[Elvis]

There would have been a lot less anger/bitterness if Stan hadn’t torched St. Louis on the way out of town.

I doubt it. Those things never end well. If people hadn't focused their anger on the reasons for leaving document they would focused it on something else. The anger was already there, it was gonna end up on something...

[snackdaddy]

I doubt it. Those things never end well. If people hadn't focused their anger on the reasons for leaving document they would focused it on something else. The anger was already there, it was gonna end up on something...

This is true. They use the stuff that came out in that document, but that's all window dressing. The reason they hate him is solely based on his moving the team. If he stayed in St Louis I'm pretty sure all would be forgiven for most people.

[St. Loser Fan]

This is true. They use the stuff that came out in that document, but that's all window dressing. The reason they hate him is solely based on his moving the team. If he stayed in St Louis I'm pretty sure all would be forgiven for most people.

So what's wrong with hating on Stan? You guys hate Georgia. Baltimore hates the Ursay family. Cleveland hates Art Modell.....

The thing is when those owners left they didn't ensure that those cities will never get a team again.

[BobCarl]

Do not recall anything like this happening in any sport? Maybe I am totally wrong though.

Yes you are totally wrong.

When Isaac Bruce caught his 1000th reception (a TD).... in St. Louis ... and while wearing a 9ers uniform ... he was given a Standing Ovation ... and the Rams pre-arranged for a delay in the game so as to honor his achievement.

[Mr. Sparkle]

Next time I'll think before I write. Well maybe.

[BobCarl]

Next time I'll think before I write. Well maybe.

It's all good. Being at the game for Issac's 1000th was awesome. I'll never forget it.

[St. Loser Fan]

We can’t help ourselves.

[St. Loser Fan]

See, St. Louis isn't the stupidest, corrupt, morally bankrupt NFL city! We're just the second stupidest, corrupt, morally bankrupt (former) NFL city.

https://deadspin.com/officials-respond- ... 1836243120

Officials Respond To Public Records Request On Bengals' New Stadium Deal With 275 Pages Of Redactions

It is not exaggeration to say that the Cincinnati Bengals’ revised stadium lease with Hamilton County, agreed in November 2018, is still largely secret. Among the many figures that weren’t released at the time the agreement was announced was how much the county—and thus, taxpayers—will be spending to buy land near the stadium to be used for parking and a new indoor practice facility.

It is also not exaggeration to say that Cincinnati has the worst stadium deal in America. As of 2016, taxpayers had spent $920 million to build and operate Paul Brown Stadium, which opened in 2000. That figure is expected to climb well above $1 billion by the conclusion of the lease.

And so it would not be anywhere near exaggeration to say that it’s very important for citizens to know what’s in this new lease, and how much they’re paying, and that there’s absolutely no reason to trust their county commissioners’ words on the deal without seeing for themselves.

The Cincinnati Enquirer attempted to do just that, filing a public records request, for, well, public records. The paper asked for all documents related to the lease negotiations. They received a whole lot of magic marker.

Six months after the request was filed, county officials sent back 275 pages that had been almost completely blacked out. Every word, other than the date, subject line and names of email recipients, was gone. No noun or verb remained. No punctuation mark survived.

Several pages appeared to contain bullet-point presentations or slide shows, but they, too, were entirely redacted.

There are two other collections of the records, but I think you get the idea from this one.

Hamilton County claimed to the Enquirer that everything had to be redacted because it falls under attorney-client privilege. But as the paper points out, elected officials aren’t allowed to shield their discussions from public view just by copying their attorneys on every single communication, which is what appears to have happened here.

The county’s lawyer in the negotiations insisted to the Enquirer that making public these public documents would “place the county and its taxpayers at a competitive disadvantage.”

[rather]

The taxpayers have spent $920 million, but where is the quantification of the benefits involved? If that is attempted and shows it's <$920m then fine, you have a point. But if you're not going to try, and act like that is just sunk cost / taxpayers being scammed, then you're not being very honest.

If stadiums are such a bad investment then someone should tell Mr. Kroenke?

I look forward to reading articles in 2025 reading about how unfair it is that Kroenke is printing all this money from his stadium and how he gets to keep it all for himself.

[BobCarl]

The taxpayers ....

If stadiums are such a bad investment then someone should tell Mr. Kroenke?

the key word is "tax" ... when it comes to the new stadium, Kroenke is a payer, not a taxpayer.

Stadiums paid with tax money are often a bad investment, because the return in taxes and "trickle down" taxes do not pay for themselves.

Owners of the team that plays in tax-funded stadiums benefit as the value of their team goes up.

Kroenke's business model is different.

With Kroenke, he will probably put the stadium, and the cash flow of the team on a break-even course. And any profits will be re-invested into the team and stadium.

Nevertheless, the team and stadium will subcontract many of their ancillary service needs (directly or indirectly) from entities owned by Kroenke.

At least that seems to be his M.O. for the teams he owns in Lundon and Denver