timespan: Kershaw, 43 Jose Fernandez, 58 Hill, 59 Arrieta, 63If you want to look past even FIP, the best way to do that now is DRA, Baseball Prospectus’ pitching metric. DRA models events like the ballpark and temperature on a certain day, individual batter results, and other factors, which creates an ERA estimator. It’s a better approach to solve contact quality problems than xFIP, and has been shown to be as reliable or more reliable than FIP (though it’s more difficult to explain why a pitcher is ranked in a particular way). BP does not have a “last calendar year” split tool, but since Hill’s return his DRA- is about 76, which would rank him among the top 10 starting pitchers in either 2015 or 2016.Explaining Hill’s dominance in fundamental pitching terms is not that difficult, either. Below is a plot with all 134 pitchers with at least 70 innings this season. On the X axis is a pitcher’s in-zone swing rate (how often does a batter swing at a strike). Lower values are better. On the Y axis is a pitcher’s overall contact rate (when a batter swings, how often does he hit it). Again, lower values are better. These aren’t the only two ingredients of pitching (it wouldn’t really show control problems), but if a pitcher is good at these two things he’s on the right track. Hill is nearly on his own on the lower-left, right where a pitcher would want to be. He’s third-best in in-zone swing rate, and he’s tenth-best in overall contact rate. There aren’t really many signs in this limited sample that Hill is due to regress.This brings up the other part about Hill worth mentioning: his unique path to success. Hill has frequently been a two-pitch guy, back to his years as a bad reliever and a mediocre starter. There were years when he’d mix in a two-seam fastball, but he hasn’t relied heavily upon a slider or changeup in the entire PITCHf/x era. He would frequently tinker with release point and usage, but had trouble finding the strike zone which reduced the impact of his good strikeout rates.Hill’s latest run of dominance is his first try at being a starter since 2009. Unlike his previous attempts, he’s not really making any effort to lead with his fastball. In 2016, Hill has thrown 605 fourseam fastballs and 605 curves, to go with 100 other pitches (mostly sliders). If ever there was a case for pitching “backwards,” Hill is that case. He’s like Mike Bolsinger, if Bolsinger threw his fastball 3 mph faster and had 10 mph more separation with his curve velocity. Another Dodger comparable might be late-career Josh Beckett, but even Beckett mixed in 20% cutters and 10% changeups.The curious thing is that Hill’s repertoire change has really made his fastball play up. Among the 151 starting pitchers who have thrown at least 200 fourseam fastballs this season, here are the top whiff/swing rates: Rich Hill, 36.0% David Price, 28.9%Hill’s fastball leads starters and does so by a gigantic margin. For comparison, Clayton Kershaw is 20th at 22.5%, Jose Fernandez is 16th with 23.4%, and Noah Syndergaard is 18th with 23.1%. Rich Hill gets 1.5x more whiffs per swing on his fastball than Noah Syndergaard, who averages 99mph. If relievers are added to that list, Hill falls to a tie for second (behind Carl Edwards of the Cubs and matching Justin Wilson of the Tigers), but he’s still one spot ahead of Aroldis Chapman‘s famous 101mph offering. Hill is also inducing a higher rate of swings on his fastball than he did previously. It’s a devastating combination.Hill’s fastball is not a bad pitch at 91 from the left side and gets the benefit of excellent horizontal movement resulting from good spin. Plus, batters don’t see it as much, which can improve results if they’re sitting on the curve. Hill’s curve has a superlative spin rate which translates into the fifth-best horizontal movement and 14th-best vertical movement among starting pitchers. When betters do make contact, they hit the curve on the ground 65% of the time, enough to reduce the impact of batted balls.One potential drawback to this unique pitching style is that it may not work well as a pitcher goes through the order multiple times, but since Hill’s return the story isn’t clean: PA K% BB% BA OBP SLG1st time through 153 32.7% 8.4% .242 .327 .3612nd time through 149 24.8% 9.3% .154 .255 .2003rd time through 108 35.2% 5.6% .150 .213 .1804th time through 7 14.3% 0.0% .143 .143 .143If anything, Hill’s results get better as he goes through a lineup more than once. The strikeout/walk numbers don’t follow a pattern and the in-play results improve steadily as he goes deeper into games. Previous times through the order results do not predict future times through the order results well, but these data show that this has not been an issue for Hill so far. In his 17 post-return starts (removing the most recent blister-shortened affair), Hill has averaged more than six innings pitched per start. He has only failed to get through six innings three times. In a Dodger rotation struggling to get innings out of their starters, a healthy Hill is an outstanding leg up.When healthy, Rich Hill is one of the best pitchers in baseball, and there are no signs of rapid decline. It still could come at any moment because he’s old, but if that taper is gradual and he’s suddenly a number two starter, the Dodgers will absolutely take that. Hill has earned his performance, and is playing for what could be a sizable contract this winter. The injury risk is tremendous, he could remember that he’s old and pitch worse, but the Dodgers went and acquired the best pitcher available, warts and all.http://dodgersdigest.com/2016/08/02/the ... rich-hill/ Reply 31 / 83 1 31 83 Display: All posts1 day7 days2 weeks1 month3 months6 months1 year Sort by: AuthorPost timeSubject Sort by: AscendingDescending Jump to: Forum Rams/NFL Other Sports Rams Fans United Q&A's Board Business 821 posts Jun 23 2025 FOLLOW US @RAMSFANSUNITED Who liked this post
by Rams Dominate 8 years 10 months ago Total posts: 240 Joined: May 27 2015 Monterey Peninsula Rookie Re: The Dodgers POST #303 Trade deadline is Monday so we'll see said the blind man...I just read on Dodgers.com that the team as a whole wants management to make a trade for pitching, now Sales name is being discussed by the players & apparently Matt Kemp could come home, hope that means bye bye injury prone Puig... by snackdaddy 8 years 10 months ago Total posts: 10039 Joined: May 30 2015 Merced California Hall of Fame Re: The Dodgers POST #304 TOPIC AUTHOR There's also talk about a 3 way trade bringing Jay Bruce to the LA. That would give them a legit HR hitter in the middle of the lineup. He's got 25 HR"S and 79 RBI's with two months to left. I'd love to see them swing that deal. Dodgers are playing well and still in the thick of things without Kershaw. One game behind the slumping Giants now. Giants had bases loaded and no outs and they hit into a triple play last night. That was great to see the wind taken out of their sails. Dodgers gave up a 3 run lead, then came back from 4 behind to win it last night. Offense has been playing well. Different guys chipping in every night. I'd love to see them swing a deal for Bruce and a quality starter. Maybe another bullpen guy would be good too. I still get nervous when they go to the pen. They gave up some runs last night. by Rams Dominate 8 years 10 months ago Total posts: 240 Joined: May 27 2015 Monterey Peninsula Rookie Re: The Dodgers POST #305 I hear you sd, that 7th inning was fun to watch I had the wind taken out of my sails after the Snakes scored 7 but we came right back to re-take the lead for good, a team victory...I read on Dodgers .com about the Bruce trade, it was more of a mention than something likely to happen. I also read the answer from the Chairman about the chatter Puig will be traded, his answer? Not likely...With the way our team is hitting I would rather see a starter & bullpen guy than another bat, but I don't get a vote...Great win last night, the Snakes have a 0-1 pitcher going against Kazmir tonight, hope we stay on this roll & the Giants stay on theirs, unbelievable, Giants load the bases, nobody out, down 4-1 in the 9th & hit into a triple play! Wow ! by maxxx power 8 years 10 months ago Total posts: 1016 Joined: Jan 13 2016 Norcal Pro Bowl Re: The Dodgers POST #306 As an A's fan I can tell you that you will enjoy Reddick. GREAT fielder/arm. Inconsistent bat. Streaky. But he's hot right now. Plays the game the right way. A fan favorite and he will be missed for sure.Hill having a very good year but sidelined lately by a blister. A BLISTER! Drsydale is spinning in his grave.Any info on Montas, Cotton or Holmes?Also, FOR THE LOVE OF ALL THAT IS HOLY PLEASE DESTROY THE GIANTS. They must never win another World Series. Self-Appointed Rams Historian RFU Season Ticket Holder by Rams Dominate 8 years 10 months ago Total posts: 240 Joined: May 27 2015 Monterey Peninsula Rookie Re: The Dodgers POST #307 Hey maxxx power, just saw this sorry I didn't answer sooner & about time I welcomed you altho I've seen your name on RRF...If you want to read about the 3 prospects you guys got go to www.dodgers.com & right on the 1st page under "Top 30 prospects",you can read all about your guys you got in this trade...We also got 2 more pitchers from the Astros so we bolstered our bullpen & starting pitching...Heard good things about Reddick, gold glove winner & is hitting close to .300 right now plus he hit 32 homers a couple years ago...Blisters are pretty common for pitchers, as for Drysdale, he just came at you side arm with 96mph heat & dared you to dig in on him, ask Frank Robinson, "spinning in his grave" LMAO! by maxxx power 8 years 10 months ago Total posts: 1016 Joined: Jan 13 2016 Norcal Pro Bowl Re: The Dodgers POST #308 Rams Dominate wrote:Hey maxxx power, just saw this sorry I didn't answer sooner & about time I welcomed you altho I've seen your name on RRF...If you want to read about the 3 prospects you guys got go to http://www.dodgers.com & right on the 1st page under "Top 30 prospects",you can read all about your guys you got in this trade...We also got 2 more pitchers from the Astros so we bolstered our bullpen & starting pitching...Heard good things about Reddick, gold glove winner & is hitting close to .300 right now plus he hit 32 homers a couple years ago...Blisters are pretty common for pitchers, as for Drysdale, he just came at you side arm with 96mph heat & dared you to dig in on him, ask Frank Robinson, "spinning in his grave" LMAO!Long story short(ish) - I grew up a HUUUUGE Dodgers fan in the 70s. HUGE! I was into them hard core before the Rams as baseball was my first love. My grandma was a Dodgers fan going back to Brooklyn.My favorite player was Dusty Baker. I wore #12 because he did. I played left field because he did. I copied his batting stance. After watching us lose to the hated Yankees in 77 and 78 we FINALLY won in 81. Then Garvey to Padres. Cey and Lopes end up on Cubs. Then they jettison Dusty. I was SO pissed. I followed him to his next team - the previously despised Giants. So I was a Giants fan for a year - 1984. Then he went to Oakland for his last two years in 85 and 86 so I followed him there. I was so angry at the Dodgers still for breaking that team up.Then along comes Canseco, McGwire and an old Dodger favorite Dave Stewart. So I stayed an A's fan since then.Sometimes I wish he had retired a Giant. Then I could have at least enjoyed 3 World Series wins. Rams can come and go and they can move to Mars - I will always be a fan. But when you're a young kid and they trade away the guy you've loved your whole life what're you gonna do? Self-Appointed Rams Historian RFU Season Ticket Holder by Hacksaw_64 8 years 10 months ago Total posts: 2686 Joined: Sep 08 2015 Inglewood, CA Moderator Re: The Dodgers POST #309 maxxx power wrote:As an A's fan I can tell you that you will enjoy Reddick. GREAT fielder/arm. Inconsistent bat. Streaky. But he's hot right now. Plays the game the right way. A fan favorite and he will be missed for sure.Hill having a very good year but sidelined lately by a blister. A BLISTER! Drsydale is spinning in his grave.Any info on Montas, Cotton or Holmes?Also, FOR THE LOVE OF ALL THAT IS HOLY PLEASE DESTROY THE GIANTS. They must never win another World Series.Didn't want to part with Grant Holmes. He's the best player in the deal(former first round pick in 2014), followed closely by Montas. Montas if healthy has Kenley Jansen type stuff. Has had some control issues, but throws in the high 97-99 range. Cotton was one of the biggest rising stars in the farm last year. Not pitched as well this season. He might turn into a decent 3/4 guy in the rotation. You guys actually got three really good pitching prospects. by Hacksaw_64 8 years 10 months ago Total posts: 2686 Joined: Sep 08 2015 Inglewood, CA Moderator Re: The Dodgers POST #310 