[ramsman34]

I'm fine with any of these QBs.

One thing I've learned is I don't know squat about who is gonna be a sustainable QB and who is gonna be a bust.

All I know is Snead better get this right or his career as a GM in LA is over.

If he goes QB in the first? Or this draft altogether?

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I agree, and I don't. We don't know how quickly he can develop the fundamental tools to play QB in the NFL. Furthermore, as I referenced, if the Rams are smart they taylor the passing game to his strengths.

Well he has never read a defense while dropping back from center in his life...among other things he has never done. Basically, in a key sense, he has no strengths. Not yet. Technically, he's not even a qb yet. He's a college spread qb with huge gaps in his game, and that means as a pro he's not even yet a qb. Even in his 4th year Foles got tripped up by a lot of the same things. Putting someone that green on the field would be a disaster. One camp would not be enough to un-green him, IMO. He would be another version of Robinson, though Robinson was not the qb and was just 1 of 5 linemen.

When it comes to all that they are better off with Keenum. Which is also fine with me.

And bear in mind, I like Lynch and if they drafted him would be completely fine with it.

If Mannion doesn't step up this year, I suppose I can see a scenario where he could come in later in the year?

[ramsman34]

I agree, and I don't. We don't know how quickly he can develop the fundamental tools to play QB in the NFL. Furthermore, as I referenced, if the Rams are smart they taylor the passing game to his strengths.

Well he has never read a defense while dropping back from center in his life...among other things he has never done. Basically, in a key sense, he has no strengths. Not yet. Technically, he's not even a qb yet. He's a college spread qb with huge gaps in his game, and that means as a pro he's not even yet a qb. Even in his 4th year Foles got tripped up by a lot of the same things. Putting someone that green on the field would be a disaster. One camp would not be enough to un-green him, IMO. He would be another version of Robinson, though Robinson was not the qb and was just 1 of 5 linemen.

When it comes to all that they are better off with Keenum. Which is also fine with me.

And bear in mind, I like Lynch and if they drafted him would be completely fine with it.

If Mannion doesn't step up this year, I suppose I can see a scenario where he could come in later in the year?

RG3 came from the same spread style offense in college. Now, I am not suggesting that we go read option. But, all he has done since college is work on NFL under center drops and footwork. Not nearly enough time to master them but the base is already being established. Foles doesn't have the arm, mobility, or athleticism of Lynch - not even close. I get the point but they don't compare other than what they ran in college. In a perfect world Keenum starts and plays either into the playoffs or until we are out of playoff contention. Once out of contention, BOTH Lynch and Mannion should get opportunities to show where they are. At least that is how I would do it.

[ramsman34]

And, by tailoring the offense to his strengths, and I argue he has them; deep ball accuracy, shot gun fast pass game, ability to throw every outside screen there is, roll-out/half-field read ability, and yes, some option ability..... you would be eliminating the most difficult aspects, like multiple read route progressions and attacking down field inside the numbers. It would be a limited passing game. and I would have no problem starting there with him at all. We had the WORST passing game in the NFL last season. Can't see this as being any worse than that.

But, at this time I do agree that Keenum is our best play to start the season. And that would be the same if Wentz of Lynch were drafted most likely. Perhaps Goff or even Cook might be able to start sooner.

[dieterbrock]

I agree, and I don't. We don't know how quickly he can develop the fundamental tools to play QB in the NFL. Furthermore, as I referenced, if the Rams are smart they taylor the passing game to his strengths.

Well he has never read a defense while dropping back from center in his life...among other things he has never done. Basically, in a key sense, he has no strengths. Not yet. Technically, he's not even a qb yet. He's a college spread qb with huge gaps in his game, and that means as a pro he's not even yet a qb. Even in his 4th year Foles got tripped up by a lot of the same things. Putting someone that green on the field would be a disaster. One camp would not be enough to un-green him, IMO. He would be another version of Robinson, though Robinson was not the qb and was just 1 of 5 linemen.

