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You're a disturbed individual. If I had used playoff games I am sure that you would have cried foul

Disturbed or disturbing? Prolly the latter for seeing through your overwhelming attempt at fairness to Goff. I am truly ROFLMAO with that one.

No, had you used playoff games your comparison would have been less favorable to your boy, so lets not pull punches. Obviously it wouldn't have bothered me.

I wonder how much work you put into crafting that comparison? Wow, talk about disturbed. Sammy's been gone 7 years and you're still trying to make him relevant.

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i'm going to take solace in the fact that only a couple of games are driving his high year-to-date turnover numbers, as opposed to a chronic, every game turnover problem, which some seem to think is what's going on with goff.

personally i'm much, much more concerned with what the rams are doing with their non-turnover drives, or better put, what they're not doing with their non-turnover drives, the 86% lions share of their total drives.... currently the rams rank 27th in scores per non-turnover drives, 16th in tds scored per nt drive, and 29th in field goals per nt drive, it's a depressing sitch that explains the rams current 18th ranking in offensive scoring... can mcvay fix this?

I dunno. Maybe I'm oversimplifying this. The Rams have lost 4 games this year and Goff was very bad in 3 of them. The other loss in Buffalo, when Goff played very well, we was robbed.

But those 3 other losses against the Niners twice and Miami, Goff was the major reason we lost. If he just doesn't turn the ball over we win those games. And I'm not expecting him to play as well as he did in Buffalo every game, just don't turn the freaking ball over especially when you've got the better team and are playing against a crippled team or a rookie QB making his first start.

And as I said previously, I take no solace in comparing him to HOF QBs that won SBs who had some turnover issues of their own. Its just a distraction from what is staring us in the face.

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I dunno. Maybe I'm oversimplifying this. The Rams have lost 4 games this year and Goff was very bad in 3 of them. The other loss in Buffalo, when Goff played very well, we was robbed.

But those 3 other losses against the Niners twice and Miami, Goff was the major reason we lost. If he just doesn't turn the ball over we win those games. And I'm not expecting him to play as well as he did in Buffalo every game, just don't turn the freaking ball over especially when you've got the better team and are playing against a crippled team or a rookie QB making his first start.

And as I said previously, I take no solace in comparing him to HOF QBs that won SBs who had some turnover issues of their own. Its just a distraction from what is staring us in the face.

He was A major reason they lost. As far as what counts as a "distraction," you believe your own take obviously and are free to make a case for it at will, but it's not valid to treat other takes as somehow being motivated distortions of your "truth." Intended or not, terms like "distraction" amount to indirect name-calling: "my opinion is true, so yours is just a deliberate distortion." It ends up being about your own subjective idea of the motives of those who have valid disagreements or different takes.

I think both against SF and against Miami the entire offensive approach had issues, including--especially in the 2nd SF game--some blocking issues. I think any qb playing for the Rams in the Rams scheme that Saleh faced would struggle. (Tough DL, good secondary, fast LBs--they can play the run and cover and sit on the Rams receivers while applying pressure.)

At the same time Shanahan managed to get his back-up scrub qb to move the ball enough to score against one of the best 2nd half defenses in the history of the NFL.

I don't know when McV will crack the SF code but they have the Rams number so far the same way the Rams have Seattle's.

AND. The point about qbs who had bad games in their 5th year? The idea is that having 3 bad games in your 5th year doesn't make you a bad qb.
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[Hacksaw]

Chicken or the egg? They are both factors. SF personnel vs Rams personnel? SF scheme vs Rams scheme? I'd say it a combination of both and so far SF's combo plate has the upper hand.
Something has to change. So is it better to change Rams personnel (Goff / Oline) when it works well against so may other teams? Or is it better to change how you play against those certain teams who seem to always cause you trouble?

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He was A As far as what counts as a "distraction," you believe your own take obviously and are free to make a case for it at will, but it's not valid to treat other takes as somehow being motivated distortions of your "truth." Intended or not, terms like "distraction" amounts to indirect name-calling: "my opinion is true, so yours is just a deliberate distortion." It ends up being about your own opinionated idea of the motives of those who have valid disagreements or other takes.

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I don't believe everyone who makes a case that the losses aren't on Goff are purposely trying to detract from Goff being responsible. I do believe that some posters have a long history of showing a picture of a pipe while saying "Ceci n'est pas une pipe."

So put that in your pipe and smoke it.

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I don't believe everyone who makes a case that the losses aren't on Goff are purposely trying to detract from Goff being responsible. I do believe that some posters have a long history of showing a picture of a pipe while saying "Ceci n'est pas une pipe."

So put that in your pipe and smoke it.

So it devolves. Goff must be seen your way, if not then that's because of the inherent problems of other posters, which means posting becomes about posters, because the others somehow don't grasp that you are just serenely one with the truth.

I've never seen anyone in the Rams net for decades be right often enough to legitimately make that kind of claim. I have however seen many make that kind of claim.