The Upside of Rich Hill Daniel Brim August 2, 2016 Yesterday the Dodgers gave up some real talent for Josh Reddick and Rich Hill, two rental players. This post is going to focus on the Rich Hill part of that deal. The Dodgers needed rotation help, and Hill obviously carries tremendous risk.He’s been battling a blister for almost a month. Before that, he had a groin injury. The last (and only) time Hill has thrown more than 100 major-league innings was in 2007. He’s had Tommy John surgery, had a shoulder labrum repaired, suffered a pronator injury, had back problems, and many muscle issues. Last year, he pitched for the Long Island Ducks, an independent league team. His indie-league debut was one year ago today.And yet, this 36-year-old left-handed pitcher could well be the best pitcher traded at this year’s deadline, and may be precisely what the Dodgers need. It’s worth looking past the risk for a moment to see what the Dodgers could get in a healthy Rich Hill.The Red Sox signed Hill out of independent league ball last August to help fill some innings as they stumbled to another last-place finish. Hill rewarded their signing with four brilliant starts, striking out 39 batters and walking five in 29 innings. He was able to get a one year, six million dollar contract from the A’s to see if that brief performance wasn’t a fluke. Jon Heyman reported that the Dodgers were interested in matching the A’s contract, but Brett Anderson accepting the qualifying offer forced their hands. Hill has done all he can to prove that he is for real this season, putting up another 76 excellent innings for Oakland. He’s walking more batters than he did in his 2015 campaign, but he’s still missing a lot of bats.If you haven’t been paying attention to the A’s or Hill (understandable) you might have missed just how great he has been. Over the last calendar year, here are MLB’s ERA- leaders with at least 100 innings pitched: Clayton Kershaw, 44 Jake Arrieta, 45 Rich Hill, 50 Madison Bumgarner, 57If you’ve read this site for long enough, you know that 100 innings of ERA isn’t particularly reliable, but Hill’s success goes beyond that. Here are MLB’s best FIP- marks among the same pitchers in the same timespan: Kershaw, 43 Jose Fernandez, 58 Hill, 59 Arrieta, 63If you want to look past even FIP, the best way to do that now is DRA, Baseball Prospectus’ pitching metric. DRA models events like the ballpark and temperature on a certain day, individual batter results, and other factors, which creates an ERA estimator. It’s a better approach to solve contact quality problems than xFIP, and has been shown to be as reliable or more reliable than FIP (though it’s more difficult to explain why a pitcher is ranked in a particular way). BP does not have a “last calendar year” split tool, but since Hill’s return his DRA- is about 76, which would rank him among the top 10 starting pitchers in either 2015 or 2016.Explaining Hill’s dominance in fundamental pitching terms is not that difficult, either. Below is a plot with all 134 pitchers with at least 70 innings this season. On the X axis is a pitcher’s in-zone swing rate (how often does a batter swing at a strike). Lower values are better. On the Y axis is a pitcher’s overall contact rate (when a batter swings, how often does he hit it). Again, lower values are better. These aren’t the only two ingredients of pitching (it wouldn’t really show control problems), but if a pitcher is good at these two things he’s on the right track. Hill is nearly on his own on the lower-left, right where a pitcher would want to be. He’s third-best in in-zone swing rate, and he’s tenth-best in overall contact rate. There aren’t really many signs in this limited sample that Hill is due to regress.This brings up the other part about Hill worth mentioning: his unique path to success. Hill has frequently been a two-pitch guy, back to his years as a bad reliever and a mediocre starter. There were years when he’d mix in a two-seam fastball, but he hasn’t relied heavily upon a slider or changeup in the entire PITCHf/x era. He would frequently tinker with release point and usage, but had trouble finding the strike zone which reduced the impact of his good strikeout rates.Hill’s latest run of dominance is his first try at being a starter since 2009. Unlike his previous attempts, he’s not really making any effort to lead with his fastball. In 2016, Hill has thrown 605 fourseam fastballs and 605 curves, to go with 100 other pitches (mostly sliders). If ever there was a case for pitching “backwards,” Hill is that case. He’s like Mike Bolsinger, if Bolsinger threw his fastball 3 mph faster and had 10 mph more separation with his curve velocity. Another Dodger comparable might be late-career Josh Beckett, but even Beckett mixed in 20% cutters and 10% changeups.The curious thing is that Hill’s repertoire change has really made his fastball play up. Among the 151 starting pitchers who have thrown at least 200 fourseam fastballs this season, here are the top whiff/swing rates: Rich Hill, 36.0% David Price, 28.9%Hill’s fastball leads starters and does so by a gigantic margin. For comparison, Clayton Kershaw is 20th at 22.5%, Jose Fernandez is 16th with 23.4%, and Noah Syndergaard is 18th with 23.1%. Rich Hill gets 1.5x more whiffs per swing on his fastball than Noah Syndergaard, who averages 99mph. If relievers are added to that list, Hill falls to a tie for second (behind Carl Edwards of the Cubs and matching Justin Wilson of the Tigers), but he’s still one spot ahead of Aroldis Chapman‘s famous 101mph offering. Hill is also inducing a higher rate of swings on his fastball than he did previously. It’s a devastating combination.Hill’s fastball is not a bad pitch at 91 from the left side and gets the benefit of excellent horizontal movement resulting from good spin. Plus, batters don’t see it as much, which can improve results if they’re sitting on the curve. Hill’s curve has a superlative spin rate which translates into the fifth-best horizontal movement and 14th-best vertical movement among starting pitchers. When betters do make contact, they hit the curve on the ground 65% of the time, enough to reduce the impact of batted balls.One potential drawback to this unique pitching style is that it may not work well as a pitcher goes through the order multiple times, but since Hill’s return the story isn’t clean: PA K% BB% BA OBP SLG1st time through 153 32.7% 8.4% .242 .327 .3612nd time through 149 24.8% 9.3% .154 .255 .2003rd time through 108 35.2% 5.6% .150 .213 .1804th time through 7 14.3% 0.0% .143 .143 .143If anything, Hill’s results get better as he goes through a lineup more than once. The strikeout/walk numbers don’t follow a pattern and the in-play results improve steadily as he goes deeper into games. Previous times through the order results do not predict future times through the order results well, but these data show that this has not been an issue for Hill so far. In his 17 post-return starts (removing the most recent blister-shortened affair), Hill has averaged more than six innings pitched per start. He has only failed to get through six innings three times. In a Dodger rotation struggling to get innings out of their starters, a healthy Hill is an outstanding leg up.When healthy, Rich Hill is one of the best pitchers in baseball, and there are no signs of rapid decline. It still could come at any moment because he’s old, but if that taper is gradual and he’s suddenly a number two starter, the Dodgers will absolutely take that. Hill has earned his performance, and is playing for what could be a sizable contract this winter. The injury risk is tremendous, he could remember that he’s old and pitch worse, but the Dodgers went and acquired the best pitcher available, warts and all.http://dodgersdigest.com/2016/08/02/the ... rich-hill/ Reply 31 / 83 1 31 83 Display: All posts1 day7 days2 weeks1 month3 months6 months1 year Sort by: AuthorPost timeSubject Sort by: AscendingDescending Jump to: Forum Rams/NFL Other Sports Rams Fans United Q&A's Board Business 821 posts Jun 23 2025 FOLLOW US @RAMSFANSUNITED Who liked this post
by snackdaddy 8 years 10 months ago Total posts: 10039 Joined: May 30 2015 Merced California Hall of Fame Re: The Dodgers POST #304 TOPIC AUTHOR There's also talk about a 3 way trade bringing Jay Bruce to the LA. That would give them a legit HR hitter in the middle of the lineup. He's got 25 HR"S and 79 RBI's with two months to left. I'd love to see them swing that deal. Dodgers are playing well and still in the thick of things without Kershaw. One game behind the slumping Giants now. Giants had bases loaded and no outs and they hit into a triple play last night. That was great to see the wind taken out of their sails. Dodgers gave up a 3 run lead, then came back from 4 behind to win it last night. Offense has been playing well. Different guys chipping in every night. I'd love to see them swing a deal for Bruce and a quality starter. Maybe another bullpen guy would be good too. I still get nervous when they go to the pen. They gave up some runs last night. by Rams Dominate 8 years 10 months ago Total posts: 240 Joined: May 27 2015 Monterey Peninsula Rookie Re: The Dodgers POST #305 I hear you sd, that 7th inning was fun to watch I had the wind taken out of my sails after the Snakes scored 7 but we came right back to re-take the lead for good, a team victory...I read on Dodgers .com about the Bruce trade, it was more of a mention than something likely to happen. I also read the answer from the Chairman about the chatter Puig will be traded, his answer? Not likely...With the way our team is hitting I would rather see a starter & bullpen guy than another bat, but I don't get a vote...Great win last night, the Snakes have a 0-1 pitcher going against Kazmir tonight, hope we stay on this roll & the Giants stay on theirs, unbelievable, Giants load the bases, nobody out, down 4-1 in the 9th & hit into a triple play! Wow ! by maxxx power 8 years 10 months ago Total posts: 1016 Joined: Jan 13 2016 Norcal Pro Bowl Re: The Dodgers POST #306 As an A's fan I can tell you that you will enjoy Reddick. GREAT fielder/arm. Inconsistent bat. Streaky. But he's hot right now. Plays the game the right way. A fan favorite and he will be missed for sure.Hill having a very good year but sidelined lately by a blister. A BLISTER! Drsydale is spinning in his grave.Any info on Montas, Cotton or Holmes?Also, FOR THE LOVE OF ALL THAT IS HOLY PLEASE DESTROY THE GIANTS. They must never win another World Series. Self-Appointed Rams Historian RFU Season Ticket Holder by Rams Dominate 8 years 10 months ago Total posts: 240 Joined: May 27 2015 Monterey Peninsula Rookie Re: The Dodgers POST #307 Hey maxxx power, just saw this sorry I didn't answer sooner & about time I welcomed you altho I've seen your name on RRF...If you want to read about the 3 prospects you guys got go to www.dodgers.com & right on the 1st page under "Top 30 prospects",you can read all about your guys you got in this trade...We also got 2 more pitchers from the Astros so we bolstered our bullpen & starting pitching...Heard good things about Reddick, gold glove winner & is hitting close to .300 right now plus he hit 32 homers a couple years ago...Blisters are pretty common for pitchers, as for Drysdale, he just came at you side arm with 96mph heat & dared you to dig in on him, ask Frank Robinson, "spinning in his grave" LMAO! by maxxx power 8 years 10 months ago Total posts: 1016 Joined: Jan 13 2016 Norcal Pro Bowl Re: The Dodgers POST #308 Rams Dominate wrote:Hey maxxx power, just saw this sorry I didn't answer sooner & about time I welcomed you altho I've seen your name on RRF...If you want to read about the 3 prospects you guys got go to http://www.dodgers.com & right on the 1st page under "Top 30 prospects",you can read all about your guys you got in this trade...We also got 2 more pitchers from the Astros so we bolstered our bullpen & starting pitching...Heard good things about Reddick, gold glove winner & is hitting close to .300 right now plus he hit 32 homers a couple years ago...Blisters are pretty common for pitchers, as for Drysdale, he just came at you side arm with 96mph heat & dared you to dig in on him, ask Frank Robinson, "spinning in his grave" LMAO!Long story short(ish) - I grew up a HUUUUGE Dodgers fan in the 70s. HUGE! I was into them hard core before the Rams as baseball was my first love. My grandma was a Dodgers fan going back to Brooklyn.My favorite player was Dusty Baker. I wore #12 because he did. I played left field because he did. I copied his batting stance. After watching us lose to the hated Yankees in 77 and 78 we FINALLY won in 81. Then Garvey to Padres. Cey and Lopes end up on Cubs. Then they jettison Dusty. I was SO pissed. I followed him to his next team - the previously despised Giants. So I was a Giants