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 by moklerman
9 years 7 months ago
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United States of America   Bakersfield, CA
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dieterbrock wrote:
moklerman wrote:That game last night brought me back to the Rams/49ers game from a few years ago. What would things have been like if Amendola's 80 yard, game-winning TD hadn't been called back?

That's what I wonder now. What, if anything, is this going to mean for Bradford's confidence?

Maybe it's a fluke and it was just one of those things because it was his birthday. But there have been a few articles talking about Sam saying the right things at the right times to his players and last night, Murray said the team was motivated to win the game for Sam so maybe his leadership is being appreciated?

I still don't think he looks loose and comfortable but he's moving around the pocket pretty well and rounding into form.

And he was terrible in the 1st half, again...
Awesome in the 2nd and Ot but the 1st Q performance is just dreadful. I think they've only score like 10 points in the 1Q all season
They definitely keep starting slowly but Kelly was playing it close to the vest in the first half last night. Running it a lot and not taking many chances. Which I think was needed. They really need that running game to be effective.

 by snackdaddy
9 years 7 months ago
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United States of America   Merced California
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Bradford takes the lead by default. Foles is that bad.

 by moklerman
9 years 7 months ago
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United States of America   Bakersfield, CA
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snackdaddy wrote:Bradford takes the lead by default. Foles is that bad.
I'm not a fan but there's something else besides his ability/inability. He's being made worse by this coaching staff. The guy who helped beat Seattle and Arizona isn't the same guy playing now. Which doesn't make sense considering how much the running game has improved.

 by Hacksaw
9 years 7 months ago
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United States of America   AT THE BEACH
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moklerman wrote:
snackdaddy wrote:Bradford takes the lead by default. Foles is that bad.
I'm not a fan but there's something else besides his ability/inability. He's being made worse by this coaching staff. The guy who helped beat Seattle and Arizona isn't the same guy playing now. Which doesn't make sense considering how much the running game has improved.

I still think opponents figured out Cigs passing schemes and our WR's aren't dominant enough to get open on skill alone. Foles is looking for someone every time he drops back and ends up going long or throws it away.
Cigs also has a lot of sweep fakes so Foles turns his back on his drops then turns back around. Perhaps backpedal more or run less sweep / hand off fakes so he can watch the play develop more often.
Of course those plays may be designed to keep the secondary honest and get one every so often. If the WR's could just get open.
BTW that first play last week would have worked but Foles held on because he was late throwing into a real stiff wind. Perhaps the play call at that point was unwise.

 by Hacksaw_64
9 years 7 months ago
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United States of America   Inglewood, CA
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moklerman wrote:
snackdaddy wrote:Bradford takes the lead by default. Foles is that bad.
I'm not a fan but there's something else besides his ability/inability. He's being made worse by this coaching staff. The guy who helped beat Seattle and Arizona isn't the same guy playing now. Which doesn't make sense considering how much the running game has improved.


I think he's suffering from shellshock. He's taken far too much abuse, and it's starting to affect his game mentally. Now, even when he has a clean pocket, he looks gunshy. Just a theory. I do give him credit for standing in the pocket under fire and taking it. He is one tough S.O.B. I'm surprised he is still upright, quite frankly.

 by moklerman
9 years 7 months ago
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United States of America   Bakersfield, CA
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Hacksaw wrote:
moklerman wrote:
snackdaddy wrote:Bradford takes the lead by default. Foles is that bad.
I'm not a fan but there's something else besides his ability/inability. He's being made worse by this coaching staff. The guy who helped beat Seattle and Arizona isn't the same guy playing now. Which doesn't make sense considering how much the running game has improved.

I still think opponents figured out Cigs passing schemes and our WR's aren't dominant enough to get open on skill alone. Foles is looking for someone every time he drops back and ends up going long or throws it away.
Cigs also has a lot of sweep fakes so Foles turns his back on his drops then turns back around. Perhaps backpedal more or run less sweep / hand off fakes so he can watch the play develop more often.
Of course those plays may be designed to keep the secondary honest and get one every so often. If the WR's could just get open.
BTW that first play last week would have worked but Foles held on because he was late throwing into a real stiff wind. Perhaps the play call at that point was unwise.
It probably isn't just one thing and I don't bother with the all-22 tapes so I can't really say for sure on the WR's. I guess the wind could have really been wreaking havoc on his passes but even after the "miss" to Britt, he threw way over Gurley's head in the flat and badly missed Britt(or was it Quick?) on the right sideline.

His confidence, mechanics and rhythm are probably all askew at this point. I hope Marquez gets some playing time to see if a little speed will help the situation. Cignetti running an apparently watered down Schottenheimer playbook doesn't instill much confidence though. He seems to be just as afflicted with predictability as BS was.

 by Hacksaw
9 years 7 months ago
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moklerman wrote: Cignetti running an apparently watered down Schottenheimer playbook doesn't instill much confidence though. He seems to be just as afflicted with predictability as BS was.
BS was for sure. I wonder if the WR's limited abilities have aided in the restrictive playbook?
The OC position is one in need of major upgrade next year.
Let's see if perhaps Wes can shed some light on this situation. Or not.

 by moklerman
9 years 7 months ago
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United States of America   Bakersfield, CA
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Hacksaw wrote:
moklerman wrote: Cignetti running an apparently watered down Schottenheimer playbook doesn't instill much confidence though. He seems to be just as afflicted with predictability as BS was.
BS was for sure. I wonder if the WR's limited abilities have aided in the restrictive playbook?
The OC position is one in need of major upgrade next year.
Let's see if perhaps Wes can shed some light on this situation. Or not.
Considering Welker was pushed out of the highly successful version of the Manning led Broncos, I don't have much hope. From what I've read, I'm surprised that he's even giving it a try. $700,000 is a fortune to me but Welker should have some money in the bank and is risking vegetable status to play for a crappy offense. Seems like he needs an intervention.

 by dieterbrock
9 years 7 months ago
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United States of America   New Jersey
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Elvis wrote:Foles has a passer rating of 79.7, Bradford 79.5...

Considering that one guy plays in a system that made Mark Sanchez look great while the other guy plays for....
Nah, forget it....

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