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There were zero over coverage throws.

I keep saying it. If you looked at the percentage of total attempts thrown deep (which I count as 31 yards or more) the Rams were always around 5% which puts them in the top third of the league, and not low in that top third. Goff was the only qb who didn't have a higher percentage of attempts in that range. Heck the Rams threw long more than the McVay Washington offense did. Where McVay's offense beat the Rams was in attempts thrown in the medium and deep medium ranges.

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here's a look at target % for rams players dating back to when tavon was drafted... tavon's 2016 & 2015 numbers are pretty scary, so many targets to a guy with such a laughably low depth of catch average, so many targets to a guy who much more often than not catches the ball well short of the sticks, not a recipe for offensive success.

and here's a look at combined targets and carries % (excluding qbs), a lot of action thrown tavon's way in 2016 and 2015, in an offensive scheme that was more fingers crossed than smart x's and o's.

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I was listening to Myles Simmons and D'Marco Farr on a Pod Cast. They said Tavon is also showing leadership. He's been at the OTA's running and working (I assume in the meetings as well). Again, it's voluntary and he just had surgery on his wrist. At least he's putting in the work to learn the offense and stay in shape.

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I keep saying it. If you looked at the percentage of total attempts thrown deep (which I count as 31 yards or more) the Rams were always around 5% which puts them in the top third of the league, and not low in that top third. Goff was the only qb who didn't have a higher percentage of attempts in that range. Heck the Rams threw long more than the McVay Washington offense did. Where McVay's offense beat the Rams was in attempts thrown in the medium and deep medium ranges.

Trying to sell it here also huh? This makes no sense what so ever. So what they throw deep? They don't complete them. It hasn't helped them score TD's, it hasn't helped them rank higher than 32 in total offense and it hasn't helped them rank higher than 31st in yards per pass attempt. Austin has only averaged over 10 yards a catch for a season once, and that's with the inflated stat line from the Colts game.

This argument carries no weight IMO. Fisher's offenses sucked horribly. Don't see how anyone sees it any differently.

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I think Tavon was a huge draft mistake. No way he should have went that high in the draft.

I respectfully disagree. If you believe he was drafted to be a #1 WR, then, yeah, it was a stupid move. If you believe he was drafted to be a multi-dimensional weapon, then he was worth the pick........in an offense that knows how to take full advantage of his skills. Plus, he's a dynamite punt returner and he can take the ball out of the backfield. I'd bet Martz, in his heyday, would have made Tavon a freakin star.

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Other than the fact that TA goes down even from the wind of a whiff , he is elusive and can break one on just about any play in the open field. We did need a #1 WR when he was drafted and I'm not so sure Snisher didn't at least hope he'd be a #1. That isn't going to happen imo, so let's hope someone from the rest of our crew is capable of that position.
I have to agree with @Dick84 that if he doesn't light it up this year, this year might be his last in the scrawny horns.

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Trying to sell it here also huh? This makes no sense what so ever. So what they throw deep? They don't complete them. It hasn't helped them score TD's, it hasn't helped them rank higher than 32 in total offense and it hasn't helped them rank higher than 31st in yards per pass attempt. Austin has only averaged over 10 yards a catch for a season once, and that's with the inflated stat line from the Colts game.

This argument carries no weight IMO. Fisher's offenses sucked horribly. Don't see how anyone sees it any differently.

Yeah they actually did complete them. That too is just a matter of the math. They completed them at a good rate in fact.

Now remember what's happening here. You're complaining about Fisher's offenses. Okay.

I was describing the numbers on long passes. That's just fact. Whether it fits your narrative or not.

Meanwhile it's a simple fact. If you don't like the fact then just say "I don't care it has no effect on what I believe about the offense." I would be like, cool, whatever. Then the conversation might look more rational.



But yes they threw long at a pretty decent rate. They completed them at a pretty decent rate. That's simple math. What does it mean? What does that tell us? What significance does that have? What if anything does that say about the offense as a whole?

Well that's a different conversation...I haven't said anything about that either way.

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It's a fact the Rams throw 31+ at a pretty good clip (about 1.5 times a game).

But it's not a fact they throw long a lot. They don't.

And that's the crux of the disagreement...

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Other than the fact that TA goes down even from the wind of a whiff , he is elusive and can break one on just about any play in the open field. We did need a #1 WR when he was drafted and I'm not so sure Snisher didn't at least hope he'd be a #1. That isn't going to happen imo, so let's hope someone from the rest of our crew is capable of that position.
I have to agree with @Dick84 that if he doesn't light it up this year, this year might be his last in the scrawny horns.

My view on Tavon is simple. I never thought he was a pure receiver, before they even drafted him, and I was openly for drafting him.

He's a combined yards type who was used best in 2015.

IMO any effort to make him a pure receiver, and a regular deep threat in the D.Jackson mold, probably will not work. I don't think he has those skills in his game.

So it's up to McVay. Does he want to adapt to Tavon and use him how he's best used, a la 2015? Or is he not interested in that and if TA can't be more of a pure receiver in the D.Jackson mold he can't use him? I assume that if he takes the 2nd course, Tavon is gone. If he takes the first, Tavon will be productive for them.

And I don't judge it either way. McVay may have a vision TA doesn't fit. Or, McVay may want to adapt to what Tavon does and see what he can get out of him. It's just one of those things...neither choice is "wrong."

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It's a fact the Rams throw 31+ at a pretty good clip (about 1.5 times a game).

But it's not a fact they throw long a lot. They don't.

And that's the crux of the disagreement...

Have you ever done the numbers league wide on what is high and low in terms of percentages of attempts thrown 31 yards or more?

I have. The Rams were always up there in the top third.

That's a simple fact whether or not you like it, or whether or not you somehow (falsely) think that means we're discussing the whole Fisher offense when we discuss that one fact, or whether or not somehow for some reason you think that triggers Fisher Wars etc.

And it was not the same percentage or attempts per game each year or even each qb. So "1.5" doesn't mean anything.

BTW the league as a whole is usually 1.4 or under.

So simple fact. They threw long passes. They completed them at a good rate. That is measured comparatively compared to the league as a whole.

Another simple fact. I did not say what that meant, or what it's value was, or whether it was good or bad. So your obsessive anxiety about acting like somehow this is intolerable and disallowed praise for Fisher is just way misplaced.

If you want to discuss the Fisher offense start a thread. So far all I did was provide real numbers on one specific issue. I didn't mean to set your Ahab off.