fan for a year - 1984. Then he went to Oakland for his last two years in 85 and 86 so I followed him there. I was so angry at the Dodgers still for breaking that team up.Then along comes Canseco, McGwire and an old Dodger favorite Dave Stewart. So I stayed an A's fan since then.Sometimes I wish he had retired a Giant. Then I could have at least enjoyed 3 World Series wins. Rams can come and go and they can move to Mars - I will always be a fan. But when you're a young kid and they trade away the guy you've loved your whole life what're you gonna do? Self-Appointed Rams Historian RFU Season Ticket Holder by Hacksaw_64 8 years 10 months ago Total posts: 2686 Joined: Sep 08 2015 Inglewood, CA Moderator Re: The Dodgers POST #309 maxxx power wrote:As an A's fan I can tell you that you will enjoy Reddick. GREAT fielder/arm. Inconsistent bat. Streaky. But he's hot right now. Plays the game the right way. A fan favorite and he will be missed for sure.Hill having a very good year but sidelined lately by a blister. A BLISTER! Drsydale is spinning in his grave.Any info on Montas, Cotton or Holmes?Also, FOR THE LOVE OF ALL THAT IS HOLY PLEASE DESTROY THE GIANTS. They must never win another World Series.Didn't want to part with Grant Holmes. He's the best player in the deal(former first round pick in 2014), followed closely by Montas. Montas if healthy has Kenley Jansen type stuff. Has had some control issues, but throws in the high 97-99 range. Cotton was one of the biggest rising stars in the farm last year. Not pitched as well this season. He might turn into a decent 3/4 guy in the rotation. You guys actually got three really good pitching prospects. by Hacksaw_64 8 years 10 months ago Total posts: 2686 Joined: Sep 08 2015 Inglewood, CA Moderator Re: The Dodgers POST #310 The Upside of Rich Hill Daniel Brim August 2, 2016 Yesterday the Dodgers gave up some real talent for Josh Reddick and Rich Hill, two rental players. This post is going to focus on the Rich Hill part of that deal. The Dodgers needed rotation help, and Hill obviously carries tremendous risk.He’s been battling a blister for almost a month. Before that, he had a groin injury. The last (and only) time Hill has thrown more than 100 major-league innings was in 2007. He’s had Tommy John surgery, had a shoulder labrum repaired, suffered a pronator injury, had back problems, and many muscle issues. Last year, he pitched for the Long Island Ducks, an independent league team. His indie-league debut was one year ago today.And yet, this 36-year-old left-handed pitcher could well be the best pitcher traded at this year’s deadline, and may be precisely what the Dodgers need. It’s worth looking past the risk for a moment to see what the Dodgers could get in a healthy Rich Hill.The Red Sox signed Hill out of independent league ball last August to help fill some innings as they stumbled to another last-place finish. Hill rewarded their signing with four brilliant starts, striking out 39 batters and walking five in 29 innings. He was able to get a one year, six million dollar contract from the A’s to see if that brief performance wasn’t a fluke. Jon Heyman reported that the Dodgers were interested in matching the A’s contract, but Brett Anderson accepting the qualifying offer forced their hands. Hill has done all he can to prove that he is for real this season, putting up another 76 excellent innings for Oakland. He’s walking more batters than he did in his 2015 campaign, but he’s still missing a lot of bats.If you haven’t been paying attention to the A’s or Hill (understandable) you might have missed just how great he has been. Over the last calendar year, here are MLB’s ERA- leaders with at least 100 innings pitched: Clayton Kershaw, 44 Jake Arrieta, 45 Rich Hill, 50 Madison Bumgarner, 57If you’ve read this site for long enough, you know that 100 innings of ERA isn’t particularly reliable, but Hill’s success goes beyond that. Here are MLB’s best FIP- marks among the same pitchers in the same timespan: Kershaw, 43 Jose Fernandez, 58 Hill, 59 Arrieta, 63If you want to look past even FIP, the best way to do that now is DRA, Baseball Prospectus’ pitching metric. DRA models events like the ballpark and temperature on a certain day, individual batter results, and other factors, which creates an ERA estimator. It’s a better approach to solve contact quality problems than xFIP, and has been shown to be as reliable or more reliable than FIP (though it’s more difficult to explain why a pitcher is ranked in a particular way). BP does not have a “last calendar year” split tool, but since Hill’s return his DRA- is about 76, which would rank him among the top 10 starting pitchers in either 2015 or 2016.Explaining Hill’s dominance in fundamental pitching terms is not that difficult, either. Below is a plot with all 134 pitchers with at least 70 innings this season. On the X axis is a pitcher’s in-zone swing rate (how often does a batter swing at a strike). Lower values are better. On the Y axis is a pitcher’s overall contact rate (when a batter swings, how often does he hit it). Again, lower values are better. These aren’t the only two ingredients of pitching (it wouldn’t really show control problems), but if a pitcher is good at these two things he’s on the right track. Hill is nearly on his own on the lower-left, right where a pitcher would want to be. He’s third-best in in-zone swing rate, and he’s tenth-best in overall contact rate. There aren’t really many signs in this limited sample that Hill is due to regress.This brings up the other part about Hill worth mentioning: his unique path to success. Hill has frequently been a two-pitch guy, back to his years as a bad reliever and a mediocre starter. There were years when he’d mix in a two-seam fastball, but he hasn’t relied heavily upon a slider or changeup in the entire PITCHf/x era. He would frequently tinker with release point and usage, but had trouble finding the strike zone which reduced the impact of his good strikeout rates.Hill’s latest run of dominance is his first try at being a starter since 2009. Unlike his previous attempts, he’s not really making any effort to lead with his fastball. In 2016, Hill has thrown 605 fourseam fastballs and 605 curves, to go with 100 other pitches (mostly sliders). If ever there was a case for pitching “backwards,” Hill is that case. He’s like Mike Bolsinger, if Bolsinger threw his fastball 3 mph faster and had 10 mph more separation with his curve velocity. Another Dodger comparable might be late-career Josh Beckett, but even Beckett mixed in 20% cutters and 10% changeups.The curious thing is that Hill’s repertoire change has really made his fastball play up. Among the 151 starting pitchers who have thrown at least 200 fourseam fastballs this season, here are the top whiff/swing rates: Rich Hill, 36.0% David Price, 28.9%Hill’s fastball leads starters and does so by a gigantic margin. For comparison, Clayton Kershaw is 20th at 22.5%, Jose Fernandez is 16th with 23.4%, and Noah Syndergaard is 18th with 23.1%. Rich Hill gets 1.5x more whiffs per swing on his fastball than Noah Syndergaard, who averages 99mph. If relievers are added to that list, Hill falls to a tie for second (behind Carl Edwards of the Cubs and matching Justin Wilson of the Tigers), but he’s still one spot ahead of Aroldis Chapman‘s famous 101mph offering. Hill is also inducing a higher rate of swings on his fastball than he did previously. It’s a devastating combination.Hill’s fastball is not a bad pitch at 91 from the left side and gets the benefit of excellent horizontal movement resulting from good spin. Plus, batters don’t see it as much, which can improve results if they’re sitting on the curve. Hill’s curve has a superlative spin rate which translates into the fifth-best horizontal movement and 14th-best vertical movement among starting pitchers. When betters do make contact, they hit the curve on the ground 65% of the time, enough to reduce the impact of batted balls.One potential drawback to this unique pitching style is that it may not work well as a pitcher goes through the order multiple times, but since Hill’s return the story isn’t clean: PA K% BB% BA OBP SLG1st time through 153 32.7% 8.4% .242 .327 .3612nd time through 149 24.8% 9.3% .154 .255 .2003rd time through 108 35.2% 5.6% .150 .213 .1804th time through 7 14.3% 0.0% .143 .143 .143If anything, Hill’s results get better as he goes through a lineup more than once. The strikeout/walk numbers don’t follow a pattern and the in-play results improve steadily as he goes deeper into games. Previous times through the order results do not predict future times through the order results well, but these data show that this has not been an issue for Hill so far. In his 17 post-return starts (removing the most recent blister-shortened affair), Hill has averaged more than six innings pitched per start. He has only failed to get through six innings three times. In a Dodger rotation struggling to get innings out of their starters, a healthy Hill is an outstanding leg up.When healthy, Rich Hill is one of the best pitchers in baseball, and there are no signs of rapid decline. It still could come at any moment because he’s old, but if that taper is gradual and he’s suddenly a number two starter, the Dodgers will absolutely take that. Hill has earned his performance, and is playing for what could be a sizable contract this winter. The injury risk is tremendous, he could remember that he’s old and pitch worse, but the Dodgers went and acquired the best pitcher available, warts and all.http://dodgersdigest.com/2016/08/02/the ... rich-hill/ Reply 31 / 83 1 31 83 Display: All posts1 day7 days2 weeks1 month3 months6 months1 year Sort by: AuthorPost timeSubject Sort by: AscendingDescending Jump to: Forum Rams/NFL Other Sports Rams Fans United Q&A's Board Business 821 posts Jun 23 2025 FOLLOW US @RAMSFANSUNITED Who liked this post
by Rams Dominate 8 years 10 months ago Total posts: 240 Joined: May 27 2015 Monterey Peninsula Rookie Re: The Dodgers POST #305 I hear you sd, that 7th inning was fun to watch I had the wind taken out of my sails after the Snakes scored 7 but we came right back to re-take the lead for good, a team victory...I read on Dodgers .com about the Bruce trade, it was more of a mention than something likely to happen. I also read the answer from the Chairman about the chatter Puig will be traded, his answer? Not likely...With the way our team is hitting I would rather see a starter & bullpen guy than another bat, but I don't get a vote...Great win last night, the Snakes have a 0-1 pitcher going against Kazmir tonight, hope we stay on this roll & the Giants stay on theirs, unbelievable, Giants load the bases, nobody out, down 4-1 in the 9th & hit into a triple play! Wow ! by maxxx power 8 years 10 months ago Total posts: 1016 Joined: Jan 13 2016 Norcal Pro Bowl Re: The Dodgers POST #306 As an A's fan I can tell you that you will enjoy Reddick. GREAT fielder/arm. Inconsistent bat. Streaky. But he's hot right now. Plays the game the right way. A fan favorite and he will be missed for sure.Hill having a very good year but sidelined lately by a blister. A BLISTER! Drsydale is spinning in his grave.Any info on Montas, Cotton or Holmes?Also, FOR THE LOVE OF ALL THAT IS HOLY PLEASE DESTROY THE GIANTS. They must never win another World Series. Self-Appointed Rams Historian RFU Season Ticket Holder by Rams Dominate 8 years 10 months ago Total posts: 240 Joined: May 27 2015 Monterey Peninsula Rookie Re: The Dodgers POST #307 Hey maxxx power, just saw this sorry I didn't answer sooner & about time I welcomed you altho I've seen your name on RRF...If you want to read about the 3 prospects you guys got go to www.dodgers.com & right on the 1st page under "Top 30 prospects",you can read all about your guys you got in this trade...We also got 2 more pitchers from the Astros so we bolstered our bullpen & starting pitching...Heard good things about Reddick, gold glove winner & is hitting close to .300 right now plus he hit 32 homers a couple years ago...Blisters are pretty common for pitchers, as for Drysdale, he just came at you side arm with 96mph heat & dared you to dig in on him, ask Frank Robinson, "spinning in his grave" LMAO! by maxxx power 8 years 10 months ago Total posts: 1016 Joined: Jan 13 2016 Norcal Pro Bowl Re: The Dodgers POST #308 Rams Dominate wrote:Hey maxxx power, just saw this sorry I didn't answer sooner & about time I welcomed you altho I've seen your name on RRF...If you want to read about the 3 prospects you guys got go to http://www.dodgers.com & right on the 1st page under "Top 30 prospects",you can read all about your guys you got in this trade...We also got 2 more pitchers from the Astros so we bolstered our bullpen & starting pitching...Heard good things about Reddick, gold glove winner & is hitting close to .300 