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Chicken or the egg? They are both factors. SF personnel vs Rams personnel? SF scheme vs Rams scheme? I'd say it a combination of both but so far SF's combo plate has the upper hand.
Something has to change. So is it better to change Rams personnel (Goff / Oline) when it works well against so may other teams? Or is it better to change how you play against those certain teams who seem to always cause you trouble?

Yeah, they need to get the SF thing figured out.

Here's one thing with Goff. When he plays well we win. An overwhelming amount of the time. When he plays bad, we lose. But sometimes the bad isn't bad enough to cost us the game.

The QB rating is not the end all on how good or bad a performance was. But it can give us a general idea. There have been many discussions about what's a good rating for an individual game, what's an acceptable rating and what's a poor rating. We may all differ on this. Regardless, here are his games separated into 4 categories. The excellent 100.0 or higher, the good 90.0 to 99.9, the average 80.0 to 89.9, the bad under 80.0.

Year...........100.0+............90.0 - 99.9...........80.0 - 89.9...............under 80.0
2017...........5-1...................4-0......................1-1..........................1-2
2018...........9-1...................1-0......................1-0..........................2-2
2019...........4-0...................2-0......................0-4..........................3-3
2020...........4-1...................2-0......................0-0..........................1-3

However imperfect that scale may be, can we glean anything from it?

He had a great year in 2018?
We had a great team in 2018?
His 2017 season may have been better than we thought?
He had a rough year in 2019?
The 2019 team wasn't as good as 2018?
He's played worse this year, than 2019?
He's played better this year?
He's played about the same this year?

Since the QB rating emphasizes things like interceptions (penalized more than TDs are credited), completion percentage, yards per attempt and TDs, if he's having such a terrible year in 2020, how come he's surpassed his 2019 numbers already? The fumbles? Certainly one adjustment I'd make is take into account fumbles lost. He had 3 in 2017, 5 in 2018, 5 in 2019 and 4 this year (with 5 games remaining).

So has he played better, worse or about the same as last year, all things considered?

[bremillard]

Let's see...

Jared Goff is second in wins among QBs since 2017, but does not have a large number of game winning drives...

What could that possibly mean...

Why... its almost like the Rams frequently had a lead towards the end of games and didn't need to win on a final drive.

Goff's career. 103 TD's. 71 turnovers. 88.8% rating. 8 game winning drives with 25 failed chances to pull the game out. Contract $134,000,000. $110,000,000 guaranteed. No thanks.

[bremillard]

Goff sure has had some bad games. But is that what the complaints are all about? Goff is playing poorly and needs to get better? Or do we need another quarterback? Because lets get real, he's our guy whether some like it or not. Its far from a sure thing we find someone better. Because last time I checked the top quarterbacks are all taken.

Another argument is that he should be better because he got paid. Well, shout at the moon all you want. It doesn't work that way. All you can do is hope he gets better. So far it ain't looking like it.

Bottom line, Goff is going nowhere. He's the Rams quarterback. There are no better options at this point. He's shown he's capable of good games and winning. All we can do is hope whatever is in his head causing turnovers gets straightened out.

And as much as I have been shading JG this is how I feel as well. It's hard for me to watch an otherwise adequately played game go down in flames because of bonehead plays the highest paid player on the team makes. I am to the point where I expect him to be a liability. I hope he can turn things around but after 5 years and 65 games I doubt that any revelations will be arrived at. He has to man up. Take some hits instead of avoiding contact at all costs and become a leader. Wentz is playing poorly but he is doing everything he can to lead-including diving for first downs. Goff...not so much.

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Goff's career. 103 TD's. 71 turnovers. 88.8% rating. 8 game winning drives with 25 failed chances to pull the game out. Contract $134,000,000. $110,000,000 guaranteed. No thanks.

So you're doing the "lazy thing" and just looking at losses, saying he failed to pull the game out? And you're going to include those 7 losses as a rookie in Fisher's high school offense? That in itself is ridiculous, but there's more. You're counting the Seattle game last year when he drove us down to win but Z missed the FG at the end? Or the SF game when he drove us down to tie and we did tie but the defense gave up two 3rd and 16's on SF's drive to a GWFG? Not one, which might have been a fluke, but 2! Riddle me this batman, were there any "failed comebacks" that weren't his fault? Like a receiver dropping a ball? Or a RB not taking the proper lane? Or a holding call? False start? Or other dumb penalty? How about just a great play by the defense? Good job.

Here's a thought. In Bulger's last 5 years, we didn't make the postseason. In Bradford's 4 years we didn't finish .500. In three years with Davis, Foles and Keenum under center we didn't finish .500. And in the last 10 years before 2017, the Rams won 46 games and made the playoffs 0 times. In the last 4 years with Goff under center the Rams have won 40 games and made the playoffs twice and went to the Superbowl. It'll soon be 3 times out of 4 in the postseason. As a Ram fan who's been a Ram fan since the late 60's, I'll take it. And although the best we could expect with the rest of 2020 is 45 wins over the last 4 years, that's 1 shy of the previous decade......in 4 fucking years. Yeah, no thanks, right?

Great reasoning Batman. When did you jump on board? 99?