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All I see is knee jerk reaction from a bad game. A thread like this will calm down after his next good game. But at some point he'll have another bad game. And we'll see another thread like this one. The cycle of football life.

That’s partly true. Fans are an emotional bunch. But Goff has not been good on balance this year. He’s ranked 22nd in passer ratings, which doesn’t account for fumbles. So it’s understandable that he is taking heat. For the first time he’s even taking heat from McVay.

Granted, if Goff has a terrific game against the Cards, the critics will go silent for a week and we’ll all be happy. I sure hope that happens. Cause if it doesn’t, and he turns the ball over, and the Rams lose, a1 is gonna have to work overtime coming up with stats/analysis that show its not on Goff. {that’s a joke}

[/zn/]

IMO putting it ALL on Goff is just never going to add up. (The sad thing is when one says this there's always someone who thinks that's "making excuses" or some such motives trolling nonsense. As opposed to what I think it is, which is just better analysis.)

He imploded and was pressing, but why was that? Rams couldn't run, the SF secondary was strong in that game, and the Rams as they are currently built are just going to struggle with a team that has a top DL, a strong secondary, and fast LBs. And that's with 2 weeks to prepare.

So now the battle cry is, well what happens when the Rams again face a D with a top DL, strong secondary, and fast LBs?

I dunno, how many teams does that describe?

Miami IMO was different. All they had to do against Miami was keep running the ball, and that would have settled things down.

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[snackdaddy]

Not taking away from everyone else’s opinion, stat references, etc. but, this is probably the most accurate post in this thread.

Even though we are judging him every game in real time, Goff will truly be judged over time and in retrospect. He is a work in progress. What the ceiling and floor of that progress is, is pretty subjective for fans. It is less so for his coaches.

Whenever this season ends, I am certain there will still be 2 camps of opinions: Goff is a franchise QB, or he isn’t/he sucks/has to go. How he plays starting this Sunday and how far he takes us in the post season, provided we get there, will heavily impact the opinions and total member count of each camp.

This is exactly what I've been saying. Chances are Goff is a career Ram. Unless a franchise QB fall in the lap ala Kurt Warner. Odds are that won't happen again.

After bad games fans will react. A few too many bad games and you have a bunch of pages like this thread. But over time we will see if Goff was the right guy. The wrong guy. Or in between. Sometime he is. Sometimes he isn't.

And yes, coaches and management are the only ones that matter. Its their jobs on the line. They know just giving up on a guy is not the answer unless that guy is that bad. Its not like there are a bunch of franchise quarterbacks out there waiting to be picked up. If fans were in charge all over the NFL you would see coaches fired every week and players cut every week. Fans let their emotions dictate their opinions. Management can't afford to do that.

I would ask a few questions to those who think we should move on from Goff. Did you think that way before last week? From what I've seen this season, he's had 6 good games. 2 so so's and 3 bad games. Is that enough to make you think its time for a change? Should he be good every week? If so, who is out there that would be better.

[aeneas1]

I sure hope that happens. Cause if it doesn’t, and he turns the ball over, and the Rams lose, a1 is gonna have to work overtime coming up with stats/analysis that show its not on Goff. {that’s a joke}

nawh, if goff turns the ball over a bunch against the cards i'll just get ready for some more entertaining forum reading like he's tied with bradford in 4th quarter comeback ranking, around 185 or so (as opposed to reality, which is 17th among the 104 qbs who started at least 50 games dating back to 1990), like he's a turnover machine (as opposed to reality, which is 50% of turnovers this season have come in 2 games), ha ha.....

All I see is knee jerk reaction from a bad game. A thread like this will calm down after his next good game. But at some point he'll have another bad game. And we'll see another thread like this one. The cycle of football life.

pretty spot on my fellow northen californian... in 2018 i flew to l.a. with my son to catch the rams/seahawks game, and we were treated to the same thing by a rabid rams fan seated in front of us, except it wasn't a knee-jerk reaction to a game, it was over 100 knee-jerk reactions, one after every offensive, defensive and special teams play!

anyway, one thing is certain as far as i can tell, and that's the rams need to figure some things out on offense - they're not moving the ball nearly well enough, at least not consistently, and by extension they're not scoring.... goff of course needs to take care of the ball and, just as importantly imo, mcvay needs to come up with something, anything, to challenge cover 0 concepts and the better defenses in the league... otherwise goff is going to continue to look not only bad against 6+ man fronts that outnumber blockers, but he's going to continue to get drilled.

[moklerman]

It wasn't so long ago that the "debate" was about whether Goff was a top 5 QB or a top 10 QB. Now, a lot of work is going into showing why 20+ ranked isn't really as bad as it looks.

Putting the blame on the fans is misplaced. Fans are not overreacting, they are not happy with continued substandard production. There are multiple years worth of games of data to support this frustration.

A1 spent at least a little time criticizing Mayfield and showing why his good numbers didn't equal a good QB. Now, he's showing how bad numbers don't equal a bad QB. Has Mayfield caught up to Goff or has Goff sank down to Mayfield? Because they have the exact same passer rating this year.

