[AvengerRam]

And Goff has done nothing but improve since he got paid? This gets better and better.

Is your problem poor eyesight or is it a reading comprehension issue?

[AvengerRam]

The Youtuber's question was about Goff's desire to continually get better. Whether or not he was motivated to get to that next level or if he'd become "comfortable"? Whether one agrees with it or not, I think it's a fair question considering the decline Goff has experienced after signing his big contract.

A "fair question"? Okay...

Considering that, in the two seasons since Goff signed his contract, we've also seen Gurley's demise, diminished OL play, and teams doing a better job of attacking McVay's offense, I'm not seeing really strong evidence that a lack of desire on Goff's part is the issue.

[moklerman]

A "fair question"? Okay...

Considering that, in the two seasons since Goff signed his contract, we've also seen Gurley's demise, diminished OL play, and teams doing a better job of attacking McVay's offense, I'm not seeing really strong evidence that a lack of desire on Goff's part is the issue.

Well, it is kind of like proving a negative but I think it's a fair question to ask. Gurley seems to be suffering the same problem. Big contract, possible complacency. I really don't know what Goff's work ethic is like but I mentioned his comments about getting away from it all as added information. Obviously, no one wants it to be the case but some guys aren't as motivated as others.

I'm not claiming Goff is this or that. But when you look at how he's plateaued or declined and add that to the quotes, it does bring up the question since I don't have evidence either way as to what he puts into his preparation, much less his passion for the game.

If we're lucky, he's like Manning or Brady or whoever the top guys who live and die football are.

[Curly Horns]

https://theramswire.usatoday.com/2020/08/02/nfl-rams-jared-goff-offseason-improve/

https://theathletic.com/1963759/2020/07/31/inside-rams-qb-jared-goffs-training-with-3dqb-and-whats-different-in-2020/

https://www.nfl.com/news/jared-goff-has-new-edge-after-rough-season-tough-offseason
In terms of football preparation, Goff took charge in June when he organized informal workouts during the protracted period when players weren't allowed inside team facilities. From flying in teammates who don't spend their offseasons in the Los Angeles area to coordinating drills and practice plans with defensive backs Jalen Ramsey and John Johnson, Goff tried to make the best of a challenging situation.

"That was something Jared took the lead on, and without a doubt it led to our whole team getting better," wide receiver Cooper Kupp said. "We had a solid group of guys that were able to get together and get some great work in, learn our systems and get some invaluable competitive reps against each other."

Said Goff: "It wasn't anything close to what a real practice would be, but we ran seven-on-seven and we were able to run plays as an offense. We had to move fields a few times because of COVID (restrictions), and were getting kicked out of the high school here -- we actually ended up using three different high schools. But we got a couple of weeks of really good work in."

[bremillard]

Is your problem poor eyesight or is it a reading comprehension issue?

Funny how everyone with any expertise regarding NFL football and people who have actually played see Goff as a liability, but since you've gone all in with him your feelings are at stake so you continue to fight a losing battle. Let's see...134 million for 4 years. That's 64 regular season games. Works out to just a bit over 2 million per game. Players getting that kind of cheese are expected to produce. His combined QB rating for 2019, 2020 is 88-and that doesn't include lost fumbles or fumbles like on Sunday that he didn't lose but ended up killing the drive. When did he sign his contract? His hit on the cap hobbles the team. He will end up just another promising player who end up on the NFL scrap heap laughing all the way to the bank with guys like you carrying his bathwater.

[AvengerRam]

Funny how everyone with any expertise regarding NFL football and people who have actually played see Goff as a liability

Oh, really? All of them, Captain Hyperbole?

but since you've gone all in with him your feelings are at stake so you continue to fight a losing battle. Let's see...134 million for 4 years. That's 64 regular season games. Works out to just a bit over 2 million per game. Players getting that kind of cheese are expected to produce. His combined QB rating for 2019, 2020 is 88-and that doesn't include lost fumbles or fumbles like on Sunday that he didn't lose but ended up killing the drive. When did he sign his contract? His hit on the cap hobbles the team. He will end up just another promising player who end up on the NFL scrap heap laughing all the way to the bank with guys like you carrying his bathwater.

