[BuiltRamTough]

Yeah he had a few bad games (btw so did Stafford in his 5th year). But if that;s all you saw you didn't see Goff. He also had good games. Such as when they beat Tampa on the road without being able to run that day and throwing 51 times. Goff was inconsistent in 2020 and to be honest, I think McV being a too abrasive qb coach didn't help.

The overly negative hyperbole about Goff comes from acting as if the bad games were the only ones he played. Wentz crashed and played badly in 2020--that's not what happened with Goff, who was inconsistent. While it's not ideal by any means being inconsistent is not the same thing as a bad Wentz. And even then they fixed some of it with Goff. After the Miami game other teams tried the same kind of defensive attack and the result was that at the end of the season Goff ranked highly against the blitz.

I don't even believe the "must throw long" argument because obviously a lot of qbs have done well, including superbowl wins, without that factor. Still, it's what McV wanted, so he needed a guy who could do what he envisions. If the marriage between a qb and a winning coach breaks, it's the qb who leaves.

Obviously none of this takes anything away from Stafford, who is a smart and savvy 13 year vet, someone McV will listen to, and a qb who has been there done that and seen it all. Stafford is a good qb and I am glad they have him.

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I also saw Goff throw another pick 6 last Sunday with the Lions.

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The pick 6 was typical especially on his own end of the field. The 4th down throw at the end was typical as well. Goff is not the guy you want in pressure situations. He get's happy feet and folds more times than not.

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The pick 6 was typical especially on his own end of the field. The 4th down throw at the end was typical as well. Goff is not the guy you want in pressure situations. He get's happy feet and folds more times than not.

Goff's INTs came in spurts. His biggest flaw was pressing to make plays when they weren't there--when he should have run (and slid), gotten out of bounds, thrown it away, or take the sack. Whether he unlearns that remains to be seen.

The idea that picks are "typical" of him is just more overgeneralizing. He was inconsistent. He would have high turnover games in spurts and then go for stretches without any or just 1 or 2.

He was inconsistent. That means any focus exclusively on the negative will lead to a false picture.

And to be clear no one is saying "inconsistent" is ideal. Just that it's more factually accurate.

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[T3rry]

I was never really sold on Goff, although I was always rooting for him to turn the corner and show he was worth that big contract.

I thought the Saints game in the playoffs would be a turning point...But he too often than not would fold under pressure. I had ZERO confidence in his ability and leadership to get us a come from behind win if he had the ball in his hands with just a few minutes left.

Just like last week versus the whiners. I knew he would either get sacked, fumble (or both)or throw an incompletion/pick to end the game.

He has some skill... but he never played with any fire. Dude was too cool for school on the sidelines. Not saying he needed to be amped up to 1000 or getting in guys faces all the time... but show SOMETHING. As someone stated earlier, he had some embarrassing games where it looked like we just pulled some dude from the stands and said.. "hey, go play QB- try not to die" I think I left my seat early in the 3rd quarter last year vs the 9ers.
Ooooof, that was rough.

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I don't care whether a qb shows "fire," personally.

In the 2020 Tampa game, Woods praised how Goff handled the final minutes of the Tampa game. Rams took the field with 2:36 left, tie game. Woods said that Goff told the team that it was just like a Thursday practice--Thursdays being the day they practiced 2 minute drills. Woods contrasted Goff being cool in that situation to the coaches being ramped up and anxious on the sidelines.

Stafford has more of the "fire" you like so you're probably glad to see that. But to me it's not a factor either way. Stafford is just like that. I personally would not care if he weren't like that.

[RedAlice]

I don't care whether a qb shows "fire," personally.

In the 2020 Tampa game, Woods praised how Goff handled the final minutes of the Tampa game. Rams took the field with 2:36 left, tie game. Woods said that Goff told the team that it was just like a Thursday practice--Thursdays being the day they practiced 2 minute drills. Woods contrast Goff being cool in that situation to the coaches being ramped up and anxious on the sidelines.

Stafford has more of the "fire" you like so you're probably glad to see that. But to me it's not a factor either way. Stafford is just like that. I personally would not care if he weren't like that.

Are you sure he is like that?

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Are you sure he is like that?

You mean Stafford? Actually now that you ask no I am not sure. Never watched Detroit much when he was there. I base the idea that he might be like that on him running down the field in the Bears game after a TD.

[PARAM]

It's common for fans to include 'lack of fire", "lack of desire", "lack of heart", et al, among their legitimate criticisms of their QB (or now ex-QB). Those things that are impossible to see or know from the stands or the couch. And they get repeated so often, by so many fans, they become mistakenly accepted as fact.

Stafford running down the field Sunday night after the Jefferson TD was awesome. Just like the touchdown pass to Everett when McVay and Goff chest bumped or the first down sneak on 4th and 1 in Seattle when Goff came up yelling and signaling "first down", to name just two.

I'm thrilled with Stafford's ability to go deep, his pocket awareness and his experience. We seem to be in very capable hands at QB. Goff may show some of the same things in his 13th year but that's no longer my or most Rams fans concern. We should be all in on Stafford.

Of course there will be those who continue to chide Goff's tenure as a Ram for whatever reason. "Paid too much" like he held out and demanded a raise. If he was overpaid it would be McSnead and management's fault. "Couldn't win the Superbowl" as if getting there wasn't a huge accomplishment. "Folds in crucial situations" like more than a few of those situations in the 2018 CCG at New Orleans or any number of other games from 2017-2020.

Instead of just saying something like... "the Rams, as a team, made huge strides with Goff under center but something happened after the Superbowl loss. It wasn't the same anymore. Now he's gone and we're thrilled with Stafford going forward".......it's popular to kick the guy for whatever reason.

Different strokes for different folks.

[RedAlice]

You mean Stafford? Actually now that you ask no I am not sure. Never watched Detroit much when he was there. I base the idea that he might be like that on him running down the field in the Bears game after a TD.

Maybe he is excited to be here. As he should be.

[snackdaddy]

Of course there will be those who continue to chide Goff's tenure as a Ram for whatever reason. "Paid too much" like he held out and demanded a raise. If he was overpaid it would be McSnead and management's fault. "Couldn't win the Superbowl" as if getting there wasn't a huge accomplishment. "Folds in crucial situations" like more than a few of those situations in the 2018 CCG at New Orleans or any number of other games from 2017-2020.

Instead of just saying something like... "the Rams, as a team, made huge strides with Goff under center but something happened after the Superbowl loss. It wasn't the same anymore. Now he's gone and we're thrilled with Stafford going forward".......it's popular to kick the guy for whatever reason.

Different strokes for different folks.

Some people just have the need to say "I told you so". Goff wasn't as bad as some of his hardcore critics have said. And he wasn't as good as some of his hardcore defenders have said.

He did some good things for a while. Won more games than any QB since Warner. But in the end, McVay wanted more than what he could offer.

He seemed to have hit his ceiling the past couple years. Will he get over that hump and improve? I don't know. I do know Stafford is an upgrade. So I'm pretty happy with that.