right now plus he hit 32 homers a couple years ago...Blisters are pretty common for pitchers, as for Drysdale, he just came at you side arm with 96mph heat & dared you to dig in on him, ask Frank Robinson, "spinning in his grave" LMAO!Long story short(ish) - I grew up a HUUUUGE Dodgers fan in the 70s. HUGE! I was into them hard core before the Rams as baseball was my first love. My grandma was a Dodgers fan going back to Brooklyn.My favorite player was Dusty Baker. I wore #12 because he did. I played left field because he did. I copied his batting stance. After watching us lose to the hated Yankees in 77 and 78 we FINALLY won in 81. Then Garvey to Padres. Cey and Lopes end up on Cubs. Then they jettison Dusty. I was SO pissed. I followed him to his next team - the previously despised Giants. So I was a Giants fan for a year - 1984. Then he went to Oakland for his last two years in 85 and 86 so I followed him there. I was so angry at the Dodgers still for breaking that team up.Then along comes Canseco, McGwire and an old Dodger favorite Dave Stewart. So I stayed an A's fan since then.Sometimes I wish he had retired a Giant. Then I could have at least enjoyed 3 World Series wins. Rams can come and go and they can move to Mars - I will always be a fan. But when you're a young kid and they trade away the guy you've loved your whole life what're you gonna do? Self-Appointed Rams Historian RFU Season Ticket Holder by Hacksaw_64 8 years 10 months ago Total posts: 2686 Joined: Sep 08 2015 Inglewood, CA Moderator Re: The Dodgers POST #309 maxxx power wrote:As an A's fan I can tell you that you will enjoy Reddick. GREAT fielder/arm. Inconsistent bat. Streaky. But he's hot right now. Plays the game the right way. A fan favorite and he will be missed for sure.Hill having a very good year but sidelined lately by a blister. A BLISTER! Drsydale is spinning in his grave.Any info on Montas, Cotton or Holmes?Also, FOR THE LOVE OF ALL THAT IS HOLY PLEASE DESTROY THE GIANTS. They must never win another World Series.Didn't want to part with Grant Holmes. He's the best player in the deal(former first round pick in 2014), followed closely by Montas. Montas if healthy has Kenley Jansen type stuff. Has had some control issues, but throws in the high 97-99 range. Cotton was one of the biggest rising stars in the farm last year. Not pitched as well this season. He might turn into a decent 3/4 guy in the rotation. You guys actually got three really good pitching prospects. by Hacksaw_64 8 years 10 months ago Total posts: 2686 Joined: Sep 08 2015 Inglewood, CA Moderator Re: The Dodgers POST #310 The Upside of Rich Hill Daniel Brim August 2, 2016 Yesterday the Dodgers gave up some real talent for Josh Reddick and Rich Hill, two rental players. This post is going to focus on the Rich Hill part of that deal. The Dodgers needed rotation help, and Hill obviously carries tremendous risk.He’s been battling a blister for almost a month. Before that, he had a groin injury. The last (and only) time Hill has thrown more than 100 major-league innings was in 2007. He’s had Tommy John surgery, had a shoulder labrum repaired, suffered a pronator injury, had back problems, and many muscle issues. Last year, he pitched for the Long Island Ducks, an independent league team. His indie-league debut was one year ago today.And yet, this 36-year-old left-handed pitcher could well be the best pitcher traded at this year’s deadline, and may be precisely what the Dodgers need. It’s worth looking past the risk for a moment to see what the Dodgers could get in a healthy Rich Hill.The Red Sox signed Hill out of independent league ball last August to help fill some innings as they stumbled to another last-place finish. Hill rewarded their signing with four brilliant starts, striking out 39 batters and walking five in 29 innings. He was able to get a one year, six million dollar contract from the A’s to see if that brief performance wasn’t a fluke. Jon Heyman reported that the Dodgers were interested in matching the A’s contract, but Brett Anderson accepting the qualifying offer forced their hands. Hill has done all he can to prove that he is for real this season, putting up another 76 excellent innings for Oakland. He’s walking more batters than he did in his 2015 campaign, but he’s still missing a lot of bats.If you haven’t been paying attention to the A’s or Hill (understandable) you might have missed just how great he has been. Over the last calendar year, here are MLB’s ERA- leaders with at least 100 innings pitched: Clayton Kershaw, 44 Jake Arrieta, 45 Rich Hill, 50 Madison Bumgarner, 57If you’ve read this site for long enough, you know that 100 innings of ERA isn’t particularly reliable, but Hill’s success goes beyond that. Here are MLB’s best FIP- marks among the same pitchers in the same timespan: Kershaw, 43 Jose Fernandez, 58 Hill, 59 Arrieta, 63If you want to look past even FIP, the best way to do that now is DRA, Baseball Prospectus’ pitching metric. DRA models events like the ballpark and temperature on a certain day, individual batter results, and other factors, which creates an ERA estimator. It’s a better approach to solve contact quality problems than xFIP, and has been shown to be as reliable or more reliable than FIP (though it’s more difficult to explain why a pitcher is ranked in a particular way). BP does not have a “last calendar year” split tool, but since Hill’s return his DRA- is about 76, which would rank him among the top 10 starting pitchers in either 2015 or 2016.Explaining Hill’s dominance in fundamental pitching terms is not that difficult, either. Below is a plot with all 134 pitchers with at least 70 innings this season. On the X axis is a pitcher’s in-zone swing rate (how often does a batter swing at a strike). Lower values are better. On the Y axis is a pitcher’s overall contact rate (when a batter swings, how often does he hit it). Again, lower values are better. These aren’t the only two ingredients of pitching (it wouldn’t really show control problems), but if a pitcher is good at these two things he’s on the right track. Hill is nearly on his own on the lower-left, right where a pitcher would want to be. He’s third-best in in-zone swing rate, and he’s tenth-best in overall contact rate. There aren’t really many signs in this limited sample that Hill is due to regress.This brings up the other part about Hill worth mentioning: his unique path to success. Hill has frequently been a two-pitch guy, back to his years as a bad reliever and a mediocre starter. There were years when he’d mix in a two-seam fastball, but he hasn’t relied heavily upon a slider or changeup in the entire PITCHf/x era. He would frequently tinker with release point and usage, but had trouble finding the strike zone which reduced the impact of his good strikeout rates.Hill’s latest run of dominance is his first try at being a starter since 2009. Unlike his previous attempts, he’s not really making any effort to lead with his fastball. In 2016, Hill has thrown 605 fourseam fastballs and 605 curves, to go with 100 other pitches (mostly sliders). If ever there was a case for pitching “backwards,” Hill is that case. He’s like Mike Bolsinger, if Bolsinger threw his fastball 3 mph faster and had 10 mph more separation with his curve velocity. Another Dodger comparable might be late-career Josh Beckett, but even Beckett mixed in 20% cutters and 10% changeups.The curious thing is that Hill’s repertoire change has really made his fastball play up. Among the 151 starting pitchers who have thrown at least 200 fourseam fastballs this season, here are the top whiff/swing rates: Rich Hill, 36.0% David Price, 28.9%Hill’s fastball leads starters and does so by a gigantic margin. For comparison, Clayton Kershaw is 20th at 22.5%, Jose Fernandez is 16th with 23.4%, and Noah Syndergaard is 18th with 23.1%. Rich Hill gets 1.5x more whiffs per swing on his fastball than Noah Syndergaard, who averages 99mph. If relievers are added to that list, Hill falls to a tie for second (behind Carl Edwards of the Cubs and matching Justin Wilson of the Tigers), but he’s still one spot ahead of Aroldis Chapman‘s famous 101mph offering. Hill is also inducing a higher rate of swings on his fastball than he did previously. It’s a devastating combination.Hill’s fastball is not a bad pitch at 91 from the left side and gets the benefit of excellent horizontal movement resulting from good spin. Plus, batters don’t see it as much, which can improve results if they’re sitting on the curve. Hill’s curve has a superlative spin rate which translates into the fifth-best horizontal movement and 14th-best vertical movement among starting pitchers. When betters do make contact, they hit the curve on the ground 65% of the time, enough to reduce the impact of batted balls.One potential drawback to this unique pitching style is that it may not work well as a pitcher goes through the order multiple times, but since Hill’s return the story isn’t clean: PA K% BB% BA OBP SLG1st time through 153 32.7% 8.4% .242 .327 .3612nd time through 149 24.8% 9.3% .154 .255 .2003rd time through 108 35.2% 5.6% .150 .213 .1804th time through 7 14.3% 0.0% .143 .143 .143If anything, Hill’s results get better as he goes through a lineup more than once. The strikeout/walk numbers don’t follow a pattern and the in-play results improve steadily as he goes deeper into games. Previous times through the order results do not predict future times through the order results well, but these data show that this has not been an issue for Hill so far. In his 17 post-return starts (removing the most recent blister-shortened affair), Hill has averaged more than six innings pitched per start. He has only failed to get through six innings three times. In a Dodger rotation struggling to get innings out of their starters, a healthy Hill is an outstanding leg up.When healthy, Rich Hill is one of the best pitchers in baseball, and there are no signs of rapid decline. It still could come at any moment because he’s old, but if that taper is gradual and he’s suddenly a number two starter, the Dodgers will absolutely take that. Hill has earned his performance, and is playing for what could be a sizable contract this winter. The injury risk is tremendous, he could remember that he’s old and pitch worse, but the Dodgers went and acquired the best pitcher available, warts and all.http://dodgersdigest.com/2016/08/02/the ... rich-hill/ Reply 31 / 83 1 31 83 Display: All posts1 day7 days2 weeks1 month3 months6 months1 year Sort by: AuthorPost timeSubject Sort by: AscendingDescending Jump to: Forum Rams/NFL Other Sports Rams Fans United Q&A's Board Business 821 posts Jun 23 2025
by maxxx power 8 years 10 months ago Total posts: 1016 Joined: Jan 13 2016 Norcal Pro Bowl Re: The Dodgers POST #306 As an A's fan I can tell you that you will enjoy Reddick. GREAT fielder/arm. Inconsistent bat. Streaky. But he's hot right now. Plays the game the right way. A fan favorite and he will be missed for sure.Hill having a very good year but sidelined lately by a blister. A BLISTER! Drsydale is spinning in his grave.Any info on Montas, Cotton or Holmes?Also, FOR THE LOVE OF ALL THAT IS HOLY PLEASE DESTROY THE GIANTS. They must never win another World Series. Self-Appointed Rams Historian RFU Season Ticket Holder by Rams Dominate 8 years 10 months ago Total posts: 240 Joined: May 27 2015 Monterey Peninsula Rookie Re: The Dodgers POST #307 Hey maxxx power, just saw this sorry I didn't answer sooner & about time I welcomed you altho I've seen your name on RRF...If you want to read about the 3 prospects you guys got go to www.dodgers.com & right on the 1st page under "Top 30 prospects",you can read all about your guys you got in this trade...We also got 2 more pitchers from the Astros so we bolstered our bullpen & starting pitching...Heard good things about Reddick, gold glove winner & is hitting close to .300 right now plus he hit 32 homers a couple years ago...Blisters are pretty common for pitchers, as for Drysdale, he just came at you side arm with 96mph heat & dared you to dig in on him, ask Frank Robinson, "spinning in his grave" LMAO! by maxxx power 8 years 10 months ago Total posts: 1016 Joined: Jan 13 2016 Norcal Pro Bowl Re: The Dodgers POST #308 Rams Dominate wrote:Hey maxxx power, just saw this sorry I didn't answer sooner & about time I welcomed you altho I've seen your name on RRF...If you want to read about the 3 prospects you guys got go to http://www.dodgers.com & right on the 1st page under "Top 30 prospects",you can read all about your guys you got in this trade...We also got 2 more pitchers from the Astros so we bolstered our bullpen & starting pitching...Heard good things about Reddick, gold glove winner & is hitting close to .300 right now plus he hit 32 homers a couple years ago...Blisters are pretty common for pitchers, as