[snackdaddy]

They pulled ahead of Tampa with seconds to go in the third quarter after being behind 10-20 at one point, and the go-ahead score against Arizona was later in the 4th quarter, with about 2:20-something left on the clock.

I don't know if 50% is good enough but it's better than 0%.

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I believe that Arizona drive started in the redzone after the Austin punt return and penalty. But I guess that does qualify as a game winning drive. The point I'm saying is, who likes our chances needing a score with two minutes and having to drive from their own 20? Even if just for FG range? I don't see Keenum as having that kind of mentality to lead late drives. I also don't see him has the kind of QB to lead a playoff push. But he's Fisher's guy and all we can do is hope.

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I believe that Arizona drive started in the redzone after the Austin punt return and penalty. But I guess that does qualify as a game winning drive. The point I'm saying is, who likes our chances needing a score with two minutes and having to drive from their own 20? Even if just for FG range? I don't see Keenum as having that kind of mentality to lead late drives. I also don't see him has the kind of QB to lead a playoff push. But he's Fisher's guy and all we can do is hope.

I like our chances. I think they are 50/50.

Whether or not CK can be part of a playoff drive remains to be seen. I will say this. The one thing you can COUNT on him having IS the mentality. CK is the best example we have ever seen of a Rams qb with modest skills who maximizes through smarts and just pure work. Plus (and I was saying this LAST year) he has enough field smarts and improv in him to be a gamer.

But AGAIN...in every thread on Keenum I am in, someone comes along and says "but he's not a franchise qb." Here;s the problem with saying that. NO ONE EVER SAYS OTHERWISE. If you think you have to argue that he's not longterm starting caliber, you are fighting with ghosts, because no one ever actually DOES say that.

My thing is just to be precisely accurate about what we ARE seeing. That doesn't mean anyone is running out of bounds with ideas about him being a permanent starter. Like I said, I have to say this for some reason every single Keenum thread I'm in.

The trick is to look at what he actually IS, and IMO a lot of people underestimate him. It was like running through mud to convince people that yes Keenum can and does throw long (which all the evidence from both games and the numbers completely validates, going back a few years now). Now it's like running through mud in a hurricane to get people to see that if all you know about Keenum is his measurables, then you are just missing who and what he is.

The guy is a gamer. Only 50/50 so far in clutch situations, but he has the head and heart of a gamer. IMO he's the best #2 caliber qb the Rams have had since I have been watching them in the 70s, and MOST OF THAT comes from intangibles and him being just dna level football smart. And yes he is still not a starter type. He's not Montana, he's more like Pat Haden on steroids and with computer implant brain enhancements.

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[69RamFan]

One thing I notice, he seems to lock in on his first option,
even if our WRs is covered, and I believe that hurts him in the long wrong.

This is why he threw that INT, you could tell the play was for Kendricks, because you can see Keenum was locked in on him, and he should of never thrown that ball, Kendricks was running into triple coverage.

Gurley was open in the flats, and could of picked up at least 15 yards or more and run out of bounds to kill the clock, cause there was only one man in front of Gurley, and I'm sure he could of out run that LBer.

But I'm not blaming him for us losing that game, I would of given him and Britt the game ball, if our D could of held Detroit in that last TD.

There is a lot of blame to go around, but I put the blame on one certain play, right before half time, you can blame the play call, especially that O-line blocking scheme by the coaching staff, it was pathetic, the way the D line was set up, a heavy front, with the strong side on the left side.

You could of done two plays, power run on the right side of the line right behind RG Brown and let him maul over the D-lineman, or do a run/pass option play on the right side, it was all set up to do both of those two play.

Right before that first time out, the RAMs tried to do a quick snap, and once again, they use that stupid O-line play, the LT lets the DE free because he is suppose to go block into the second level, and that DE would of gotten Gurley in the backfield. I was saying to myself, thank you for the whistle.

Luckily the RAMs got that review time out right after Britt caught it near the goal line, plus the RAMs called another time out. They should of had three plays drowned up and ready to go, depending how the D was set up, then call out the correct play at the line of scrimmage.

But they stilled blew it with stupid pulling the RG O-line scheme that next play.

After watching that play several times on tape, that was the only play they had ready at the line of scrimmage, and that's what they were going with. SMH......

