[/zn/]

spot on... this is football, goff has been playing the game since he was a child, the notion that the complexities of the nfl game would elude him are just plain silly imo

Good thing no one said that then. No one said anything would "elude" him.

Speaking of which, I said the system shouldn't be "too" complex for Goff to learn. Not that it wasn't complex. But if Goff, who was supposed to be pro ready, can't pick up enough of the offense to get on the field, then that'll be a disappointment. Ever since Keenum took over last year, the Rams haven't really asked much of the QB position.

For what he cost, Goff BETTER be able to step in and do what Keenum was doing last year. Hand the ball off and don't F things up. That's all. And that's not too much to ask for a QB who was drafted #1 overall in recent years. If Goff can't even do that, then he was way overpriced.

I fully expect him to be on the field opening day. But like I said, if he's not, that'll be disappointing.

We have no idea what Boras is asking of Goff, given that he became the actual coordinator in the off-season, and then had that off-season to tweak the offense along with input from others, including Groh. An interim coordinator with a #2 qb thrust into a starting role at the end of the season maybe gives us the parameters for THIS offense, and maybe not.

And of course it;s a play-action offense, but then that doesn't mean it's simplistic, and no 2 play-action offenses would necessarily look the same (which just means that saying it's a play-action offense in itself tells us nothing). After all they have to field a qb who can win coming from behind later in the 4th, and that won't be just handing off. (As if passing games for run heavy teams were just simple anyway.)

Either way, there's a lot we don't know yet. But I do see you making a lot of assumptions that I wonder about.

But if he doesn't start right off, you can be disappointed if you want. I personally won't be. It's just different ways of looking at it.

[Ramsfan1971]

I wonder which practice Brooks attended? I saw these things the first 2 days for sure. But, he looked much sharper day 3 and his clock looked to have sped up a bit relative to the first 2 practices. That said, Keenum hasn't looked bad at all. It is his utter lack of arm strength that gets me. I came away after Tuesday's practiced certain Goff would claim the staring roll. More will be revealed today and throughout the preseason. Unless one of them totally craps the bed, I can see Fisher waiting to name a starter for game one as early as after preseason game 3, or as late as the week of practice prior to the opener.

I agree with you 34. His first two days, he looked nervous and confused. Day 3 and Family Day, much improved. I agree, go with Case if it means wins. If we start off 0-2, he will be out there game 3 as the starter.

[dieterbrock]

They traded the farm to get him. He is the qb of the future. He should be starting day 1 and quite frankly they should be designing the offense around his skill set so he's more comfortable. I too believe this whole idea is a myth that a qb needs to sit and learn. He's gonna learn more by playing.
Keenum (who I am a big fan of) is not some grizzled NFL vet with a history of experience behind him. And he was hardly a model of effectiveness at qb last year, only that he happened to start 5 games when the defense played great and he had leads to work with. When they needed him to step up and win a game for them, he failed somewhat miserably.
They need to get Goff ready not hope he is ready.

[/zn/]

They traded the farm to get him. He is the qb of the future. He should be starting day 1

Yep they traded a lot though in retrospect it wasn't too much.
Yep he is the qb of the future.

And then the logical disconnect.

There is no real reason the first 2 statements logically leads to or necessarily requires the third.

To me it's as if you said we bought the car, it is our transportation, therefore we must paint the kitchen ceiling blue.

Maybe you want them to start him day 1. Maybe they will or won't start him day 1. There's no reason why they absolutely MUST start him day 1. All I get out of your post is that if they DONT' start him day 1 you personally will complain. Okay. That's fine.

[dieterbrock]

They traded the farm to get him. He is the qb of the future. He should be starting day 1

Yep they traded a lot though in retrospect it wasn't too much.
Yep he is the qb of the future.

And then the logical disconnect.

There is no real reason the first 2 statements logically leads to or necessarily requires the third.

To me it's as if you said we bought the car, it is our transportation, therefore we must paint the kitchen ceiling blue.

Maybe you want them to start him day 1. Maybe they will or won't start him day 1. There's no reason why they absolutely MUST start him day 1. All I get out of your post is that if they DONT' start him day 1 you personally will complain. Okay. That's fine.

All you get out of any post is that you want to argue. You are a very simple minded individual.
They invested heavily in Goff and its their responsibility to put him and the franchise in the best position to succeed.
Having him sit behind a pedestrian at best qb is completely illogical. The last 10 years has shown that rookie qb are ready to play and by doing so doesn't hold the team or the player back.
This team has been subjected to 2nd rate qb play for 4 seasons. Keenum only looks good because of a meaningless 3-2 record. The lack of offensive production in his 5 starts is staggering.
I don't want Goff to learn watching that train wreck.

[ramsman34]

Somebody go ask David Carr how much he leaned by playing. He was destroyed due to bad protection and total lack of NFL experience, and he came form an NFL offense in college I believe. A QB has a lot to measure and read in the NFL and the window from snap to getting play off/sacked is quite small. so far, Goff looks like he will be very good. his "clock" is speeding up, his command in gaining. Yes, he needs reps. but that is what the preseason/practice are for. You don't get him reps in real games just to get him reps. You try to win those games and put the players out there who you think give you that chance.

I think Goff will improve enough to start either game 1 or by game 3. Case might be the safer, smarter play on MNF then against the shesquats. We really need to win those 2 games so I am certain the coaches will pick the guy they think gives us the best shot at that.

[aeneas1]

Somebody go ask David Carr how much he leaned by playing. He was destroyed due to bad protection and total lack of NFL experience, and he came form an NFL offense in college I believe.

i'm guessing carr would say he was grateful that he given the chance to start right away, that it was an invaluable learning experience that made him a better qb entering his sophomore year... what i'm pretty sure he wouldn't say is that he wished he rode pine his rookie year, that it would have been good for him, made him a better qb in 2015... re "he was destroyed due to bad protection and total lack of NFL experience..", i'm not sure i follow? among the top 40 qbs in 2014, only 6 had a lower sack rate than carr, in fact his sack rate was much higher in 2015 but his numbers, and the raiders' offensive scoring, continued to improve... moreover i think the 2014 ink was universal when it came to carr, despite the raiders' poor season, everyone liked what they saw, everyone seemed very impressed, and everyone felt the raiders had found the qb of the future...

[RamsFanSince82]

Aeneas, I don't agree with Ramsman using David Carr as a reason not to start Goff in the first game of the season, but you're thinking of Derek Carr.

Edit: Maybe you knew he was referring to his brother, but you're using Derek as a reason/example for why Goff should start the first game.

[ramsman34]

Yes, David Carr, nor Derek. Derek IS an example of a good reason to start Goff. My entire point is starting/not starting based on chronology and where a guy was picked in the draft is stupid. Play him when the coaches think he is ready to give the team the best chance to win, whenever that may be. No on-the-job training for the sake of because everybody else has or because he was picked first overall. I get that "learning" behind journey man Case Keenum isn't a great school of exemplary QB play. But, there are things Keenum does that are smart and that a rookie can use. It won't be the end of the world if he doesn't start game one. It won't make him a bust. It won't declare that the Rams spent too much on him. He is the LONG TERM QB solution. Or at least that is the plan.

Start him when he is really ready and gives us the best chance to win. Not a minute sooner.

[ramsman34]

And I was using David Carr, of the Houston Texans, as an example of what can happen to a so-called highly talented QB who starts quite probably before he is ready. He was gun shy his sophomore season and he never lived up to his draft status. Maybe he never would have regardless. But there are serious risks starting a QB who A. isn't ready and B. isn't the team's best choice at the time to potentially win a game.