[ramsman34]

Not sure now if Higbee gets drafted.



In addition to that arrested for second degree assault, public intoxication and evading police.

WOW, what an idiot. No way they draft him now. Boy cost himself a lot of $$, not to mention seriously hurting another human being. Tool.

They're also looking into hate crimes on the kid because the guy he punched is reported to be a Muslim. Nobody is really releasing all the details.

I shouldn't be, but I am astonished how people about to become NFL players - with the $ and lifestyle that accompany it - can make such horrible decisions.

[Hacksaw]

Chemicals, educational, natural or hormonotherwise.

[dieterbrock]

Deny deny deny...

[max]

Wow. Didn't plan on this!

Ok. With the table turned upside down, I'm doubling down on Wentz.

[ramsman34]

Wow. Didn't plan on this!

Ok. With the table turned upside down, I'm doubling down on Wentz.

Man I hope so. I want Wentz. Either way, if the guy they pick busts (God forbid) they will surely get another shot in 2018. It won't be like the salary cap killing Bradford deal

[/zn/]

Since 1970, when Bradshaw was the first pick in the draft, to 2013 (2013 being far enough back from now to judge), 20 QB’s have been been picked 1st in round 1. Out of those 20 there are only 4 real misses---Couch, Vick (or arguably anyway), Carr, and Russell. So that's a hit rate of 80%.

Some bounced around and needed 2nd chances (Plunkett, Testeverde, A.Smith, Palmer)...but still, 80%.

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[max]

Since 1970, when Bradshaw was the first pick in the draft, to 2013 (2013 being far enough back from now to judge), 20 QB’s have been been picked 1st in round 1. Out of those 20 there are only 4 real misses---Couch, Vick (or arguably anyway), Carr, and Russell. So that's a hit rate of 80%.

Some bounced around and needed 2nd chances (Plunkett, Testeverde, A.Smith, Palmer)...but still, 80%.

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Vick was more successful than Bradford. And what about Jeff George?

But I do agree with the premise that first overall pick QBs have a high success rate.

[/zn/]

Since 1970, when Bradshaw was the first pick in the draft, to 2013 (2013 being far enough back from now to judge), 20 QB’s have been been picked 1st in round 1. Out of those 20 there are only 4 real misses---Couch, Vick (or arguably anyway), Carr, and Russell. So that's a hit rate of 80%.

Some bounced around and needed 2nd chances (Plunkett, Testeverde, A.Smith, Palmer)...but still, 80%.

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Vick was more successful than Bradford. And what about Jeff George?

But I do agree with the premise that first overall pick QBs have a high success rate.

You and I are probably defining "successful" differently. Either way team success is not part of this, because I have to include the fact that a qb can be a "hit" even though his team never wins.

That aside, my quick judgment was that Vick had a few seasons doing well as a running back at qb, had his hiatus, had a couple of decent seasons afterwards. But maybe stayed in the league too long cause mostly he's a mess afterwards.

But, that's an arguable one, as I said. If you include Vick, the "hit" rate for #1 pick qbs is 85%.

By my definition of "hit" Bradford is a "hit." I think people underestimate him...my line before last season was that he would play well in Phil when he settled in and he did. I based that on him playing well with the Rams given the circumstances (basically, those being this: in the 23 starts he has a Fisher Ram, Bradford had both a credible running threat and a relatively healthy OL in a total of 11 games...and they did well in those 11 games. That was enough to project he would do well with the Eagles.) Either way he was and is a starting qb in the league, which qualifies as a "hit."

I counted George as a "hit." I never liked him but he played for quite a while with different teams. I do count the haircut against him but not enough to take him off the list as a "hit."

I am setting the standard where I do without getting into a lot of detailed judgments because it amounts to this---you can win with a good qb and defense in the NFL and what you tend to get, at a minimum, is a good qb with the 1st pick. Not always elite, in fact elite is rare. "Good" is all that's needed and anything beyond that is gravy. I wouldn't be, for example, one of those Baltimore fans who gripes about Flacco or a Giants fan that gripes about Eli. Both are good when their OLs have not fallen completely apart.

[max]

If you count George as a hit then you are clearly out on an island. That's fine this is just opinion here.

I know guys who say Couch was a hit, but just in a bad situation.

[den-the-coach]

Wow. Didn't plan on this!

Ok. With the table turned upside down, I'm doubling down on Wentz.

I'm shocked at this from other posts seems you were pro Goff.