When it comes to all that they are better off with Keenum. Which is also fine with me.

And bear in mind, I like Lynch and if they drafted him would be completely fine with it.

If Mannion doesn't step up this year, I suppose I can see a scenario where he could come in later in the year?

Lynch is in same boat as Roethlisberger and Flacco coming in to league, and they both fared pretty as rookies.
I'd love to think that Keenum plays well enough that Lynch can afford to stay on the bench. On the other hand, if Keenum continues his mediocre play, there's no reason to not get Lynch in there, if he of course is on the team....

[dieterbrock]

What if he and Goff are there at 15?

Cant see any chance of that happening, in fact its more than likely that neither will be there at #15

[TSFH Fan]

RG3 came from the same spread style offense in college.

I was wondering about Briles v. Fuente so I decided to look around a bit and found this, fwiw:
https://www.canesinsight.com/thread/tal ... nses/93472

Art Briles/Dino Babers - Baylor "Tempo Spread"

The Baylor Effect: Spread energizes Bowling Green, Tulsa | College Football

A quick summary of Briles' concept of the spread -

"First, go fast. Second, spread the field about as wide as possible. Third, run inside to take advantage of all that space created by receivers lined up outside the hash marks. Fourth, go deep — a lot.

The Baylor offense rarely asks quarterbacks to make NFL-style progressions and defensive reads. Running backs and tight ends are hardly ever used in the passing game."


Now here's where it gets interesting to me re: Dino Babers -


"Babers and Bowling Green are a little different.

"You'll see them do a few more traditional NFL concepts," said Chris B. Brown, the author of "The Essential Smart Football" and "The Art of Smart Football." "It's not that Baylor doesn't have that stuff, it's that they don't have to use it."

Babers spent nearly 25 years in coaching before landing on Briles' staff at Baylor in 2008 as wide receivers coach.

"I'm a little bit older than Coach Montgomery so I've got some other people in me," Babers said.

The 54-year-old Babers cites the late Homer Smith, a longtime UCLA and Alabama offensive coordinator, former Hawaii coach June Jones and former NFL coach Mike Martz as influences."

Fuente is a TCU disciple. Here's an article on Fuente at Memphis - How Justin Fuente turned an underdog among underdogs into the Memphis that beat Ole Miss - SBNation.com

And another - Cripes! Get back to fundamentals...: Justin Fuente: TCU Offense Key Concepts


Basically, a combination of a future NFL QB making all the throws, and an offensive philosophy that is designed to be a "zone-buster" and create holes in the defense.

[max]

I'm fine with any of these QBs.

One thing I've learned is I don't know squat about who is gonna be a sustainable QB and who is gonna be a bust.

All I know is Snead better get this right or his career as a GM in LA is over.

If he goes QB in the first? Or this draft altogether?

This draft specifically because they set themselves up to target their QB of the future. They are gonna take one. And it's their decision who to take and where to take him.

If they get it wrong they're gone.

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delete...I accidentally double posted.

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And, by tailoring the offense to his strengths, and I argue he has them; deep ball accuracy, shot gun fast pass game, ability to throw every outside screen there is, roll-out/half-field read ability, and yes, some option ability..... you would be eliminating the most difficult aspects, like multiple read route progressions and attacking down field inside the numbers. It would be a limited passing game. and I would have no problem starting there with him at all. We had the WORST passing game in the NFL last season. Can't see this as being any worse than that.

But, at this time I do agree that Keenum is our best play to start the season. And that would be the same if Wentz of Lynch were drafted most likely. Perhaps Goff or even Cook might be able to start sooner.

Well...I know what you meant. But, if you field a qb with a limited gameplan, he's just easier to defend.

Almost everyone I read on Lynch says he's a year away. Which, again, is not a complaint. To me, that's no reason to not take him.

People have mentioned Flacco and Roethlisberger. From what I gather, what Lynch ran in college puts him behind even them when they came out. Again, that's just what I gather reading around.

I do agree about Keenum starting the season.