for Drysdale, he just came at you side arm with 96mph heat & dared you to dig in on him, ask Frank Robinson, "spinning in his grave" LMAO!Long story short(ish) - I grew up a HUUUUGE Dodgers fan in the 70s. HUGE! I was into them hard core before the Rams as baseball was my first love. My grandma was a Dodgers fan going back to Brooklyn.My favorite player was Dusty Baker. I wore #12 because he did. I played left field because he did. I copied his batting stance. After watching us lose to the hated Yankees in 77 and 78 we FINALLY won in 81. Then Garvey to Padres. Cey and Lopes end up on Cubs. Then they jettison Dusty. I was SO pissed. I followed him to his next team - the previously despised Giants. So I was a Giants fan for a year - 1984. Then he went to Oakland for his last two years in 85 and 86 so I followed him there. I was so angry at the Dodgers still for breaking that team up.Then along comes Canseco, McGwire and an old Dodger favorite Dave Stewart. So I stayed an A's fan since then.Sometimes I wish he had retired a Giant. Then I could have at least enjoyed 3 World Series wins. Rams can come and go and they can move to Mars - I will always be a fan. But when you're a young kid and they trade away the guy you've loved your whole life what're you gonna do? Self-Appointed Rams Historian RFU Season Ticket Holder by Hacksaw_64 8 years 10 months ago Total posts: 2686 Joined: Sep 08 2015 Inglewood, CA Moderator Re: The Dodgers POST #309 maxxx power wrote:As an A's fan I can tell you that you will enjoy Reddick. GREAT fielder/arm. Inconsistent bat. Streaky. But he's hot right now. Plays the game the right way. A fan favorite and he will be missed for sure.Hill having a very good year but sidelined lately by a blister. A BLISTER! Drsydale is spinning in his grave.Any info on Montas, Cotton or Holmes?Also, FOR THE LOVE OF ALL THAT IS HOLY PLEASE DESTROY THE GIANTS. They must never win another World Series.Didn't want to part with Grant Holmes. He's the best player in the deal(former first round pick in 2014), followed closely by Montas. Montas if healthy has Kenley Jansen type stuff. Has had some control issues, but throws in the high 97-99 range. Cotton was one of the biggest rising stars in the farm last year. Not pitched as well this season. He might turn into a decent 3/4 guy in the rotation. You guys actually got three really good pitching prospects. by Hacksaw_64 8 years 10 months ago Total posts: 2686 Joined: Sep 08 2015 Inglewood, CA Moderator Re: The Dodgers POST #310 The Upside of Rich Hill Daniel Brim August 2, 2016 Yesterday the Dodgers gave up some real talent for Josh Reddick and Rich Hill, two rental players. This post is going to focus on the Rich Hill part of that deal. The Dodgers needed rotation help, and Hill obviously carries tremendous risk.He’s been battling a blister for almost a month. Before that, he had a groin injury. The last (and only) time Hill has thrown more than 100 major-league innings was in 2007. He’s had Tommy John surgery, had a shoulder labrum repaired, suffered a pronator injury, had back problems, and many muscle issues. Last year, he pitched for the Long Island Ducks, an independent league team. His indie-league debut was one year ago today.And yet, this 36-year-old left-handed pitcher could well be the best pitcher traded at this year’s deadline, and may be precisely what the Dodgers need. It’s worth looking past the risk for a moment to see what the Dodgers could get in a healthy Rich Hill.The Red Sox signed Hill out of independent league ball last August to help fill some innings as they stumbled to another last-place finish. Hill rewarded their signing with four brilliant starts, striking out 39 batters and walking five in 29 innings. He was able to get a one year, six million dollar contract from the A’s to see if that brief performance wasn’t a fluke. Jon Heyman reported that the Dodgers were interested in matching the A’s contract, but Brett Anderson accepting the qualifying offer forced their hands. Hill has done all he can to prove that he is for real this season, putting up another 76 excellent innings for Oakland. He’s walking more batters than he did in his 2015 campaign, but he’s still missing a lot of bats.If you haven’t been paying attention to the A’s or Hill (understandable) you might have missed just how great he has been. Over the last calendar year, here are MLB’s ERA- leaders with at least 100 innings pitched: Clayton Kershaw, 44 Jake Arrieta, 45 Rich Hill, 50 Madison Bumgarner, 57If you’ve read this site for long enough, you know that 100 innings of ERA isn’t particularly reliable, but Hill’s success goes beyond that. Here are MLB’s best FIP- marks among the same pitchers in the same timespan: Kershaw, 43 Jose Fernandez, 58 Hill, 59 Arrieta, 63If you want to look past even FIP, the best way to do that now is DRA, Baseball Prospectus’ pitching metric. DRA models events like the ballpark and temperature on a certain day, individual batter results, and other factors, which creates an ERA estimator. It’s a better approach to solve contact quality problems than xFIP, and has been shown to be as reliable or more reliable than FIP (though it’s more difficult to explain why a pitcher is ranked in a particular way). BP does not have a “last calendar year” split tool, but since Hill’s return his DRA- is about 76, which would rank him among the top 10 starting pitchers in either 2015 or 2016.Explaining Hill’s dominance in fundamental pitching terms is not that difficult, either. Below is a plot with all 134 pitchers with at least 70 innings this season. On the X axis is a pitcher’s in-zone swing rate (how often does a batter swing at a strike). Lower values are better. On the Y axis is a pitcher’s overall contact rate (when a batter swings, how often does he hit it). Again, lower values are better. These aren’t the only two ingredients of pitching (it wouldn’t really show control problems), but if a pitcher is good at these two things he’s on the right track. Hill is nearly on his own on the lower-left, right where a pitcher would want to be. He’s third-best in in-zone swing rate, and he’s tenth-best in overall contact rate. There aren’t really many signs in this limited sample that Hill is due to regress.This brings up the other part about Hill worth mentioning: his unique path to success. Hill has frequently been a two-pitch guy, back to his years as a bad reliever and a mediocre starter. There were years when he’d mix in a two-seam fastball, but he hasn’t relied heavily upon a slider or changeup in the entire PITCHf/x era. He would frequently tinker with release point and usage, but had trouble finding the strike zone which reduced the impact of his good strikeout rates.Hill’s latest run of dominance is his first try at being a starter since 2009. Unlike his previous attempts, he’s not really making any effort to lead with his fastball. In 2016, Hill has thrown 605 fourseam fastballs and 605 curves, to go with 100 other pitches (mostly sliders). If ever there was a case for pitching “backwards,” Hill is that case. He’s like Mike Bolsinger, if Bolsinger threw his fastball 3 mph faster and had 10 mph more separation with his curve velocity. Another Dodger comparable might be late-career Josh Beckett, but even Beckett mixed in 20% cutters and 10% changeups.The curious thing is that Hill’s repertoire change has really made his fastball play up. Among the 151 starting pitchers who have thrown at least 200 fourseam fastballs this season, here are the top whiff/swing rates: Rich Hill, 36.0% David Price, 28.9%Hill’s fastball leads starters and does so by a gigantic margin. For comparison, Clayton Kershaw is 20th at 22.5%, Jose Fernandez is 16th with 23.4%, and Noah Syndergaard is 18th with 23.1%. Rich Hill gets 1.5x more whiffs per swing on his fastball than Noah Syndergaard, who averages 99mph. If relievers are added to that list, Hill falls to a tie for second (behind Carl Edwards of the Cubs and matching Justin Wilson of the Tigers), but he’s still one spot ahead of Aroldis Chapman‘s famous 101mph offering. Hill is also inducing a higher rate of swings on his fastball than he did previously. It’s a devastating combination.Hill’s fastball is not a bad pitch at 91 from the left side and gets the benefit of excellent horizontal movement resulting from good spin. Plus, batters don’t see it as much, which can improve results if they’re sitting on the curve. Hill’s curve has a superlative spin rate which translates into the fifth-best horizontal movement and 14th-best vertical movement among starting pitchers. When betters do make contact, they hit the curve on the ground 65% of the time, enough to reduce the impact of batted balls.One potential drawback to this unique pitching style is that it may not work well as a pitcher goes through the order multiple times, but since Hill’s return the story isn’t clean: PA K% BB% BA OBP SLG1st time through 153 32.7% 8.4% .242 .327 .3612nd time through 149 24.8% 9.3% .154 .255 .2003rd time through 108 35.2% 5.6% .150 .213 .1804th time through 7 14.3% 0.0% .143 .143 .143If anything, Hill’s results get better as he goes through a lineup more than once. The strikeout/walk numbers don’t follow a pattern and the in-play results improve steadily as he goes deeper into games. Previous times through the order results do not predict future times through the order results well, but these data show that this has not been an issue for Hill so far. In his 17 post-return starts (removing the most recent blister-shortened affair), Hill has averaged more than six innings pitched per start. He has only failed to get through six innings three times. In a Dodger rotation struggling to get innings out of their starters, a healthy Hill is an outstanding leg up.When healthy, Rich Hill is one of the best pitchers in baseball, and there are no signs of rapid decline. It still could come at any moment because he’s old, but if that taper is gradual and he’s suddenly a number two starter, the Dodgers will absolutely take that. Hill has earned his performance, and is playing for what could be a sizable contract this winter. The injury risk is tremendous, he could remember that he’s old and pitch worse, but the Dodgers went and acquired the best pitcher available, warts and all.http://dodgersdigest.com/2016/08/02/the ... rich-hill/ Reply 31 / 83 1 31 83 Display: All posts1 day7 days2 weeks1 month3 months6 months1 year Sort by: AuthorPost timeSubject Sort by: AscendingDescending Jump to: Forum Rams/NFL Other Sports Rams Fans United Q&A's Board Business 821 posts Jun 23 2025
by Rams Dominate 8 years 10 months ago Total posts: 240 Joined: May 27 2015 Monterey Peninsula Rookie Re: The Dodgers POST #307 Hey maxxx power, just saw this sorry I didn't answer sooner & about time I welcomed you altho I've seen your name on RRF...If you want to read about the 3 prospects you guys got go to www.dodgers.com & right on the 1st page under "Top 30 prospects",you can read all about your guys you got in this trade...We also got 2 more pitchers from the Astros so we bolstered our bullpen & starting pitching...Heard good things about Reddick, gold glove winner & is hitting close to .300 right now plus he hit 32 homers a couple years ago...Blisters are pretty common for pitchers, as for Drysdale, he just came at you side arm with 96mph heat & dared you to dig in on him, ask Frank Robinson, "spinning in his grave" LMAO! by maxxx power 8 years 10 months ago Total posts: 1016 Joined: Jan 13 2016 Norcal Pro Bowl Re: The Dodgers POST #308 Rams Dominate wrote:Hey maxxx power, just saw this sorry I didn't answer sooner & about time I welcomed you altho I've seen your name on RRF...If you want to read about the 3 prospects you guys got go to http://www.dodgers.com & right on the 1st page under "Top 30 prospects",you can read all about your guys you got in this trade...We also got 2 more pitchers from the Astros so we bolstered our bullpen & starting pitching...Heard good things about Reddick, gold glove winner & is hitting close to .300 right now plus he hit 32 homers a couple years ago...Blisters are pretty common for pitchers, as for Drysdale, he just came at you side arm with 96mph heat & dared you to dig in on him, ask Frank Robinson, "spinning in his grave" LMAO!Long story short(ish) - I grew up a HUUUUGE Dodgers fan in the 70s. HUGE! I was into them hard core before the Rams as baseball was my first love. My grandma was a Dodgers fan going back to Brooklyn.My favorite player was Dusty Baker. I wore #12 because he did. I played left field because he did. I copied his batting stance. After watching us lose to the hated Yankees in 77 and 78 we FINALLY won in 81. Then Garvey to Padres. Cey and Lopes end up on Cubs. Then they jettison Dusty. I was SO pissed. I followed him to his next team - the previously despised Giants. So I was a Giants fan