[LoyalRam]

the problem was with differing opinions on what will(or should) happen.

Different places experienced that differently. I personally don't know many St.Louis fans who are now retiring from the Rams and Rams posting who are doing it (or thinking about doing it) just because there were differing opinions on the issue. Posters like that may exist, or I should say probably exist, I don't know...not first-hand I don't. I avoided the topic, as a rule. However, if it is permissable here I can link people to discussions about the league decision where some St. Louis posters speak for themselves. I don't feel right speaking for them. Either way, I didn't participate much if at all in relocation discussions at the Herd or the PD board (after the decision, I posted a little about it on the Herd.) Because I was in a different place talking with different people, my whole take on this is different from those whose experience comes from those places I named, where it seemed to be much more contentious than what I experienced.

Maybe zn....Not to be callous, but why they are leaving the Rams is something I am not going to dwell on. I want all, regardless of location, to support our Rams. Those that won't? Well, we all make our own way in this life. I have decided not to gloat over my tormenters at the PD, because it reduces me to the level of those specific online nazi's. and the moderators that enabled them. I will miss the forum (and have missed) it in quieter times...Mostly civil discussions and almost immediate responses..I loved that part and always drew me back...Anyway, welcome here...

[/zn/]

Since the topic is up: I am going to bring it up.

Mr. St. Louis used to go to all our opponent's boards and make up names and troll them before we played them. The poster on ROD called RamsFanz did as well. They would troll and act like total idiots.

They fed off each other, then made a thread at ROD of there "adventures" including when they were banned and the new names they made.

It was impossible for me or any real Rams fans to even get a conversation because they were acting like little frat boys. Was so embarrassing as a real Rams fan. (ROD supported the idiots).

I sincerely hope since they are StL fans, that this trend does not continue.

Well, like I said, that's those guys. It's not all St. Louis fans. And in the past I have known both LA fans and nomads to troll opposing teams' fan boards. It was never just St. Louis fans, at least back when I knew about that kind of thing through personal experience. In fact I remember that topic coming up in 99 on a Rams board that no longer exists. A lot of us criticized posters who did that kind of thing, not that it made any difference.


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[RedAlice]

I am referring to the actions of StL posters for the last four years before our game on other team's boards.

I wouldn;t know anything about that. I do know St. Louis posters who did nothing like that, and I have known them for years. My point is you can't generalize about all St. Louis posters. What I have seen is different from what you have seen. I know that for certain.

Well, my experience was supported and encouraged by one of the largest Rams Boards at the time: ROD.

eta: I am not talking about all StL posters. Just the few who have posted against me on other teams boards and called me out as an "LA" fan and not a true fan of the Rams.

They constanlty called me not a 'true" Rams fan because I would not troll other teams. and, ROD supported them on this. I was called a hooker and worse, and X had a few choice words to support this trolling.

[/zn/]

the problem was with differing opinions on what will(or should) happen.

Different places experienced that differently. I personally don't know many St.Louis fans who are now retiring from the Rams and Rams posting who are doing it (or thinking about doing it) just because there were differing opinions on the issue. Posters like that may exist, or I should say probably exist, I don't know...not first-hand I don't. I avoided the topic, as a rule. However, if it is permissable here I can link people to discussions about the league decision where some St. Louis posters speak for themselves. I don't feel right speaking for them. Either way, I didn't participate much if at all in relocation discussions at the Herd or the PD board (after the decision, I posted a little about it on the Herd.) Because I was in a different place talking with different people, my whole take on this is different from those whose experience comes from those places I named, where it seemed to be much more contentious than what I experienced.

Maybe zn....Not to be callous, but why they are leaving the Rams is something I am not going to dwell on. I want all, regardless of location, to support our Rams. Those that won't? Well, we all make our own way in this life. I have decided not to gloat over my tormenters at the PD, because it reduces me to the level of those specific online nazi's. and the moderators that enabled them. I will miss the forum (and have missed) it in quieter times...Mostly civil discussions and almost immediate responses..I loved that part and always drew me back...Anyway, welcome here...

If you were on the PD board then you know I just was never in their relocation threads. When I did discuss relocation, mostly after the decision, it was on a completely different board (the huddle, which I mod). As a result of years of interacting with the people I have in mind, I respect them and sympathize with their positions on the decision. That is, I know very classy St. Louis fans who have done a lot for the Rams online communities who are leaving, and they weren't the type who would get into PD board net wars. If you're not interested, you're not. In my case I am talking about friends of mine who will be missed in the communities and who always conducted themselves well. I said I wouldn't preach and I am not...as I said I am just expressing one opinion among others. You don;t have to care; given the people I know and will miss, I can;t help but care. It's just 2 different sets of experiences.

Thanks for the welcome, it's appreciated.

[/zn/]

Well, my experience was supported and encouraged by one of the largest Rams Boards at the time: ROD.

I wouldn;t know anything about that. I read some posters at ROD but never on topics like the ones you're talking about. So again, it just different experiences. And they are different enough for me to say that no St. Louis fans I have been friends with for years now has acted in the ways you describe. That doesn't mean some posters from St. Louis didn't act that way, just that we have 2 completely different sets of experiences, and the ones I have known for a long time now, where I posted, never acted like that.

