[fletch59]

That's great, cause Luck ain't playing!

[dieterbrock]

[dieterbrock]

That's great, cause Luck ain't playing!

That was the joke...
Looks like I'm off my game today, nobody is understanding my posts. Haha

*Your cue to respond, what do you mean? Haha

[BuiltRamTough]

Chuckles Pagano is the ex head coach of the Colts.

[PARAM]

Perhaps I just missed it, but I have yet to read exactly what it is Donald is demanding in dollar terms and what the Rams are willing to pay.

Okay, The Rams should pay him more. But how much more and do they have it to pay?

Exactly. Most people bring up Suh, Fletcher Cox or Marcel Darius.

"He's better than them (or at least as good as and it's now a year or two or three since they signed) so he should get more than them".

Why? What if they are overpaid....or more to the point.....over valued? WTF have their teams done with those guys making that money? Can't blame them for the team record? Okay, WTF have their defenses done? Can't blame them for surrounding cast? Okay, so then what? Why own a Lamborghini if you live in the Yukon?

I'm all for giving Aaron Donald a huge freaking raise. Am I for Aaron Donald being paid 100 million with 60-70 million guaranteed? I don't know about that. I'd love the fact Donald is the best, most disruptive DT in the NFL and he's a Ram. But I wouldn't like it if we had to cut other good players or other good players left in free agency because we couldn't fit them into our cap structure. Let's face it, if Goff is the real deal and develops into a legit franchise QB, what are we going to have to pay him?

Great if we have Aaron Donald on D and Jared "Legit Franchise QB" Goff on O but will we be able to surround them with complimentary players to maximize their talents? I guess we'll cross that bridge when we get there.

[HopHead Ram]

Question, Who would you rather have. A fully realized Sammy Watkins or an Aaron Donald? Which one leads to more overall success? I am a defensive guy at heart having played on that side of the ball my entire playing career but I also realize that the modern NFL is an offensive game and impact players on Offense will always trump impact players on Defense. I want them to pay AD but just not to a point that becomes detrimental to the team. As the saying goes " I root for the name on the front, not the name on the back"

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Question, Who would you rather have. A fully realized Sammy Watkins or an Aaron Donald? Which one leads to more overall success? I am a defensive guy at heart having played on that side of the ball my entire playing career but I also realize that the modern NFL is an offensive game and impact players on Offense will always trump impact players on Defense. I want them to pay AD but just not to a point that becomes detrimental to the team. As the saying goes " I root for the name on the front, not the name on the back"

I want both and it;s a false choice.

You keep an elite DT because they're rare and invaluable. You keep Watkins because of all the many top WRs there are, he's the one you have so keep him.

There's no universe where choosing between them makes sense.

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Why? What if they are overpaid....or more to the point.....over valued? WTF have their teams done with those guys making that money?

According to that logic only winning teams can offer elite players fair market contracts .

As I said, Merlin Olsen was on losing teams for the first 4 years of his career. Does that mean he wasn;t an elite DT and didn't deserve to be paid a fair market price? That he didn't earn or deserve what the market said is the price for that kind of player?

2 years ago Suh---who I do NOT regard as elite (though very good)---got 19 M, and contracts go up.

He got 19 M from Miami in spite of the Lions only twice having a winning season the 5 years he was there. That's because people can judge the value of an individual player in spite of the team record.

Which is why Olsen went to 3 pro bowls his first 3 years, in spite of them being Rams losing seasons, just as Greene went to 3 pro bowls his first 3 seasons, in spite of all 3 of those seasons being losing ones for the team.

I think I mentioned that Donald is the only other DT ever who went to the pro bowl in all 3 of his first 3 seasons.

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[BobCarl]

modern NFL is an offensive game

I agree 100% ... that is why I want a guy on my defense that can get the ball back for our offense

[BobCarl]

That was the joke... nobody is understanding my posts.

I always understand your posts ... but I'm a little slow ... so may God forgive me if I'm in Church Sunday morning and bust out laughing.