[TheRams4life]

I'll be glad when this guy is gone next year and we are talking about Goff. Not the best Rams "backup QB I've seen in a long time" lol. The guy played a great game yes, but again he cost the rams the game at the end. That's what he'll continue to do if asked to win it in the end.

[Hacksaw]

True, but if our defense could force more stops, he wouldn't have been winning at the end.

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I'll be glad when this guy is gone next year and we are talking about Goff. Not the best Rams "backup QB I've seen in a long time" lol. The guy played a great game yes, but again he cost the rams the game at the end. That's what he'll continue to do if asked to win it in the end.

He should never have been in that position. That game was on the defense.

When they were behind and needed a comeback win against Arz and Buffalo, he came through.

I always give credit to Rams players who deserve it.

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[max]

Keenum is a small time player. Your team will never be good as long as he is starting.

Heaping accolades on a backup QB is like getting excited about hamburger helper. No thanks.

[snackdaddy]

Keenum is a small time player. Your team will never be good as long as he is starting.

Heaping accolades on a backup QB is like getting excited about hamburger helper. No thanks.

Yeah, thats a good analogy. Keenum has some good intangibles. But he's limited. He's hit his ceiling. What you see is what you get. Reminds me of Pat Haden but Haden had a much better team around him. So with Keenum what we get is a .500 team. Not terrible. Not good. Average. I have a feeling most fans want more.

[max]

Yeah, thats a good analogy. Keenum has some good intangibles. But he's limited. He's hit his ceiling. What you see is what you get. Reminds me of Pat Haden but Haden had a much better team around him. So with Keenum what we get is a .500 team. Not terrible. Not good. Average. I have a feeling most fans want more.

Let's hope the fans in LA won't accept average and call it competitive or, heaven help us, "good".

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Yeah, thats a good analogy. Keenum has some good intangibles. But he's limited. He's hit his ceiling. What you see is what you get. Reminds me of Pat Haden but Haden had a much better team around him. So with Keenum what we get is a .500 team. Not terrible. Not good. Average. I have a feeling most fans want more.

This is another one of those posts I have been talking about. First, you don't have to have a feeling most fans want more...Keenum is a placeholder and no one says otherwise. If anyone thought Keenum is a longterm starter capable of challenging Goff, surely they would have said so...yet obviously no one thinks that. So who are you arguing with when you say that? Anybody? Quote something that actual;y requires that response.

And the truth is, for a guy who is average physically, he is playing beyond expectations. Mostly because his game doesn't reduce to his physical measureables. I think anyone who denies THAT is just either not watching the games, or has an ulterior agenda.

So given who he is, and given the role he is being asked to play, that of a placeholder, he is clearly and obviously better than you guys are saying. So much so, that I actually wonder if poor CK is being under-appreciated for reasons that have nothing to do with him and his play. Is it that you guys are so invested in the start Goff now ideology that you feel it's necessary to downgrade Keenum? Cause to be frank and blunt and honest, that' s what it looks like.

This reminds me of before the season started and many kept saying, you don't have a downfield game with CK, he can't throw deep. Even though that is clearly not true. Posting the highlights didn't matter, posting the stats didn't matter.... And right now CK is 10th in YPA in the league.

For example, according to teamrankings.com stats, in the last 3 games the Rams third down conversion percentage is 45.7%...which would be ranked 6th in the league. It actually IS ranked 6th if you rank it against the last 3 games for all 32 teams. Ranking 6th at 3rd round conversions is the best the Rams have done since 2003 when they also ranked 6th (they were 7th in 2004).

So clearly he is playing effectively in his role, even given his literally undisputed (because no one does dispute them) physical limitations. And that's without a running game and recently, without a defense (or at least with a defense that is hampered by missing both Quinn and Johnson).

Are you afraid that if you acknowledge that, that somehow magically, Goff will never be given a shot to start?

Cause see I don't see the point in denying the obvious good things in his play. It;s not like denying that will make it so Goff will start sooner, or be less of a rookie when he does.

And for the record I have been saying since he was drafted that it does not matter to me when Goff starts. Now, a few games from now, end of the season, next year...I just have no dog in that fight. I am a big Goff advocate and if anything the way Keenum is playing, it reminds me that this routine some have where they somehow deny the Rams can coach qbs is just nonsense. Everything good Keenum does is a reminder that Goff is in good hands.

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