Ah, so the fact that his higher salary and his decline in play happened simultaneously proves causation? I guess you also think COVID was caused by a presidential election.

You work so hard to prove the validity of your pessimism. To what end? Goff isn't going anywhere for the next two years (at least). If you're a Rams fan, wouldn't your time be better spent trying to figure out how to get him back to where he was when he shredded the Vikings and Chiefs on national TV, rather than crowing every time he misses a throw?

[bremillard]

Oh, really? All of them, Captain Hyperbole?

Ah, so the fact that his higher salary and his decline in play happened simultaneously proves causation? I guess you also think COVID was caused by a presidential election.

You work so hard to prove the validity of your pessimism. To what end? Goff isn't going anywhere for the next two years (at least). If you're a Rams fan, wouldn't your time be better spent trying to figure out how to get him back to where he was when he shredded the Vikings and Chiefs on national TV, rather than crowing every time he misses a throw?

You and I can keep going round and round about how you see "real" Rams fans and how I see "sunshine pumpers". That said I believe we both are passionate about the L.A. Rams and want nothing but for them to win. In that regard, at least, we have a strong bond. I admit that I got tainted on Goff when A. the Rams gave up way to much to get the number one pick that got him and B. when the team gave him the farm 2 years ago. I have no special insight on what makes a good NFL QB but I thought that when one can't move or consistently make good reads that will eventually be his undoing. He just doesn't read the field quickly enough to be Tom Brady who overcame his feet being stuck in the mud. And now that my worries have come to fruition I come to places like this to vent. I know that often makes me unpopular with other guys on the board but it doesn't mean that I'm not a "real Ram fan". It means that I rhetorically cry myself to sleep every game they lose and I'm not doing so well with that now. As for Sars-CoV-2, my wife is a doctor and I know of the utter horrors of both having the virus and treating others who have the virus so you'd be terribly wrong with your guess in that regard. Also...my IQ isn't under 80 so I am not a drumpf supporter in any way imaginable.

[AvengerRam]

You and I can keep going round and round about how you see "real" Rams fans and how I see "sunshine pumpers". That said I believe we both are passionate about the L.A. Rams and want nothing but for them to win. In that regard, at least, we have a strong bond. I admit that I got tainted on Goff when A. the Rams gave up way to much to get the number one pick that got him and B. when the team gave him the farm 2 years ago. I have no special insight on what makes a good NFL QB but I thought that when one can't move or consistently make good reads that will eventually be his undoing. He just doesn't read the field quickly enough to be Tom Brady who overcame his feet being stuck in the mud. And now that my worries have come to fruition I come to places like this to vent. I know that often makes me unpopular with other guys on the board but it doesn't mean that I'm not a "real Ram fan". It means that I rhetorically cry myself to sleep every game they lose and I'm not doing so well with that now. As for Sars-CoV-2, my wife is a doctor and I know of the utter horrors of both having the virus and treating others who have the virus so you'd be terribly wrong with your guess in that regard. Also...my IQ isn't under 80 so I am not a drumpf supporter in any way imaginable.

All in good fun. I know you're a Rams fan, and I too worry about Goff.

But... there is always hope.

[snackdaddy]

Mayfield has the best running game in football, an OL that puts our line to shame, and plenty of weapons, and yet his numbers are not all that great. Last year, when he didn't have that type of supporting cast, he sucked.

Funny that you would defend him after he lost to the Jets in a game in which he had two key fumbles. Double standard?

He was missing his top receivers. But isn't that the knock on Goff? He couldn't carry his team when things aren't perfect around him?

[AvengerRam]

He was missing his top receivers. But isn't that the knock on Goff? He couldn't carry his team when things aren't perfect around him?

I think Mayfield and Goff are both cogs, not engines.