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@danorlovsky7: The last 6 years of Stafford’s career his team avg 89 yards rushing per game. Last year the @RamsNFL avg 126 ypg. He’s had a 100 yard back in a game 11 times in 12 yes. The Rams did that 5X LY.

Stafford has had a top 10 defense 1 time in 12 season. He went 11-5 that year

[moklerman]

Well 41 million gtd over 2 years for a top 15? QB is an overpay it appears. Believe there is more to this.

I was banned from that site the day i began chemo. Was having a bad day, very unforgiving mods.

But that's the problem. It isn't $41M for a top 15 QB. Goff hasn't been a top 20 QB for the last 2+ years.

That's what isn't being stated in all of this. McVay didn't just get pissed at Goff because of the playoff loss, even a few games this year. This goes all the way back to before the SB. Goff has struggled to mature as a QB and his production has been bottom of the league bad over the past 41 games.

[moklerman]

@danorlovsky7: The last 6 years of Stafford’s career his team avg 89 yards rushing per game. Last year the @RamsNFL avg 126 ypg. He’s had a 100 yard back in a game 11 times in 12 yes. The Rams did that 5X LY.

Stafford has had a top 10 defense 1 time in 12 season. He went 11-5 that year

I think the "doing more with less" narrative will become very clear next year. I don't think people realize just how much of a sliding scale you have to look at Stafford's numbers with Detroit.

Less than one 100 yard rusher each year for 12 years. That's amazing.

[pmill66]

But that's the problem. It isn't $41M for a top 15 QB. Goff hasn't been a top 20 QB for the last 2+ years.

That's what isn't being stated in all of this. McVay didn't just get pissed at Goff because of the playoff loss, even a few games this year. This goes all the way back to before the SB. Goff has struggled to mature as a QB and his production has been bottom of the league bad over the past 41 games.

Do not disagree on your take, its just surprising to me that a team would not be willing to give up a draft pick to take a chance on a 26 yr old QB that did have success in the past. And he was under contract, teams have spent wildly in free agency on QB's in the past.

[RedAlice]

Well 41 million gtd over 2 years for a top 15? QB is an overpay it appears. Believe there is more to this.

I was banned from that site the day i began chemo. Was having a bad day, very unforgiving mods.

Awwww. <3

So as not to delve into more comparisons, I’ll just leave it at we have the best admins running this site.

[RedAlice]

@danorlovsky7: The last 6 years of Stafford’s career his team avg 89 yards rushing per game. Last year the @RamsNFL avg 126 ypg. He’s had a 100 yard back in a game 11 times in 12 yes. The Rams did that 5X LY.

Stafford has had a top 10 defense 1 time in 12 season. He went 11-5 that year

Nice. The Lions have sucked. A lot. And Stafford has had 12 years of playing in that and still looks pretty good.

Looking forward to seeing what Stafford can do on this team.

[moklerman]

Do not disagree on your take, its just surprising to me that a team would not be willing to give up a draft pick to take a chance on a 26 yr old QB that did have success in the past. And he was under contract, teams have spent wildly in free agency on QB's in the past.

I don't think we'll ever know if any other team was interested in Goff but it has long been the argument that the brief run of success was due more to McVay than to Goff. Goff has now underperformed for Fisher and McVay has given up on him.

The Lions GM, our former guy, is doing us a favor. The Lions could have taken other offers for Stafford and not been saddled with Goff's contract. This is straight up a bad team taking on a salary dump in exchange for draft capitol but with personal connections, we were able to benefit from it. I read somewhere that Washington was offering more for Stafford so IMO, the personal relationships were a big part of this.

Not to mention Holmes was supposedly a big proponent of the Rams drafting Goff so this may be a personal thing for him in that way too.

[PARAM]

Well, I trust that McVay has studied Stafford enough for it to be more than just hope that is driving this move, don't you?

Studied? Maybe that's what's been wrong with the Rams offense? Instead of investing his time in designing a good offense, he's spent time "studying" Stafford? It's got to be a conflict....ego's? or someone's ego. If hope doesn't have a lot to do with it, it might be arrogance. Or maybe it's the perfect move and we're hoisting the Lombardi in 4 of the next 6 years!!!

FWIW, I've always liked Stafford. His toughness. His talent. Now he'll get the chance to display that in a first rate NFL offense, held back by poor quarterback play.

[aeneas1]

The last 6 years of Stafford’s career his team avg 89 yards rushing per game.

that's what happens when your team trails heading into the 4th quarter so often.

He’s had a 100 yard back in a game 11 times in 12 yes.

weird stat... the lions rushed for over 100 yards in a game 76 times since stafford has been in detroit, what does it matter if it's 2 backs instead of 1 that gets the 100+ yards?

Stafford has had a top 10 defense 1 time in 12 season. He went 11-5 that year

yep, 2014, the lions ranked 2nd in offensive points allowed, the only year they ranked in the top 10 with stafford under center - stafford led the lions to 20th in offensive scoring that year, and led the lions to 20 offensive points in their 1-and-out wildcard game against the cowboys... in fact the lions went 1-5 against winning teams that year, and scored an average 12 offensive points per game in those outings.

the lions defense also ranked 14th in offensive points allowed in 2018, while the offense ranked 24th in scoring, and the lions won 6 games.

[aeneas1]

But I specifically showed all 4 years under McVay, Goff had better protection overall than Stafford has had.

you pointed to sack rate as the barometer for good or bad protection, which it isn't... goff had lousy protection this year, his olinemen graded poorly in pass pro by pff, the only reason he wasn't sacked a lot, the only reason he had a low sack rate, is because the rams threw short, got rid of the ball quickly, not because he had better protection... in 17/18 the rams also did a lot to mask their average at best pass pro, lots of play-action, lots of moving the pocket, lots of misdirection... but once defenses wised up to this it was no longer successful.