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a) you missed that elvis posted this over 4 hours ago.
b) you saw the post but wanted to give it it's own thread because you believe it offers some sort of vindication.
c) a and b
d) i'm max and that's what i do.
e) all of the above.

in other news:

sando's 55 unnamed and executives have finally agreed that wilson is a top tier nfl qb, he is listed as top tier for the first time, albeit the last of the top tier qbs!

I didn’t see it. What thread was it in?

Vindication? More like credibility. But you’re right, I would pay to see you in a room with some of these coaches while you explain to them why Goff is elite.

[R4L]

Yet another Goff is not elite thread. Just what we need

[aeneas1]

I didn’t see it. What thread was it in?

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Vindication? More like credibility.

so to be clear, you find a list credible that ranks big ben top tier but not wilson, which was the case with this list last season? do i have that right?

also, when you look at sando's list and see qbs with 0 top tier votes, what's the deal here, are we to assume that a coach or exec from that qb's team didn't vote? or are we to assume that they did vote but just didn't consider their qb to be top tier? the vikes for example, cousins received 0 top tier votes, so did no one from the vikes vote? or did they vote and rank the guy they just paid a bunch of money to second tier? enquiring minds want to know!

[snackdaddy]

Ok, Goff isn't elite yet. But he has proven he can win games. I have no problem with him being our future at the position. Guys who think he should not be aren't paying attention. Where are you going to find a better quarterback that is available? In college? On someone's sideline?

They're not gonna give up on a kid who's has won 24 games over two seasons and been in the top 5 of most passing categories. A kid who hasn't reached his ceiling. One they gave up a king's ransom for. That would be a job killer. You gotta get real. Ain't gonna happen. Whether you want it to or not.

Goff is fully capable of winning championships. Who knows? This year might be the one.

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Ok, Goff isn't elite yet. But he has proven he can win games. I have no problem with him being our future at the position. Guys who think he should not be aren't paying attention. Where are you going to find a better quarterback that is available? In college? On someone's sideline?

They're not gonna give up on a kid who's has won 24 games over two seasons and been in the top 5 of most passing categories. A kid who hasn't reached his ceiling. One they gave up a king's ransom for. That would be a job killer. You gotta get real. Ain't gonna happen. Whether you want it to or not.

Goff is fully capable of winning championships. Who knows? This year might be the one.

IMO? Those things (in red) aren't even issues. No one IS talkiing about giving up on him, or saying he can't develop, and so on.

It would be very rare for a 3rd year qb TO BE considered tier one.

Goff = a talented 3rd year qb going into his 4th year is developing into a tier one qb. It's not a matter of extremes. It's not a matter of either (1) he's elite now OR (2) you give up on him.

And no one is saying #2 anyway.

I agree with all the rest...Goff has a lot going for him and has always improved throughout his career.

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yeah, that wilson has been pretty borderline over the years, ha ha, guess it's time to finally squeeze him into the last tier 1 spot, good friggin' grief.

anyway, below i've summarized sando's tier rankings, and added the number of years each guy has been in the league and how many nfl starts he has under his belt - i also highlighted the guys that have been in the league 3 years or less.

so according to sando, 55 (unnamed of course) nfl coaches and executives weighed in to produce these results that have 11 guys coming in ahead of goff - yet looking at those 11 guys i sure don't see many that i would rather have leading the rams over the next few seasons, guess i'm just a home, eh?

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Of course you’re a homer.

Just ask a fan(homer type) of any team that has one of those 11 QBs listed ahead of Goff. Almost everyone of them thinks their QB is ranked too low. And certainly very few if any of them would rather have Goff.

[moklerman]

Except if that's what you thought you just read in Sando's article, it's not what that article says.

"perceptions of Goff around the league" are just not as bad as you seem to think they are.

First off tier 2 is not bad at this stage of his development (ie. 3rd year qb).

And here's the positive stuff you missed in your rush to agree with your own view:



"Not quite there" means he's young and is developing. It does not mean that he has heavy bad perceptions to overcome. You might think so, but this article does not back you on that.

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It's exactly what I said. You're the one adding "heavy bad perception" that I did not say.

I also never said that 2nd tier was a bad thing. You're either misreading or misrepresenting what I said. But the fact of the matter is, the league perceives Goff to be a 2nd tier QB, not an elite QB, which was the whole point of this thread and supports what the author of that other article stated.

I, like others, have plainly stated that Goff needs to improve in a couple of areas before he can be called elite. I don't know why you're twisting that into claiming I said the league thought badly about him or that he is doing badly at this stage of his career.

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so to be clear, you find a list credible that ranks big ben top tier but not wilson, which was the case with this list last season? do i have that right?

also, when you look at sando's list and see qbs with 0 top tier votes, what's the deal here, are we to assume that a coach or exec from that qb's team didn't vote? or are we to assume that they did vote but just didn't consider their qb to be top tier? the vikes for example, cousins received 0 top tier votes, so did no one from the vikes vote? or did they vote and rank the guy they just paid a bunch of money to second tier? enquiring minds want to know!

Roethlisberger is a clear HOF QB. He had been top tier for years. So I can see why coaches still see him as such. I can also see why they weren’t as high on Wilson who had a great defense for years. That pick in the SB hurt him. My guess is that he got a lot of tier one votes last year, just not enough. Still, it’s not that big of a deal. A bigger deal is ranking Stafford over Goff. I don’t see that.

And are you implying that Sando is making this list up? Are you saying he’s lying about the 55 guys? Interesting.

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IMO? Those things (in red) aren't even issues. No one IS talkiing about giving up on him, or saying he can't develop, and so on.

It would be very rare for a 3rd year qb TO BE considered tier one.

Goff = a talented 3rd year qb going into his 4th year is developing into a tier one qb. It's not a matter of extremes. It's not a matter of either (1) he's elite now OR (2) you give up on him.

And no one is saying #2 anyway.

I agree with all the rest...Goff has a lot going for him and has always improved throughout his career.

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Yeah, kind of crazy...

Writer: Goff is currently tier 2 with plenty of upside and a promising future.

Rams fan: What do you mean Goff sucks!

An all too frequent reaction

[moklerman]

I’m waiting for someone to explain how these 55 pro coaches don’t know what they’re talking about. Certainly, they must be idiots if the don’t have Goff ranked at the top.

Well, at least you didn't have to wait long.