[PARAM]

ha ha, this is too much, goff has 2 bad turnover games which account for 50% of his turnovers on the year, 2 games that push him to near the top of the league in qb turnovers, and he has a turnover prob...

I'm honestly dumbfounded by this being any kind of controversial take with Jared Goff, 5 years into his career.

It's not controversial. Drew Brees averaged 19 turnovers a year from year 4 through year 9. With highs of 22 in 07 (6th year) and 24 in 2010 (9th year). He had 3 games with 3 turnovers (or more) each year from year 5 to year 8. He turned out okay.

[PARAM]

Great.. and the year he won the Super Bowl he threw 11 ints... and 34 TDs!!
So... we should just write off this year, using your yardstick.. because Jared's throwing more than one more int this year... and he's not getting anywhere near 34TDs.

Dang.. Season's over!

If you want to, write it off. I'm simply saying you're all verklempt because it's his 5th year and he's got 14 turnovers. Brees had 22 in year 6 (7-9) and 24 in year 9 (11-5*) and he's a HOFer. Guys have bad games. Guys have bad years. And sometimes they even make the *playoffs anyway. Now if you expect a Superbowl Championship every other year, you should have been a New England fan. Because the rest of the NFL franchises don't usually win twice in 10 years.

[PARAM]

If you'd take the time to read my posts and consider them, rather than rushing to respond, you'd see that it's more than just the raw numbers of turnovers that concern me.

You're projecting all sorts of values on me to make sense of my opinion.. and it's just bullshit, quite frankly.

Okay dick. I'm not projecting anything on you. You're blowing shit all out of proportion. His turnovers are bizarre and unforced. Depends on your definition there. The Miami game when he got absolutely clocked and fumbled, that was bizarre? Unforced? The game Sunday when the DE picked him off, he got clocked on his ride side. Bizarre? Unforced? No you're projecting the number....*14*....and calling most of them bizarre and unforced. And that's just not true. It may be your perception of the truth.

[Hacksaw]

The worst part is it was against the 49ers.

[aeneas1]

Yes, he has a turnover problem.

And.. your point, to me, makes his turnover issues worse, not better.
turn the ball over 1.5 times a game, every game... you have 24 turnovers on the season.. and.. how much real impact?

in order to average 1.5 turnovers a game, "every game", you have to mix in a lot of 2 turnover games (because, of course, there's no such thing as a 1.5 turnover game) - so let's say 8 two turnover games and 8 one turnover games, that gets us to your 24 on the year - dating back to 2010 teams own a cumulative 500-759-4 (.397) record when turning the ball over twice in a game - so that's half a season's worth of games with a 39.7% chance of winning.

have a few bad turnover games, let's say 3 four turnover games, and then 12 one turnover games and one 0 turnover game, that gets us to your 24 on the year too - dating back to 2010 teams own a cumulative 980-781-7 (.556) record when turning the ball over only once in a game, and a 1045-325-6 (.762) record when not turning it over, so that's 13 games with a better than 56% chance of winning.

i know which math i like better.

[AvengerRam]

Goff has 14 turnovers this year. 10 were concentrated in 3 bad games. In the other 8, he's averaging .5 turnovers/game.

Same deal last year. Goff had 21 turnovers. 15 were concentrated in 5 games. In the other 11, he had only 6 (.55/game).

The fact that his turnovers are more sporadic, rather than a consistent, game-to-game issue is the reason why the Rams are 16-11 with Goff at the helm in the last two years, rather than the South side of .500.

[bremillard]

It's not controversial. Drew Brees averaged 19 turnovers a year from year 4 through year 9. With highs of 22 in 07 (6th year) and 24 in 2010 (9th year). He had 3 games with 3 turnovers (or more) each year from year 5 to year 8. He turned out okay.

And how many game winning drives has Brees accounted for? You know how many Goff has had in 5 years? 8. That puts him near the bottom of that list all time. You should see who's ahead of him and, to me, that's the biggest JG issue. When is he going to start leading the team back from the hole he himself dug?

[AvengerRam]

And how many game winning drives has Brees accounted for? You know how many Goff has had in 5 years? 8. That puts him near the bottom of that list all time. You should see who's ahead of him and, to me, that's the biggest JG issue. When is he going to start leading the team back from the hole he himself dug?

Let's see...

Jared Goff is second in wins among QBs since 2017, but does not have a large number of game winning drives...

What could that possibly mean...

Why... its almost like the Rams frequently had a lead towards the end of games and didn't need to win on a final drive.

[max]

Is there a pattern here? I don't know, but here's what I see. These are Goffs last 43 games going back to the start of 2018...

Game 11 was against KC in 2018. Game 12 was Detroit. The turnovers were a problem at that point. The turnovers continued to be an issue into the last half of 2019. Then in late 2019 and into the start of 2020 the turnovers looked to be much better. Then the Miami game happened and the turnovers are a problem again.

[Hacksaw]

Good to see you max. It's been a while.
Interesting graph. So he went 14 regular season games w/o a fumble until Miami this year but had a 15 game stretch fumbling prior to that. I'm hoping that trend changes or were in for another 9 or 10 games of frustration.
3 and 4 pick games shouldn't happen either.