[Hacksaw]

In that famous word of Homer..... DOH!

[moklerman]

Just so we are all on the same page, after looking at this clip someone can actually say that this isn't a facemask?

Seriously?

I know you won't accept my view but to me, it looks like he hits the facemask open palm, causing the head movement and he never grasps and controls it, his hand slides across the facemask, across Goff's hand and right on by. His head definitely moves but the way the defender moves there isn't any re-direction of his body or arm, is there? That's what make me think there was never any grasp and control of the facemask and possibly why it wasn't deemed the current definition of a facemask penalty.

Maybe the ref just missed it, maybe he deemed it incidental. I don't know but my point was that it was far less blatant than the non-call. I still believe that. The defender may have wanted to grab the facemask for all I know but it looks like he flies right on by without ever having a full grab on it.

[aeneas1]

Just so we are all on the same page, after looking at this clip someone can actually say that this isn't a facemask? Seriously?

nothing more than an open hand inadvertently coming into contact, ever so lightly, with goff's facemask, and clearly no evidence that goff reacted to it.

[PARAM]

I know you won't accept my view but to me, it looks like he hits the facemask open palm, causing the head movement and he never grasps and controls it

Then you need glasses!! You can see his index finger wrap around the facemask. It's clear. He does hit it with open palm right before he grasps it. And I think you know DB won't accept your view because you see the same thing we do....and if you don't, then like I said, schedule an eye exam. JMHO

On second view, stopping the video and watching the progress of his hand, it's clear the index finger AND thumb clamp down on the facemask. My god it obvious. First and goal at the 1!!!!!!

[moklerman]

Then you need glasses!! You can see his index finger wrap around the facemask. It's clear. He does hit it with open palm right before he grasps it. And I think you know DB won't accept your view because you see the same thing we do....and if you don't, then like I said, schedule an eye exam. JMHO

That isn't all I said. If the open palm is what causes the head movement and the defenders arm and momentum never alter, then I'm not convinced that he had an actual grasp of the facemask.

And, just in case anyone missed it or forgot, I WANTED that call for the Rams. Settling for a FG in that situation was the difference between winning and losing at that point IMO.

[PARAM]

That isn't all I said. If the open palm is what causes the head movement and the defenders arm and momentum never alter, then I'm not convinced that he had an actual grasp of the facemask.

And, just in case anyone missed it or forgot, I WANTED that call for the Rams. Settling for a FG in that situation was the difference between winning and losing at that point IMO.

What you wanted is irrelevant. What you see (or in this case, don't see) is the issue. The guy's finger wraps around the facemask bar as does his thumb. Clearly a facemask penalty whether he "wanted" to let go or not. And it's also not about physics and arms and momentum and convincing. Either you see what happened or you don't. Every talking head who's brought it up has said it should have been a facemask penalty. And they're right despite their lack of reliance on physics.

[AvengerRam]

He also saw no facemask penalty.

[Hacksaw]

Defenders open hand.

Defenders open hand beginning to wrap around the mask. Goff's helmet pushing downward and beginning to turn.

Defenders hand now grabbing with index finger clearly inside and hooking on a vertical bar of the mask.

Defender still has the mask as he goes by. Goffs head now turned.

This was by no means the worst face mask infraction I've ever seen but it very easily should have been called and would have totally changed the complexion of the game.

[St. Loser Fan]

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Haydel's Bakery employee Tonya Kutz frosts cookies featuring head referee Bill Vinovitch in response to the non-call that cost the Saints the NFC Championship. Photographed on Monday, January 21, 2019. (Photo by Michael DeMocker, NOLA.com | The Times-Picayune) (Photo by Michael DeMocker, NOLA.com | The Times-Picayune)

[Elvis]