[RedAlice]

Well, my experience was supported and encouraged by one of the largest Rams Boards at the time: ROD.

I wouldn;t know anything about that. I read some posters at ROD but never on topics like the ones you're talking about. So again, it just different experiences. And they are different enough for me to say that no St. Louis fans I have been friends with for years now has acted in the ways you describe. That doesn't mean some didn't, just that we have 2 completely different sets of experiences.

Fair

I am very happy you didn't meet the ones I am referring to.

I have been to StL many times to see our games and I met many nice people who are also not who I am referring to.

[aeneas1]

You think those are bad. Listen to these 2 cry babies. I actually feel for some of the good fans that I've met through the years (4 Rams games in the dome).

However, Karraker crying about his son does nothing for my sympathy meter. He didn't have any sympathy for me when the Rams were stolen from me in 1994. My son was 9 months old back then and I got cheated out of years of taking in Rams games with him in LA.

Anyway, I'm sure it doesn't get much worse than Karraker and Bernie crying.

i recently listened to that and couldn't believe what i was hearing, good grief, the absurd adolescent pettiness, attacking everything los angeles, stan's lid, celebs, the national media, etc., etc., like a couple of ignored teenyboppers, whining, cursing, stomping their feet because the popular girls who don't want them in their clique, don't even know their alive, it was something else, and definitely not bernie's or nick's finest hour....

btw, how about bernie's ridiculous rant? he paints davis as a bowl haircut simpleton, the hooters all-you-can-eat laughingstock among club owners who, despite being the fool that he his, the bottom of the barrel owner that he is, won't even touch the st. louis market, turns his nose up at the st. louis market, because that's how badly stan has poisoned st. louis, it's all stan's fault.

yet in his recent article he writes:

When asked by the Post-Dispatch about the possibility of moving to St. Louis, Khan said, “I don’t see that at all, OK?” Sportswriter Jim Thomas said Khan was firm on the point. Thomas went on to describe how Khan cited concerns over STL’s changing economic landscape. Khan mentioned our town’s weakened corporate might. “I mean I lived not too far from St. Louis for many, many years,” Khan told the P-D. “Just think about what St. Louis used to be.” And that’s coming from an NFL owner who is fond of St. Louis personally. That bad NFL moon over St. Louis isn’t going away.

so khan, a guy who knows st. louis, points to the st. louis economy as a reason he has no interest in moving his team there. and bernie accepts it. no mention that khan obviously feels this way because stan poisoned the water, no accusation that khan is a simpleton who unwittingly has been influenced, duped, by stan's hurtful, unfounded claims regarding the the st. louis economy.

and of course there's jeff gordon's latest gordo zone vid, where he took the opportunity to maturely size up the sitch:

look, people were barely on board if that with this (stadium) proposal, dave peacock had to cobble this together, a lot of legislatures in the state of missouri objected to the end around that these people did to get to this point, of course the city politicians were barely on board in many cases, so now that you put this together which was insufficient, you barely got that together, how do you put something together even more attractive, which i believe you would have to do if this thing goes to free agency... there was barely appetite to keep the rams, i can hardly imagine a quest for the raiders going very far at all.. this market, there is some truth in what stan kroenke argued in his relocation paper, you can argue that this is not a city that can support strongly three franchises, that's a huge question going forward... it's hard to make the case to go hard for a team given what's happened in the local economy..

http://cinesport.stltoday.com/nfl-saint ... -nfl-team/

bernie, has jg been duped too? jg can't see that stan poisoned st. louis, and that's why teams aren't interested? good grief.

edited for brain fart, referred to jeff gordon (gordo zone) as jim thomas....

[/zn/]

Well, my experience was supported and encouraged by one of the largest Rams Boards at the time: ROD.

I wouldn;t know anything about that. I read some posters at ROD but never on topics like the ones you're talking about. So again, it just different experiences. And they are different enough for me to say that no St. Louis fans I have been friends with for years now has acted in the ways you describe. That doesn't mean some didn't, just that we have 2 completely different sets of experiences.

Fair

I am very happy you didn't meet the ones I am referring to.

I have been to StL many times to see our games and I met many nice people who are also not who I am referring to.

And fair in return.

[RamsFanSince82]

ZN- you really need to practice what you preach. A couple of pages ago you said this: "I am not going to preach to anyone. Just stating how I personally feel. My own opinion is, this is one issue on which everyone should just let everyone else speak their mind to their heart's content and not fight over the details", but you continue to critique, and question her comments about her experiences at other Rams boards. Let her voice her opinion and vent.

[RedAlice]

So many emotions today.

I think 4 years ago my Mom bought me Rams jammies for Christmas. I member calling her and saying: I LOVE them, they don't say St. Louis on them.

They have since then been my favorite sweat pants to wear. any time. always. I take them everywhere with me, they match my faavorite tank top.

They do have a top. I never wear it because it's a t-shirt and I'm always only in tanks.

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This morning I wanted to rep Rams into Irvine and the jammies top was an option. So, I wore it. All day. Over leggings.

I have never had so many RAMS call outs, ever. Every one who saw the Rams logo had a comment. Mostly how happy they are Rams are coming back. This was Orange County.

Anyway: yay to the neglected top of my Rams jammies. And: Rams are LOVED. This is going to be fun.