[Bartman31]

I'll embrace anyone who actually supports this team.

This is where I'm at. There is still a lot of negativity from the Loo crowd but once the,season gets underway I'll have no time or tolerance for their current attitude.

i'm with you

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negativity from the Loo crowd

Overgeneralizations like that? There's no point in it. It sends a mixed message. "All fans are welcome [positive message] even those St. Louis fans who need to get over it" [barbed attack]. And of course as I said I've known scads of St.L fans over the years and the ones I know are not getting in digs at LA fans just because some LA fans troll and flame some St.Louis fans.

As I keep saying I have known countless St.Louis posters. The idea that they are a "they" (all the same) and all negative? It's not true and there's no point in pretending it is...a lot of us just plain know better.

It would be as if someone came to this thread, read it, and then posted somewhere else that the LA fans are always whining and bitching about St. Louis fans.

If I saw a post that said that, I would have the same response---don't overgeneralize like that, I know lots of LA fans who have no grief with St.L fans, don't overgeneralize, there's no point in it.

On the other hand, I also echo the posts here that actually do welcome all fans...and do so without adding any qualifications. Welcome all. Period.

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[Pancake]

I do feel really sorry for the St.Louis fans who stick with the Rams. Unless they have Sunday Ticket they will have to now live in the dark seedy world of pirated NFL stream sites. Where you watch a 3" screen that stutters the whole game and your afraid to sneeze or you will accidentally click on something that installs a virus. But they will be so desperate to watch they will be their every week. Even after they minimize their screen to reveal a giant porn add just as wifey walks by.

[OldSchool]

negativity from the Loo crowd

Overgeneralizations like that? There's no point in it. It sends a mixed message. "All fans are welcome [positive message] even those St. Louis fans who need to get over it" [barbed attack]. And of course as I said I've known scads of St.L fans over the years and the ones I know are not getting in digs at LA fans just because some LA fans troll and flame some St.Louis fans.

As I keep saying I have known countless St.Louis posters. The idea that they are a "they" (all the same) and all negative? It's not true and there's no point in pretending it is...a lot of us just plain know better.

It would be as if someone came to this thread, read it, and then posted somewhere else that the LA fans are always whining and bitching about St. Louis fans.

If I saw a post that said that, I would have the same response---don't overgeneralize like that, I know lots of LA fans who have no grief with St.L fans, don't overgeneralize, there's no point in it.

On the other hand, I also echo the posts here that actually do welcome all fans...and do so without adding any qualifications. Welcome all. Period.

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I did not say or imply every one of "they" but thank you for insinuating that I did. We do not post on all the same boards as this is the only one I see that user name so please don't make assumptions like you just did about me.

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negativity from the Loo crowd

Overgeneralizations like that? There's no point in it. It sends a mixed message. "All fans are welcome [positive message] even those St. Louis fans who need to get over it" [barbed attack]. And of course as I said I've known scads of St.L fans over the years and the ones I know are not getting in digs at LA fans just because some LA fans troll and flame some St.Louis fans.

As I keep saying I have known countless St.Louis posters. The idea that they are a "they" (all the same) and all negative? It's not true and there's no point in pretending it is...a lot of us just plain know better.

It would be as if someone came to this thread, read it, and then posted somewhere else that the LA fans are always whining and bitching about St. Louis fans.

If I saw a post that said that, I would have the same response---don't overgeneralize like that, I know lots of LA fans who have no grief with St.L fans, don't overgeneralize, there's no point in it.

On the other hand, I also echo the posts here that actually do welcome all fans...and do so without adding any qualifications. Welcome all. Period.

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I did not say or imply every one of "they" but thank you for insinuating that I did. We do not post on all the same boards as this is the only one I see that user name so please don't make assumptions like you just did about me.

Okay. This is a tough issue so not being antagonistic. But...just looking at it objectively, saying the "Loo crowd" is pretty ambiguous as a statement. You may not have meant to blanket all St.L fans but your statement did, or sure looks like it. There's no qualifiers. So it would be as if I said "LA fans like to taunt St.L fans" when what I meant was, "some of the LA fans on the PD board like to taunt St.L fans, or that is any of the St.L fans who like board wars and will respond to taunts."