for a year - 1984. Then he went to Oakland for his last two years in 85 and 86 so I followed him there. I was so angry at the Dodgers still for breaking that team up.Then along comes Canseco, McGwire and an old Dodger favorite Dave Stewart. So I stayed an A's fan since then.Sometimes I wish he had retired a Giant. Then I could have at least enjoyed 3 World Series wins. Rams can come and go and they can move to Mars - I will always be a fan. But when you're a young kid and they trade away the guy you've loved your whole life what're you gonna do? Self-Appointed Rams Historian RFU Season Ticket Holder by Hacksaw_64 8 years 10 months ago Total posts: 2686 Joined: Sep 08 2015 Inglewood, CA Moderator Re: The Dodgers POST #309 maxxx power wrote:As an A's fan I can tell you that you will enjoy Reddick. GREAT fielder/arm. Inconsistent bat. Streaky. But he's hot right now. Plays the game the right way. A fan favorite and he will be missed for sure.Hill having a very good year but sidelined lately by a blister. A BLISTER! Drsydale is spinning in his grave.Any info on Montas, Cotton or Holmes?Also, FOR THE LOVE OF ALL THAT IS HOLY PLEASE DESTROY THE GIANTS. They must never win another World Series.Didn't want to part with Grant Holmes. He's the best player in the deal(former first round pick in 2014), followed closely by Montas. Montas if healthy has Kenley Jansen type stuff. Has had some control issues, but throws in the high 97-99 range. Cotton was one of the biggest rising stars in the farm last year. Not pitched as well this season. He might turn into a decent 3/4 guy in the rotation. You guys actually got three really good pitching prospects. by Hacksaw_64 8 years 10 months ago Total posts: 2686 Joined: Sep 08 2015 Inglewood, CA Moderator Re: The Dodgers POST #310 The Upside of Rich Hill Daniel Brim August 2, 2016 Yesterday the Dodgers gave up some real talent for Josh Reddick and Rich Hill, two rental players. This post is going to focus on the Rich Hill part of that deal. The Dodgers needed rotation help, and Hill obviously carries tremendous risk.He’s been battling a blister for almost a month. Before that, he had a groin injury. The last (and only) time Hill has thrown more than 100 major-league innings was in 2007. He’s had Tommy John surgery, had a shoulder labrum repaired, suffered a pronator injury, had back problems, and many muscle issues. Last year, he pitched for the Long Island Ducks, an independent league team. His indie-league debut was one year ago today.And yet, this 36-year-old left-handed pitcher could well be the best pitcher traded at this year’s deadline, and may be precisely what the Dodgers need. It’s worth looking past the risk for a moment to see what the Dodgers could get in a healthy Rich Hill.The Red Sox signed Hill out of independent league ball last August to help fill some innings as they stumbled to another last-place finish. Hill rewarded their signing with four brilliant starts, striking out 39 batters and walking five in 29 innings. He was able to get a one year, six million dollar contract from the A’s to see if that brief performance wasn’t a fluke. Jon Heyman reported that the Dodgers were interested in matching the A’s contract, but Brett Anderson accepting the qualifying offer forced their hands. Hill has done all he can to prove that he is for real this season, putting up another 76 excellent innings for Oakland. He’s walking more batters than he did in his 2015 campaign, but he’s still missing a lot of bats.If you haven’t been paying attention to the A’s or Hill (understandable) you might have missed just how great he has been. Over the last calendar year, here are MLB’s ERA- leaders with at least 100 innings pitched: Clayton Kershaw, 44 Jake Arrieta, 45 Rich Hill, 50 Madison Bumgarner, 57If you’ve read this site for long enough, you know that 100 innings of ERA isn’t particularly reliable, but Hill’s success goes beyond that. Here are MLB’s best FIP- marks among the same pitchers in the same timespan: Kershaw, 43 Jose Fernandez, 58 Hill, 59 Arrieta, 63If you want to look past even FIP, the best way to do that now is DRA, Baseball Prospectus’ pitching metric. DRA models events like the ballpark and temperature on a certain day, individual batter results, and other factors, which creates an ERA estimator. It’s a better approach to solve contact quality problems than xFIP, and has been shown to be as reliable or more reliable than FIP (though it’s more difficult to explain why a pitcher is ranked in a particular way). BP does not have a “last calendar year” split tool, but since Hill’s return his DRA- is about 76, which would rank him among the top 10 starting pitchers in either 2015 or 2016.Explaining Hill’s dominance in fundamental pitching terms is not that difficult, either. Below is a plot with all 134 pitchers with at least 70 innings this season. On the X axis is a pitcher’s in-zone swing rate (how often does a batter swing at a strike). Lower values are better. On the Y axis is a pitcher’s overall contact rate (when a batter swings, how often does he hit it). Again, lower values are better. These aren’t the only two ingredients of pitching (it wouldn’t really show control problems), but if a pitcher is good at these two things he’s on the right track. Hill is nearly on his own on the lower-left, right where a pitcher would want to be. He’s third-best in in-zone swing rate, and he’s tenth-best in overall contact rate. There aren’t really many signs in this limited sample that Hill is due to regress.This brings up the other part about Hill worth mentioning: his unique path to success. Hill has frequently been a two-pitch guy, back to his years as a bad reliever and a mediocre starter. There were years when he’d mix in a two-seam fastball, but he hasn’t relied heavily upon a slider or changeup in the entire PITCHf/x era. He would frequently tinker with release point and usage, but had trouble finding the strike zone which reduced the impact of his good strikeout rates.Hill’s latest run of dominance is his first try at being a starter since 2009. Unlike his previous attempts, he’s not really making any effort to lead with his fastball. In 2016, Hill has thrown 605 fourseam fastballs and 605 curves, to go with 100 other pitches (mostly sliders). If ever there was a case for pitching “backwards,” Hill is that case. He’s like Mike Bolsinger, if Bolsinger threw his fastball 3 mph faster and had 10 mph more separation with his curve velocity. Another Dodger comparable might be late-career Josh Beckett, but even Beckett mixed in 20% cutters and 10% changeups.The curious thing is that Hill’s repertoire change has really made his fastball play up. Among the 151 starting pitchers who have thrown at least 200 fourseam fastballs this season, here are the top whiff/swing rates: Rich Hill, 36.0% David Price, 28.9%Hill’s fastball leads starters and does so by a gigantic margin. For comparison, Clayton Kershaw is 20th at 22.5%, Jose Fernandez is 16th with 23.4%, and Noah Syndergaard is 18th with 23.1%. Rich Hill gets 1.5x more whiffs per swing on his fastball than Noah Syndergaard, who averages 99mph. If relievers are added to that list, Hill falls to a tie for second (behind Carl Edwards of the Cubs and matching Justin Wilson of the Tigers), but he’s still one spot ahead of Aroldis Chapman‘s famous 101mph offering. Hill is also inducing a higher rate of swings on his fastball than he did previously. It’s a devastating combination.Hill’s fastball is not a bad pitch at 91 from the left side and gets the benefit of excellent horizontal movement resulting from good spin. Plus, batters don’t see it as much, which can improve results if they’re sitting on the curve. Hill’s curve has a superlative spin rate which translates into the fifth-best horizontal movement and 14th-best vertical movement among starting pitchers. When betters do make contact, they hit the curve on the ground 65% of the time, enough to reduce the impact of batted balls.One potential drawback to this unique pitching style is that it may not work well as a pitcher goes through the order multiple times, but since Hill’s return the story isn’t clean: PA K% BB% BA OBP SLG1st time through 153 32.7% 8.4% .242 .327 .3612nd time through 149 24.8% 9.3% .154 .255 .2003rd time through 108 35.2% 5.6% .150 .213 .1804th time through 7 14.3% 0.0% .143 .143 .143If anything, Hill’s results get better as he goes through a lineup more than once. The strikeout/walk numbers don’t follow a pattern and the in-play results improve steadily as he goes deeper into games. Previous times through the order results do not predict future times through the order results well, but these data show that this has not been an issue for Hill so far. In his 17 post-return starts (removing the most recent blister-shortened affair), Hill has averaged more than six innings pitched per start. He has only failed to get through six innings three times. In a Dodger rotation struggling to get innings out of their starters, a healthy Hill is an outstanding leg up.When healthy, Rich Hill is one of the best pitchers in baseball, and there are no signs of rapid decline. It still could come at any moment because he’s old, but if that taper is gradual and he’s suddenly a number two starter, the Dodgers will absolutely take that. Hill has earned his performance, and is playing for what could be a sizable contract this winter. The injury risk is tremendous, he could remember that he’s old and pitch worse, but the Dodgers went and acquired the best pitcher available, warts and all.http://dodgersdigest.com/2016/08/02/the ... rich-hill/ Reply 31 / 83 1 31 83 Display: All posts1 day7 days2 weeks1 month3 months6 months1 year Sort by: AuthorPost timeSubject Sort by: AscendingDescending Jump to: Forum Rams/NFL Other Sports Rams Fans United Q&A's Board Business 821 posts Jun 23 2025
by maxxx power 8 years 10 months ago Total posts: 1016 Joined: Jan 13 2016 Norcal Pro Bowl Re: The Dodgers POST #308 Rams Dominate wrote:Hey maxxx power, just saw this sorry I didn't answer sooner & about time I welcomed you altho I've seen your name on RRF...If you want to read about the 3 prospects you guys got go to http://www.dodgers.com & right on the 1st page under "Top 30 prospects",you can read all about your guys you got in this trade...We also got 2 more pitchers from the Astros so we bolstered our bullpen & starting pitching...Heard good things about Reddick, gold glove winner & is hitting close to .300 right now plus he hit 32 homers a couple years ago...Blisters are pretty common for pitchers, as for Drysdale, he just came at you side arm with 96mph heat & dared you to dig in on him, ask Frank Robinson, "spinning in his grave" LMAO!Long story short(ish) - I grew up a HUUUUGE Dodgers fan in the 70s. HUGE! I was into them hard core before the Rams as baseball was my first love. My grandma was a Dodgers fan going back to Brooklyn.My favorite player was Dusty Baker. I wore #12 because he did. I played left field because he did. I copied his batting stance. After watching us lose to the hated Yankees in 77 and 78 we FINALLY won in 81. Then Garvey to Padres. Cey and Lopes end up on Cubs. Then they jettison Dusty. I was SO pissed. I followed him to his next team - the previously despised Giants. So I was a Giants fan for a year - 1984. Then he went to Oakland for his last two years in 85 and 86 so I followed him there. I was so angry at the Dodgers still for breaking that team up.Then along comes Canseco, McGwire and an old Dodger favorite Dave Stewart. So I stayed an A's fan since then.Sometimes I wish he had retired a Giant. Then I could have at least enjoyed 3 World Series wins. Rams can come and go and they can move to Mars - I will always be a fan. But when you're a young kid and they trade away the guy you've loved your whole life what're you gonna do? Self-Appointed Rams Historian RFU Season Ticket Holder by Hacksaw_64 8 years 10 months ago Total posts: 2686 Joined: Sep 08 2015 Inglewood, CA Moderator Re: The Dodgers POST #309 maxxx power wrote:As an A's fan I can tell you that you will enjoy Reddick. GREAT fielder/arm. Inconsistent bat. Streaky. But he's hot right now. Plays the game the right way. A fan favorite and he will be missed for sure.Hill having a very good year but sidelined lately by a blister. A BLISTER! Drsydale is spinning in his grave.Any info on Montas, Cotton or Holmes?Also, FOR THE LOVE OF ALL THAT IS HOLY PLEASE DESTROY THE GIANTS. They must never win another World Series.Didn't want to part with Grant Holmes. He's the best player in the deal(former first round pick in 2014), followed closely by Montas. Montas if healthy has Kenley Jansen type stuff. Has had some control issues, but throws in the high 97-99 range. Cotton was one of the biggest rising stars in the farm last year. Not pitched as well this season. He might turn into