[ramsman34]

Better than Bortles? Laugh if ya want but seriously, who?

[Gareth]

Didn’t Goff get the Rams to the Super Bowl? Or did I imagine that?

[AvengerRam]

Didn’t Goff get the Rams to the Super Bowl? Or did I imagine that?

Welcome to Short Attention Span Theatre.

[PARAM]

Didn’t Goff get the Rams to the Super Bowl? Or did I imagine that?

Well now you gotta remember the prevailing theories.

When the Rams look good, it's McVay's system.
When the Rams look bad, it's Goff.

[moklerman]

Better than Bortles? Laugh if ya want but seriously, who?

I'd happily re-sign Bortles but assume he's moving on.

[snackdaddy]

Snead and McVay have gotta figure out how to get the line back to where it was. And get Gurley back to where he was. He'll be 26 next season. He should be far from done, arthritic knee or not. Do that and Goff becomes a top 5 quarterback.

I've said while Goff becomes a bottom ten QB if you cannot run the ball or block, he excels better than most when he's got a clean pocket and can keep defenses honest with the run game. I know you can say that about a lot of quarterbacks. But given the same optimal conditions I believe he is top 5. He just gets a lot worse than most when conditions are bad.

[Gareth]

I feel like there’s plenty of acknowledgment that McVay needs to do some serious self-evaluation this offseason.

Yes but his point is that Goff can’t win. When he’s bad it’s his fault and when he’s good it’s because McVay is good.

I see a guy that has had two very good seasons and one average at best. I don’t count the first half season under Fisher.

My expectation is we will see Goff and the Rams offense look more like the last 2 years than this year going forward.

[bremillard]

Goff has had many moments of brilliance over the last 2 1/2 seasons. No question. That's why the team went all in with him. He has also shown very poorly a number of times. That's my worry. Will he be great with a good offensive line? That remains to be seen but he has been great with time to think and room to throw. When those windows shrink so does his performance. My guess is that he will never be Brady, Manning or Brees. The expectation that he will be should probably be tempered. He needs a strong supporting cast and he'll never be a guy that can carry a team on his back.

[AvengerRam]

. My guess is that he will never be Brady, Manning or Brees.

Perhaps not (and that's a pretty high bar), but it should be pointed out... Brady, Manning and Brees were not the Brady, Manning and Brees we know today at Goff's age:

Best single season before age of 26 (Goff will be 26 next October):

Passing Yards
Goff 4,688
Manning 4,413
Brady 3,764
Brees 3,159

Touchdowns
Manning 33
Goff 32
Brady 28
Brees 27

Passer Rating
Brees 104.8
Goff 101.1
Manning 94.7
Brady 85.7

What we've seen from Goff thus far may be inconsistent, and he definitely has not learned to handle all situations, but he's still had some very good production.

If anyone thinks he's peaked and is now regressing, I strongly disagree. I believe he still has the capacity to become considerably better - meaning that his performance in "clean" games will not be so different from his performance in more challenging circumstances.

And I still think that McVay is the guy to help him get there.

[dieterbrock]

Perhaps not (and that's a pretty high bar), but it should be pointed out... Brady, Manning and Brees were not the Brady, Manning and Brees we know today at Goff's age:

Best single season before age of 26 (Goff will be 26 next October):

Passing Yards
Goff 4,688
Manning 4,413
Brady 3,764
Brees 3,159

Touchdowns
Manning 33
Goff 32
Brady 28
Brees 27

Passer Rating
Brees 104.8
Goff 101.1
Manning 94.7
Brady 85.7

What we've seen from Goff thus far may be inconsistent, and he definitely has not learned to handle all situations, but he's still had some very good production.

If anyone thinks he's peaked and is now regressing, I strongly disagree. I believe he still has the capacity to become considerably better - meaning that his performance in "clean" games will not be so different from his performance in more challenging circumstances.

And I still think that McVay is the guy to help him get there.

And in Goff's 32 td passing year, he did run for 2 more, while Manning only ran for 1