[aeneas1]

Both offenses were bad.

I'm willing to consider weather as a factor...

i don't think anyone argued that arctic weather can't diminish qbs play, heck i even posted numbers from qb greats who've played poorly in arctic weather, what was being debated was the notion that goff can't play in cold weather, that it's a trend.. that, and wentz is "there" (changed to maybe) while goff isn't.

[sloramfan]

i jumped to the last page, so i'm not sure what this "tiff" is about...

cold weather a factor.. probably...

i think the chicago defense may have had more to do with it... and maybe mcvay's playcalling... but i gotta trust in sean, because we are still 11-2... and that says a heck of a lot more than posters on a bb..

but honestly, you guys may be right, because i'm not as comfortable now as i was before tonights game... cold weather not included...

on to the eagles...

go rams

slo

[PARAM]

What are you thinking now about Wentz?

Homers can be insufferable especially when they get ahead of themselves.

Oh I think he had a helluva final 5 minutes. Overall, not so much. He looked bad until those last 5 minutes but he almost won the game for the Eagles. We'll see him up close and personal next week.

Some guy can’t help shooting off their mouth with dumb comments.

It’s really serves no purpose trying to reason them.

Reason? I particularly enjoy the 'you-heard-it-hear-first guys'. You know the type, right? They most closely associated with broken clocks just with a worst percentage.

[PARAM]

Dead on review.....

these other people are blind followers, who post 5000 times during the season and think they know football

Goff f@cking sucks in the cold, sucks when pressured and has no pocket presence or scrambling ability. Scared little boy

The Bears defense is very good, but Goff made them elite.

Great call "Max".....back to the sideline to watch who outposts each other.

Watch for post number 8,259 from Anus

What a great post and so well balanced!

[dieterbrock]

Maybe you do. I don’t know who you’re referring to. But I do know that you’re not one of them.

And maybe if I didn’t get insulted and ridiculed, I wouldn’t have brought it up after the fact. Just think about this,,,

Me: I’m concerned Goff will have a bad game on the road in the cold vs a good D.

Other posters: ha, lol. You have no idea what you’re talking about, max.

Me: looks like my concerns were legitimate

Other posters: stop acting like a jerk, max.

And you call yourself knowledge fans?

Still in your glory over last night huh?
What you fail to address in taking your bows over your "prediction" is that you were justly criticized because your assertion had no merit. You claim was that Goff played poorly in under 30 degs.
1) He had only played 1 game in under 30 deg
2) Goff explained himself that Denver was the toughest because of what defense they ran, not because it was cold
So anyway, congrats on your self proclaimed victory
Goff sucked last night

[max]

Still in your glory over last night huh?
What you fail to address in taking your bows over your "prediction" is that you were justly criticized because your assertion had no merit. You claim was that Goff played poorly in under 30 degs.
1) He had only played 1 game in under 30 deg
2) Goff explained himself that Denver was the toughest because of what defense they ran, not because it was cold
So anyway, congrats on your self proclaimed victory
Goff sucked last night

Nope, I’m on to the Eagles game.

Wentz and Goff. Should be fun.

We have the better team and we’re at home. I expect a solid win.

[/zn/]

i don't think anyone argued that arctic weather can't diminish qbs play, heck i even posted numbers from qb greats who've played poorly in arctic weather, what was being debated was the notion that goff can't play in cold weather, that it's a trend.. that, and wentz is "there" (changed to maybe) while goff isn't.

Goff just had 2 bad games in a row. He is not yet a qb who is veteran enough to be consistent and who has seen it all on defense and can be steady even against top defenses. His numbers from the last 2 games are

48% completions (would rank 32nd), 3.7 YPA (would rank 32nd), 1 TD for 1.3% (would rank 32nd), 5 INTs for 6.5% (would rank 32nd), and an avg. qb rating of 48.85 (would rank 32nd).

All qbs have "off" games especially on the road against a top defense, but usually not THAT "off" and not 2 in a row like that usually. I even did the numbers for Brees in his 4th year in this thread, and yeah he had off games, but not consecutive ones like that.

So...I would say Goff in his 3rd year is not as consistent as he will be or as we need him to be.

I can understand the impulse to defend Rams players no matter what the data is telling you, even after bad performances. But...

... the impulse to act like that means you were right all along in this debate and all its twists and nuances, including all the misplaced sarcasm and sneering?

If you can't say you might have been wrong about a lot of that now., then it's pretty likely you can't say it at all period.

Well I WILL say it. I said throughout this thread that I did not expect Goff to play poorly this game, even on the road against a top D. I thought he was more advanced than that at this point. I was wrong in saying consecutive bad games like that are a thing of his past. He's still much more a work in progress than I thought.

I DO expect him to bounce back and I don't waver on his ceiling being a high one. I expect him to finish the season well. Still, a 2 game drop off of that level--something I absolutely did not expect? You have to just realistically acknowledge that as a big bump in the road.

Whoever thinks he is already fully "there" after the last 2 games combined is just being more homer than realist. Goff needs to be better going forward, meaning more consistent without deep drops like that in his "off" games, and I still don't doubt he can do it. He just hasn't yet.

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[dieterbrock]

Goff didn’t have a bad game in Detroit. That is what I consider silly. They had the lead the whole game, won by 14 and Goff didn’t jeopardize the win. He had average stats. He had an average game.
Somehow not having eye popping stats is a bad game?
He had worse than a bad game last night.
He sucked. And he cost them the game.
Personally I thought the play calling was horrific, the line play on both sides of the ball was poor. But despite all that, they were still in the game. Goff sucked and blew any chance of coming back.

[CanuckRightWinger]

Fret not RalphDieterBrock….
Back in 2004 around Game 10 (I think) Marc Bulger was hurt and our intrepid backup QB Chris DurableLikeAChandelier Chandler threw up 6 (S-I-X) picks versus the Panthers.

So it could've been worse last night!
(sorry....just gallows humor )

[Hacksaw]

I'm sure it's been said but @max pretty much called it.

I am really surprised how bad our boy looked on national TV. The cold clearly wasn't what Jared G. Off expected. His ball looked like it weighed 10 lbs. Cold.

But the real problem was that Bears D. They were running downhill into and through our O line all night. We couldn't handle them. Not sure if the cold or their size and system that was most contributory there. Not every team can do that though.

The good news is that our D looked better. Peters early pick return was nice. We were stuffing the run. But again the 2 second plays neutralized the pass rush again. We need to remedy that. But overall the D looked better to me.
Perhaps this was defense weather. Triburski didn't look all that great either.

Disappointingly we are now the 'soft 2nd place doomed in New Orleans, will lose to the Cowboy' Rams. Perhaps that will light a fire under them and warm them up too.