[bremillard]

This is exactly what I've been saying. Chances are Goff is a career Ram. Unless a franchise QB fall in the lap ala Kurt Warner. Odds are that won't happen again.

After bad games fans will react. A few too many bad games and you have a bunch of pages like this thread. But over time we will see if Goff was the right guy. The wrong guy. Or in between. Sometime he is. Sometimes he isn't.

And yes, coaches and management are the only ones that matter. Its their jobs on the line. They know just giving up on a guy is not the answer unless that guy is that bad. Its not like there are a bunch of franchise quarterbacks out there waiting to be picked up. If fans were in charge all over the NFL you would see coaches fired every week and players cut every week. Fans let their emotions dictate their opinions. Management can't afford to do that.

I would ask a few questions to those who think we should move on from Goff. Did you think that way before last week? From what I've seen this season, he's had 6 good games. 2 so so's and 3 bad games. Is that enough to make you think its time for a change? Should he be good every week? If so, who is out there that would be better.

I started this thread. Yes, it probably was a knee-jerk reaction to another loss that probably should have been a win. I don't think we should or even can move away from Goff. The Rams have too many eggs in his basket. I posted to vent not to recommend a better way because, short of a miracle, there is no better way given what's been tied up in him. I have faulted the team for overpaying him. I saw something in the Superbowl performance that led me to believe that he'd been outed and he would never be the same guy we saw against the Chiefs. Maybe nobody could be that guy consistently but my gut told me the NFL had Goff's number and the wand was broken. He doesn't have the tools to improvise and that will be what's required of him to be effective now. I admit to being far too emotional with the Rams but I can't seem to reign it in. Another thing I noticed with this discussion. I know that anyone who takes the time to log in, read and respond to anything Rams has to love the team. In that regard we are all the same. I find it curious that these discussions often devolve into who's observations are the most accurate, who's gut the most correct. Then, the fact that we are all Ram fans gets lost. If we were all grouped together at Sofi would we be rooting vehemently or arguing nuance? Sorry...just an aside on human nature. No wonder the country is so fractured now. And...I'm including myself in that critique.

[aeneas1]

It wasn't so long ago that the "debate" was about whether Goff was a top 5 QB or a top 10 QB. Now, a lot of work is going into showing why 20+ ranked isn't really as bad as it looks.

Putting the blame on the fans is misplaced. Fans are not overreacting, they are not happy with continued substandard production. There are multiple years worth of games of data to support this frustration.

A1 spent at least a little time criticizing Mayfield and showing why his good numbers didn't equal a good QB. Now, he's showing how bad numbers don't equal a bad QB. Has Mayfield caught up to Goff or has Goff sank down to Mayfield? Because they have the exact same passer rating this year.

take away goff leading the rams to the super bowl, his 3 postseasons in 4 years, his 2 pro bowls, and he's no better than mayfield or braford! actually, come to think of it, i'd have to give bradford the nod over both goff and mayfield, the guy was special! hell, if i'm being completely honest, i'd have to put goff behind wentz too!

[aeneas1]

I started this thread. Yes, it probably was a knee-jerk reaction to another loss that probably should have been a win. I don't think we should or even can move away from Goff. The Rams have too many eggs in his basket. I posted to vent not to recommend a better way because, short of a miracle, there is no better way given what's been tied up in him. I have faulted the team for overpaying him. I saw something in the Superbowl performance that led me to believe that he'd been outed and he would never be the same guy we saw against the Chiefs. Maybe nobody could be that guy consistently but my gut told me the NFL had Goff's number and the wand was broken. He doesn't have the tools to improvise and that will be what's required of him to be effective now. I admit to being far too emotional with the Rams but I can't seem to reign it in. Another thing I noticed with this discussion. I know that anyone who takes the time to log in, read and respond to anything Rams has to love the team. In that regard we are all the same. I find it curious that these discussions often devolve into who's observations are the most accurate, who's gut the most correct. Then, the fact that we are all Ram fans gets lost. If we were all grouped together at Sofi would we be rooting vehemently or arguing nuance? Sorry...just an aside on human nature. No wonder the country is so fractured now. And...I'm including myself in that critique.

great post!

yep, at the end of the day we're all rams fans!

[moklerman]

take away goff leading the rams to the super bowl, his 3 postseasons in 4 years, his 2 pro bowls, and he's no better than mayfield or braford! actually, come to think of it, i'd have to give bradford the nod over both goff and mayfield, the guy was special! hell, if i'm being honest, i'd have to put goff behind wentz too!

Brush it off if you want but you specifically made a point of diminishing Mayfield's 27/17 rookie year and now you're twisting yourself into knots trying to illustrate that Goff isn't as bad as the numbers show.

This isn't about their overall careers or high points vs. high points. This is about you picking apart Mayfield's relatively good numbers but now trying to rationalize Goff's bad numbers.

[sloramfan]

Goff needs to have a really good game tomorrow...

and after a bad performance, as some have pointed out, he usually does...

i think he will...

i've seen him play well many more times than play bad... serve me up that all day long after some of the shit this forever a rams fan has dealt with...

this thread had it all... comedy.. stats... and more comedy...

it was like the book you just can't stop reading... bravo RFU..

go rams

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