I read all the boards regularly and have for years so yes I can speak with pretty good familiarity about all of them.

The boards where I post most outside of here, and not counting the PD board, the "Loo crowd" in each group has been nothing but classy to LA fans, and vice versa. That's going back years and years and there's lots of them (except ClanRam).

The question is, do we want St.L fans posting here? Are they really welcome--without qualification? Will they post here if they constantly see digs at St. L fans? Or, demands that they must have "moved on" to be accepted, and all that? If it were you, would you? If it were me, I am not sure I would. '

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[Elvis]

It may be ambiguous to say "negativity from the loo crowd," but he certainly didn't say everyone from the loo is negative so it doesn't make a lot of sense to presume that's what he meant...

[Elvis]

I do feel really sorry for the St.Louis fans who stick with the Rams. Unless they have Sunday Ticket they will have to now live in the dark seedy world of pirated NFL stream sites. Where you watch a 3" screen that stutters the whole game and your afraid to sneeze or you will accidentally click on something that installs a virus. But they will be so desperate to watch they will be their every week. Even after they minimize their screen to reveal a giant porn add just as wifey walks by.

Nice. We do do live in amazing times...

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It may be ambiguous to say "negativity from the loo crowd," but he certainly didn't say everyone from the loo is negative so it doesn't make a lot of sense to presume that's what he meant...

The poster did explain that he did not mean all, but my point was---grammar/phrasing. As a phrase "the loo crowd" is a way of designating everyone from St. Louis. That's whether that's the intended meaning or not. So if I said "canadians are evil" you have no way of determining I only mean "some" unless I directly say so. It has to be added.

The way to NOT court misreading is to add qualifiers. Like "those Loo fans who are still [choose negative characterization]." That way it is directly stated that a sub-group is meant, not the entire group.

And even then you have to wonder why people both say they want to be inclusive but then keep referring to all the fights they had with some St.L fans...I mean, what's the point of that? In terms of how a board comes across, doing that can end up alienating many St.L fans who wonder why it keeps getting mentioned.

I humbly suggest that if people want to be inclusive they don't qualify it in any way shape or form. Let the past go, move on, be inclusive.

Though again while I did see some board wars on some sites between some LA fans and some St.L fans, my own experience was that there were also boards where that never happened at all, not even in the slightest, and where you lived was never an issue at all.

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[RamsFanSince82]

Screw STL and everyone that lives there.

[Elvis]

It may be ambiguous to say "negativity from the loo crowd," but he certainly didn't say everyone from the loo is negative so it doesn't make a lot of sense to presume that's what he meant...

The poster did explain that he did not mean all, but my point was---grammar/phrasing. As a phrase "the loo crowd" is a way of designating everyone from St. Louis. That's whether that's the intended meaning or not. So if I said "canadians are evil" you have no way of determining I only mean "some" unless I directly say so. It has to be added.

The way to NOT court misreading is to add qualifiers. Like "those Loo fans who are still [choose negative characterization]." That way it is directly stated that a sub-group is meant, not the entire group.

And even then you have to wonder why people both say they want to be inclusive but then keep referring to all the fights they had with some St.L fans...I mean, what's the point of that? In terms of how a board comes across, doing that can end up alienating many St.L fans who wonder why it keeps getting mentioned.

I humbly suggest that if people want to be inclusive they don't qualify it in any way shape or form. Let the past go, move on, be inclusive.

Though again while I did see some board wars on some sites between some LA fans and some St.L fans, my own experience was that there were also boards where that never happened at all, not even in the slightest, and where you lived was never an issue at all.

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Most of us have been together here for the better part of a year and have been following relocation pretty intently.

So, if we sometimes talk in short hand, most of us know where we're coming from.

And no doubt there is some animosity and hard feeling towards St. louis from L.A. fans just as there's some coming from St. Louis towards L.A.

I"m not sure when i'll completely lose interest in what some of the St. Louis folks who were loud, wrong, and sometimes outright trolling have to say. I'm not quite there yet.

But it's done. The fan base will realign.

It will be interesting to see if, over time, a Rams community in exile develops in St. Louis like it did in L.A. ...