a decent 3/4 guy in the rotation. You guys actually got three really good pitching prospects. by Hacksaw_64 8 years 10 months ago Total posts: 2686 Joined: Sep 08 2015 Inglewood, CA Moderator Re: The Dodgers POST #310 The Upside of Rich Hill Daniel Brim August 2, 2016 Yesterday the Dodgers gave up some real talent for Josh Reddick and Rich Hill, two rental players. This post is going to focus on the Rich Hill part of that deal. The Dodgers needed rotation help, and Hill obviously carries tremendous risk.He’s been battling a blister for almost a month. Before that, he had a groin injury. The last (and only) time Hill has thrown more than 100 major-league innings was in 2007. He’s had Tommy John surgery, had a shoulder labrum repaired, suffered a pronator injury, had back problems, and many muscle issues. Last year, he pitched for the Long Island Ducks, an independent league team. His indie-league debut was one year ago today.And yet, this 36-year-old left-handed pitcher could well be the best pitcher traded at this year’s deadline, and may be precisely what the Dodgers need. It’s worth looking past the risk for a moment to see what the Dodgers could get in a healthy Rich Hill.The Red Sox signed Hill out of independent league ball last August to help fill some innings as they stumbled to another last-place finish. Hill rewarded their signing with four brilliant starts, striking out 39 batters and walking five in 29 innings. He was able to get a one year, six million dollar contract from the A’s to see if that brief performance wasn’t a fluke. Jon Heyman reported that the Dodgers were interested in matching the A’s contract, but Brett Anderson accepting the qualifying offer forced their hands. Hill has done all he can to prove that he is for real this season, putting up another 76 excellent innings for Oakland. He’s walking more batters than he did in his 2015 campaign, but he’s still missing a lot of bats.If you haven’t been paying attention to the A’s or Hill (understandable) you might have missed just how great he has been. Over the last calendar year, here are MLB’s ERA- leaders with at least 100 innings pitched: Clayton Kershaw, 44 Jake Arrieta, 45 Rich Hill, 50 Madison Bumgarner, 57If you’ve read this site for long enough, you know that 100 innings of ERA isn’t particularly reliable, but Hill’s success goes beyond that. Here are MLB’s best FIP- marks among the same pitchers in the same timespan: Kershaw, 43 Jose Fernandez, 58 Hill, 59 Arrieta, 63If you want to look past even FIP, the best way to do that now is DRA, Baseball Prospectus’ pitching metric. DRA models events like the ballpark and temperature on a certain day, individual batter results, and other factors, which creates an ERA estimator. It’s a better approach to solve contact quality problems than xFIP, and has been shown to be as reliable or more reliable than FIP (though it’s more difficult to explain why a pitcher is ranked in a particular way). BP does not have a “last calendar year” split tool, but since Hill’s return his DRA- is about 76, which would rank him among the top 10 starting pitchers in either 2015 or 2016.Explaining Hill’s dominance in fundamental pitching terms is not that difficult, either. Below is a plot with all 134 pitchers with at least 70 innings this season. On the X axis is a pitcher’s in-zone swing rate (how often does a batter swing at a strike). Lower values are better. On the Y axis is a pitcher’s overall contact rate (when a batter swings, how often does he hit it). Again, lower values are better. These aren’t the only two ingredients of pitching (it wouldn’t really show control problems), but if a pitcher is good at these two things he’s on the right track. Hill is nearly on his own on the lower-left, right where a pitcher would want to be. He’s third-best in in-zone swing rate, and he’s tenth-best in overall contact rate. There aren’t really many signs in this limited sample that Hill is due to regress.This brings up the other part about Hill worth mentioning: his unique path to success. Hill has frequently been a two-pitch guy, back to his years as a bad reliever and a mediocre starter. There were years when he’d mix in a two-seam fastball, but he hasn’t relied heavily upon a slider or changeup in the entire PITCHf/x era. He would frequently tinker with release point and usage, but had trouble finding the strike zone which reduced the impact of his good strikeout rates.Hill’s latest run of dominance is his first try at being a starter since 2009. Unlike his previous attempts, he’s not really making any effort to lead with his fastball. In 2016, Hill has thrown 605 fourseam fastballs and 605 curves, to go with 100 other pitches (mostly sliders). If ever there was a case for pitching “backwards,” Hill is that case. He’s like Mike Bolsinger, if Bolsinger threw his fastball 3 mph faster and had 10 mph more separation with his curve velocity. Another Dodger comparable might be late-career Josh Beckett, but even Beckett mixed in 20% cutters and 10% changeups.The curious thing is that Hill’s repertoire change has really made his fastball play up. Among the 151 starting pitchers who have thrown at least 200 fourseam fastballs this season, here are the top whiff/swing rates: Rich Hill, 36.0% David Price, 28.9%Hill’s fastball leads starters and does so by a gigantic margin. For comparison, Clayton Kershaw is 20th at 22.5%, Jose Fernandez is 16th with 23.4%, and Noah Syndergaard is 18th with 23.1%. Rich Hill gets 1.5x more whiffs per swing on his fastball than Noah Syndergaard, who averages 99mph. If relievers are added to that list, Hill falls to a tie for second (behind Carl Edwards of the Cubs and matching Justin Wilson of the Tigers), but he’s still one spot ahead of Aroldis Chapman‘s famous 101mph offering. Hill is also inducing a higher rate of swings on his fastball than he did previously. It’s a devastating combination.Hill’s fastball is not a bad pitch at 91 from the left side and gets the benefit of excellent horizontal movement resulting from good spin. Plus, batters don’t see it as much, which can improve results if they’re sitting on the curve. Hill’s curve has a superlative spin rate which translates into the fifth-best horizontal movement and 14th-best vertical movement among starting pitchers. When betters do make contact, they hit the curve on the ground 65% of the time, enough to reduce the impact of batted balls.One potential drawback to this unique pitching style is that it may not work well as a pitcher goes through the order multiple times, but since Hill’s return the story isn’t clean: PA K% BB% BA OBP SLG1st time through 153 32.7% 8.4% .242 .327 .3612nd time through 149 24.8% 9.3% .154 .255 .2003rd time through 108 35.2% 5.6% .150 .213 .1804th time through 7 14.3% 0.0% .143 .143 .143If anything, Hill’s results get better as he goes through a lineup more than once. The strikeout/walk numbers don’t follow a pattern and the in-play results improve steadily as he goes deeper into games. Previous times through the order results do not predict future times through the order results well, but these data show that this has not been an issue for Hill so far. In his 17 post-return starts (removing the most recent blister-shortened affair), Hill has averaged more than six innings pitched per start. He has only failed to get through six innings three times. In a Dodger rotation struggling to get innings out of their starters, a healthy Hill is an outstanding leg up.When healthy, Rich Hill is one of the best pitchers in baseball, and there are no signs of rapid decline. It still could come at any moment because he’s old, but if that taper is gradual and he’s suddenly a number two starter, the Dodgers will absolutely take that. Hill has earned his performance, and is playing for what could be a sizable contract this winter. The injury risk is tremendous, he could remember that he’s old and pitch worse, but the Dodgers went and acquired the best pitcher available, warts and all.http://dodgersdigest.com/2016/08/02/the ... rich-hill/ Reply 31 / 83 1 31 83 Display: All posts1 day7 days2 weeks1 month3 months6 months1 year Sort by: AuthorPost timeSubject Sort by: AscendingDescending Jump to: Forum Rams/NFL Other Sports Rams Fans United Q&A's Board Business 821 posts Jun 23 2025
by Hacksaw_64 8 years 10 months ago Total posts: 2686 Joined: Sep 08 2015 Inglewood, CA Moderator Re: The Dodgers POST #309 maxxx power wrote:As an A's fan I can tell you that you will enjoy Reddick. GREAT fielder/arm. Inconsistent bat. Streaky. But he's hot right now. Plays the game the right way. A fan favorite and he will be missed for sure.Hill having a very good year but sidelined lately by a blister. A BLISTER! Drsydale is spinning in his grave.Any info on Montas, Cotton or Holmes?Also, FOR THE LOVE OF ALL THAT IS HOLY PLEASE DESTROY THE GIANTS. They must never win another World Series.Didn't want to part with Grant Holmes. He's the best player in the deal(former first round pick in 2014), followed closely by Montas. Montas if healthy has Kenley Jansen type stuff. Has had some control issues, but throws in the high 97-99 range. Cotton was one of the biggest rising stars in the farm last year. Not pitched as well this season. He might turn into a decent 3/4 guy in the rotation. You guys actually got three really good pitching prospects. by Hacksaw_64 8 years 10 months ago Total posts: 2686 Joined: Sep 08 2015 Inglewood, CA Moderator Re: The Dodgers POST #310 The Upside of Rich Hill Daniel Brim August 2, 2016 Yesterday the Dodgers gave up some real talent for Josh Reddick and Rich Hill, two rental players. This post is going to focus on the Rich Hill part of that deal. The Dodgers needed rotation help, and Hill obviously carries tremendous risk.He’s been battling a blister for almost a month. Before that, he had a groin injury. The last (and only) time Hill has thrown more than 100 major-league innings was in 2007. He’s had Tommy John surgery, had a shoulder labrum repaired, suffered a pronator injury, had back problems, and many muscle issues. Last year, he pitched for the Long Island Ducks, an independent league team. His indie-league debut was one year ago today.And yet, this 36-year-old left-handed pitcher could well be the best pitcher traded at this year’s deadline, and may be precisely what the Dodgers need. It’s worth looking past the risk for a moment to see what the Dodgers could get in a healthy Rich Hill.The Red Sox signed Hill out of independent league ball last August to help fill some innings as they stumbled to another last-place finish. Hill rewarded their signing with four brilliant starts, striking out 39 batters and walking five in 29 innings. He was able to get a one year, six million dollar contract from the A’s to see if that brief performance wasn’t a fluke. Jon Heyman reported that the Dodgers were interested in matching the A’s contract, but Brett Anderson accepting the qualifying offer forced their hands. Hill has done all he can to prove that he is for real this season, putting up another 76 excellent innings for Oakland. He’s walking more batters than he did in his 2015 campaign, but he’s still missing a lot of bats.If you haven’t been paying attention to the A’s or Hill (understandable) you might have missed just how great he has been. Over the last calendar year, here are MLB’s ERA- leaders with at least 100 innings pitched: Clayton Kershaw, 44 Jake Arrieta, 45 Rich Hill, 50 Madison Bumgarner, 57If you’ve read this site for long enough, you know that 100 innings of ERA isn’t particularly reliable, but Hill’s success goes beyond that. Here are MLB’s best FIP- marks among the same pitchers in the same timespan: Kershaw, 43 Jose Fernandez, 58 Hill, 59 Arrieta, 63If you want to look past even FIP, the best way to do that now is DRA, Baseball Prospectus’ pitching metric. DRA models events like the ballpark and temperature on a certain day, individual batter results, and other factors, which creates an ERA estimator. It’s a better approach to solve contact quality problems than xFIP, and has been shown to be as reliable or more reliable than FIP (though it’s more difficult to explain why a pitcher is ranked in a particular way). BP does not have a “last calendar year” split tool, but since Hill’s return his DRA- is about 76, which would rank him among the top 10 starting pitchers in either 2015 or 2016.Explaining Hill’s dominance in fundamental pitching terms is not that difficult, either. Below is a plot with all 134 pitchers with at least 70 innings this season. On the X axis is a pitcher’s in-zone swing rate (how often does a batter swing at a strike). Lower values are better. On the Y axis is a pitcher’s overall contact rate (when a batter swings, how often does he hit it). Again, lower values are better. These aren’t the only two ingredients of pitching (it wouldn’t really show control problems), but if a pitcher is good at these two things he’s on the right track. Hill is nearly on his own on the lower-left, right where a pitcher would want to be. He’s third-best in in-zone swing rate, and he’s tenth-best in overall contact rate. There aren’t really many signs in this limited sample that Hill is due to regress.This brings up the other part about Hill worth mentioning: his unique path to success. Hill has frequently been a two-pitch guy, back to his years as a bad reliever and a mediocre starter. There were years when he’d mix in a two-seam fastball, but he hasn’t relied heavily upon a slider or changeup in the entire PITCHf/x era. He would frequently tinker with release point and usage, but had trouble finding the strike zone which reduced the impact of his good strikeout rates.Hill’s latest run of dominance is his first try at being a starter since 2009. Unlike his previous attempts, he’s not really making any effort to lead with his fastball. In 2016, Hill has thrown 605 fourseam fastballs and 605 curves, to go with 100 other pitches (mostly sliders). If ever there was a case for pitching “backwards,” Hill is that case. He’s like Mike Bolsinger, if Bolsinger threw his fastball 3 mph faster and had 10 mph more separation with his curve velocity. Another Dodger comparable might be late-career Josh Beckett, but even Beckett mixed in 20% cutters and 10% changeups.The curious thing is that Hill’s repertoire change has really made his fastball play up. Among the 151 starting pitchers who have thrown at least 200 fourseam fastballs this season, here are the top whiff/swing rates: Rich Hill, 36.0% David Price, 28.9%Hill’s fastball leads starters and does so by a gigantic margin. For comparison, Clayton Kershaw is 20th at 22.5%, Jose Fernandez is 16th with 23.4%, and Noah Syndergaard is 18th with 23.1%. Rich Hill gets 1.5x more whiffs per swing on his fastball than Noah Syndergaard, who averages 99mph. If relievers are added to that list, Hill falls to a tie for second (behind Carl Edwards of the Cubs and matching Justin Wilson of the Tigers), but he’s still one spot ahead of Aroldis Chapman‘s famous 101mph offering. Hill is also inducing a higher rate of swings on his fastball than he did previously. It’s a devastating combination.Hill’s fastball is not a bad pitch at 91 from the left side and gets the benefit of excellent horizontal movement resulting from good spin. Plus, batters don’t see it as much, which can improve results if they’re sitting on the curve. Hill’s curve has a superlative spin rate which translates into the fifth-best horizontal movement and 14th-best vertical movement among starting pitchers. When betters do make contact, they hit the curve on the ground 65% of the time, enough to reduce the impact of batted balls.One potential drawback to this unique pitching style is that it may not work well as a pitcher goes through the order multiple times, but since Hill’s return the story isn’t clean: PA K% BB% BA OBP SLG1st time through 153 32.7% 8.4% .242 .327 .3612nd time through 149 24.8% 9.3% .154 .255 .2003rd time through 108 35.2% 5.6% .150 .213 .1804th time through 7 14.3% 0.0% .143 .143 .143If anything, Hill’s results get better as he goes through a lineup more than once. The strikeout/walk numbers don’t follow a pattern and the in-play results improve steadily as he goes deeper into games. Previous times through the order results do not predict future times through the order results well, but these data show that this has not been an issue for Hill so far. In his 17 post-return starts (removing the most recent blister-shortened affair), Hill has averaged more than six innings pitched per start. He has only failed to get through six innings three times. In a Dodger rotation struggling to get innings out of their starters, a healthy Hill is an outstanding leg up.When healthy, Rich Hill is one of the best pitchers in baseball, and there are no signs of rapid decline. It still could come at any moment because he’s old, but if that taper is gradual and he’s suddenly a number two starter, the Dodgers will absolutely take that. Hill has earned his performance, and is playing for what could be a sizable contract this winter. The injury risk is tremendous, he could remember that he’s old and pitch worse, but the Dodgers went and acquired the best pitcher available, warts and all.http://dodgersdigest.com/2016/08/02/the ... rich-hill/ Reply 31 / 83 1 31 83 Display: All posts1 day7 days2 weeks1 month3 months6 months1 year Sort by: AuthorPost timeSubject Sort by: AscendingDescending Jump to: Forum Rams/NFL Other Sports Rams Fans United Q&A's Board Business 821 posts Jun 23 2025
by Hacksaw_64 8 years 10 months ago Total posts: 2686 Joined: Sep 08 2015 Inglewood, CA Moderator Re: The Dodgers POST #310 The Upside of Rich Hill Daniel Brim August 2, 2016 Yesterday the Dodgers gave up some real talent for Josh Reddick and Rich Hill, two rental players. This post is going to focus on the Rich Hill part of that deal. The Dodgers needed rotation help, and Hill obviously carries tremendous risk.He’s been battling a blister for almost a month. Before that, he had a groin injury. The last (and only) time Hill has thrown more than 100 major-league innings was in 2007. He’s had Tommy John surgery, had a shoulder labrum repaired, suffered a pronator injury, had back problems, and many muscle issues. Last year, he pitched for the Long Island Ducks, an independent league team. His indie-league debut was one year ago today.And yet, this 36-year-old left-handed pitcher could well be the best pitcher traded at this year’s deadline, and may be precisely what the Dodgers need. It’s worth looking past the risk for a moment to see what the Dodgers could get in a healthy Rich Hill.The Red Sox signed Hill out of independent league ball last August to help fill some innings as they stumbled to another last-place finish. Hill rewarded their signing with four brilliant starts, striking out 39 batters and walking five in 29 innings. He was able to get a one year, six million dollar contract from the A’s to see if that brief performance wasn’t a fluke. Jon Heyman reported that the Dodgers were interested in matching the A’s contract, but Brett Anderson accepting the qualifying offer forced their hands. Hill has done all he can to prove that he is for real this season, putting up another 76 excellent innings for Oakland. He’s walking more batters than he did in his 2015 campaign, but he’s still missing a lot of bats.If you haven’t been paying attention to the A’s or Hill (understandable) you might have missed just how great he has been. Over the last calendar year, here are MLB’s ERA- leaders with at least 100 innings pitched: Clayton Kershaw, 44 Jake Arrieta, 45 Rich Hill, 50 Madison Bumgarner, 57If you’ve read this site for long enough, you know that 100 innings of ERA isn’t particularly reliable, but Hill’s success goes beyond that. Here are MLB’s best FIP- marks among the same pitchers in the same timespan: Kershaw, 43 Jose Fernandez, 58 Hill, 59 Arrieta, 63If you want to look past even FIP, the best way to do that now is DRA, Baseball Prospectus’ pitching metric. DRA models events like the ballpark and temperature on a certain day, individual batter results, and other factors, which creates an ERA estimator. It’s a better approach to solve contact quality problems than xFIP, and has been shown to be as reliable or more reliable than FIP (though it’s more difficult to explain why a pitcher is ranked in a particular way). BP does not have a “last calendar year” split tool, but since Hill’s return his DRA- is about 76, which would rank him among the top 10 starting pitchers in either 2015 or 2016.Explaining Hill’s dominance in fundamental pitching terms is not that difficult, either. Below is a plot with all 134 pitchers with at least 70 innings this season. On the X axis is a pitcher’s in-zone swing rate (how often does a batter swing at a strike). Lower values are better. On the Y axis is a pitcher’s overall contact rate (when a batter swings, how often does he hit it). Again, lower values are better. These aren’t the only two ingredients of pitching (it wouldn’t really show control problems), but if a pitcher is good at these two things he’s on the right track. Hill is nearly on his own on the lower-left, right where a pitcher would want to be. He’s third-best in in-zone swing rate, and he’s tenth-best in overall contact rate. There aren’t really many signs in this limited sample that Hill is due to regress.This brings up the other part about Hill worth mentioning: his unique path to success. Hill has frequently been a two-pitch guy, back to his years as a bad reliever and a mediocre starter. There were years when he’d mix in a two-seam fastball, but he hasn’t relied heavily upon a slider or changeup in the entire PITCHf/x era. He would frequently tinker with release point and usage, but had trouble finding the strike zone which reduced the impact of his good strikeout rates.Hill’s latest run of dominance is his first try at being a starter since 2009. Unlike his previous attempts, he’s not really making any effort to lead with his fastball. In 2016, Hill has thrown 605 fourseam fastballs and 605 curves, to go with 100 other pitches (mostly sliders). If ever there was a case for pitching “backwards,” Hill is that case. He’s like Mike Bolsinger, if Bolsinger threw his fastball 3 mph faster and had 10 mph more separation with his curve velocity. Another Dodger comparable might be late-career Josh Beckett, but even Beckett mixed in 20% cutters and 10% changeups.The curious thing is that Hill’s repertoire change has really made his fastball play up. Among the 151 starting pitchers who have thrown at least 200 fourseam fastballs this season, here are the top whiff/swing rates: Rich Hill, 36.0% David Price, 28.9%Hill’s fastball leads starters and does so by a gigantic margin. For comparison, Clayton Kershaw is 20th at 22.5%, Jose Fernandez is 16th with 23.4%, and Noah Syndergaard is 18th with 23.1%. Rich Hill gets 1.5x more whiffs per swing on his fastball than Noah Syndergaard, who averages 99mph. If relievers are added to that list, Hill falls to a tie for second (behind Carl Edwards of the Cubs and matching Justin Wilson of the Tigers), but he’s still one spot ahead of Aroldis Chapman‘s famous 101mph offering. Hill is also inducing a higher rate of swings on his fastball than he did previously. It’s a devastating combination.Hill’s fastball is not a bad pitch at 91 from the left side and gets the benefit of excellent horizontal movement resulting from good spin. Plus, batters don’t see it as much, which can improve results if they’re sitting on the curve. Hill’s curve has a superlative spin rate which translates into the fifth-best horizontal movement and 14th-best vertical movement among starting pitchers. When betters do make contact, they hit the curve on the ground 65% of the time, enough to reduce the impact of batted balls.One potential drawback to this unique pitching style is that it may not work well as a pitcher goes through the order multiple times, but since Hill’s return the story isn’t clean: PA K% BB% BA OBP SLG1st time through 153 32.7% 8.4% .242 .327 .3612nd time through 149 24.8% 9.3% .154 .255 .2003rd time through 108 35.2% 5.6% .150 .213 .1804th time through 7 14.3% 0.0% .143 .143 .143If anything, Hill’s results get better as he goes through a lineup more than once. The strikeout/walk numbers don’t follow a pattern and the in-play results improve steadily as he goes deeper into games. Previous times through the order results do not predict future times through the order results well, but these data show that this has not been an issue for Hill so far. In his 17 post-return starts (removing the most recent blister-shortened affair), Hill has averaged more than six innings pitched per start. He has only failed to get through six innings three times. In a Dodger rotation struggling to get innings out of their starters, a healthy Hill is an outstanding leg up.When healthy, Rich Hill is one of the best pitchers in baseball, and there are no signs of rapid decline. It still could come at any moment because he’s old, but if that taper is gradual and he’s suddenly a number two starter, the Dodgers will absolutely take that. Hill has earned his performance, and is playing for what could be a sizable contract this winter. The injury risk is tremendous, he could remember that he’s old and pitch worse, but the Dodgers went and acquired the best pitcher available, warts and all.http://dodgersdigest.com/2016/08/02/the ... rich-hill/ Reply 31 / 83 1 31 83 Display: All posts1 day7 days2 weeks1 month3 months6 months1 year Sort by: AuthorPost timeSubject Sort by: AscendingDescending Jump to: Forum Rams/NFL Other Sports Rams Fans United Q&A's Board Business