[Will0120]

Its a fair comment/criticism on me, I have been pretty brutal
But I don't think it had been unjust.
We think our D played like crap because we lost. But we played against Matt Stafford and that talented O
Had we won, I cant imagine what it would feel like to have gotten shredded but Case Freakin Keenum!!
Actually I do, when Blaine Gabbert did it 2 games in a row....

Nah, it wasn't really meant as a criticism. Just pointing out something that I haven't seen from you before, that's all

With that being said, I think this is absolutely the ceiling of Case. He can have a great game but only to take away from it due to a couple dumb mistakes. This is Case at his absolute best.

Feel free to prove me wrong anytime Case.

[Rams the Legends live on]

I have to admit Case is growing on me. What makes him do so is the size of his heart. He has a few things against him from the traditional aspect of attributes that are said you need to have in a QB to have a top tier starting QB.

However his heart and desire to play hard and win is on display week after week. If anything I find his real weakness is the aspect of his coaching staff. Failing week after week to get their star running back to dominance so the guy with so much heart can be placed in a better position to win. Right now the coaches are asking a guy who is limited in abilities and physical attributes and giving him no back up in the process.

So is getting really harder for me to see Case as the problem when his heart is so big and he leaves it all out on the field. When his coaching staff fails to even match the size of his heart.

So I don't find Case is failing us as much as his coaching staff is failing him. Dude has heart and no matter what happens at the end of this year or where he ends up or where on a depth chart. Case is really making me a fan of him personally cause he has heart and is hard to pull against a guy like that.

[HAL 9000]

Even with the pick, I don't blame Keenum one bit. He played his ASS off. Britt was inches away from having Keenum's 4th TD pass before the half, instead Gurley doesn't follow his blockers and gets stuffed. And we all know that probably wins the game. Keenum was constantly making play after play, making the right reads and at one point, fighting for his own loose ball.

Nope, can't blame Keenum one bit. The blame is squarely on the D. They could not make one stop to save their lives. Very frustrating.

[Hacksaw]

We aren't that far off. I am optimistic for the future.

[majik]

Can he ever lead a game winning/tying drive in the final two minutes? Last week he had over 3 minutes and all timeouts. What does he do with it? 3 and out. Not even a threat of a first down.

Yesterday it was a little tougher. But he only had to go 35-40 yards to get in Greg the Leg's range. What does he do? A pick. Not even a first down to get our hopes up. Just throw the pick and remove any suspense.

That is what you get with Case Keenum. You better be holding a lead in the final minutes or you can just pack it up, throw in the towel, whatever. Keenum is not that kind of quarterback.

I know Fisher will point out how well he played up to that point. But if you have a guy who cannot perform in those situations, what good does the first 58 minutes do? You'll always be that 7-9 bullshit team.

Bingo.

Keenum probably had his best game as a Ram against probably one of the worst passing defenses in the NFL and still couldn't get it done in the 4th Quarter.

We are wasting time this season developing the next Brian Hoyer who might get lucky and lead a team with talent elsewhere to a first round one and done playoff appearance.

This season should be about developing Goff and if we make the playoffs great but that is icing on the cake. We are going nowhere we want to be with Keenum while wasting valuable time to get Goff through the growing pains he will undoubtedly go through. We are instead going through the growing pains of a journryman backup while hurting next season while Goff rides the bench.

[aeneas1]

case has had great games before, most perennial backups have, that's never been the prob with case or any other backup, i.e. they'll only play poorly every outing... the prob is there are 16 games in a season and sample size usually has a way of rearing its ugly head as games play out, heck in the 2 games preceding yesterday's outing case led the rams to 17 and 19 offensive points, hard to believe all is well now, problems solved. then again this describes the rams under fish, not enough good games over the course of a season to amount to much.

[moklerman]

case has had great games before, most perennial backups have, that's never been the prob with case or any other backup, i.e. they'll only play poorly every outing... the prob is there are 16 games in a season and sample size usually has a way of rearing its ugly head as games play out, heck in the 2 games preceding yesterday's outing case led the rams to 17 and 19 offensive points, hard to believe all is well now, problems solved. then again this describes the rams under fish, not enough good games over the course of a season to amount to much.

Wait, you're telling me the Rams didn't make a mistake in letting Kellen Clemens go after he led the Rams to 80 points in back-to-back wins? Jeez, I thought that was what's been wrong with this team.

[snackdaddy]

case has had great games before, most perennial backups have, that's never been the prob with case or any other backup, i.e. they'll only play poorly every outing... the prob is there are 16 games in a season and sample size usually has a way of rearing its ugly head as games play out, heck in the 2 games preceding yesterday's outing case led the rams to 17 and 19 offensive points, hard to believe all is well now, problems solved. then again this describes the rams under fish, not enough good games over the course of a season to amount to much.

Yeah, people are excited for how he played yesterday. But what has he shown that makes us believe he'll do it consistently? And I think some people misread the intent of this thread. I'm not blaming Case for this loss. It was bad defense that lost this game.

What I'm saying is, some QB's can lift their team late in games. Case is not one of those QB's. A quarterback can have a good overall game but some aren't winners. They can't get it done in crunch time. It wasn't Case's fault we lost but he didn't win it either. Thats what you get with him. The team has to help him get the lead and hold it. If you need him to raise his game when it counts, it won't happen very often. But hold that lead, maintain your blocks, catch the ball and he's fine.

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What I'm saying is, some QB's can lift their team late in games. Case is not one of those QB's. A quarterback can have a good overall game but some aren't winners. They can't get it done in crunch time

Well first of all, it's clear what Keenum is. He's a #2 caliber qb and a placeholder for Goff. As it happens I think he's a good version of both those things, and IMO the best #2 caliber qb have had since I can't remember (I always stress the "caliber" part of this, because being 2nd on the depth chart at qb is not the same as being a #2 CALIBER qb whose profile adds up to being a back-up. Otherwise, Warner, Bulger, and for that matter Goff count as #2 qbs. But that's not the same as being a #2 caliber qb.)

No one I know of is saying Keenum can and should be considered a year in, year out starter.

But on whether he can be clutch? Well has been half the time. Meaning literally, in the last 4 games, the Rams were trailing late with a chance to win. Keenum came through against Tampa and Arizona but not against Buffalo and Detroit.

So actually it's 50/50.

They pulled ahead of Tampa with seconds to go in the third quarter after being behind 10-20 at one point, and the go-ahead score against Arizona was later in the 4th quarter, with about 2:20-something left on the clock.

I don't know if 50% is good enough but it's better than 0%.

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[dieterbrock]

Well first of all, it's clear what Keenum is. He's a #2 caliber qb and a placeholder for Goff. As it happens I think he's a good version of both those things, and IMO the best #2 caliber qb have had since I can't remember (I always stress the "caliber" part of this, because being 2nd on the depth chart at qb is not the same as being a #2 CALIBER qb whose profile adds up to being a back-up. Otherwise, Warner, Bulger, and for that matter Goff count as #2 qbs. But that's not the same as being a #2 caliber qb.)

No one I know of is saying Keenum can and should be considered a year in, year out starter.

But on whether he can be clutch? Well has been half the time. Meaning literally, in the last 4 games, the Rams were trailing late with a chance to win. Keenum came through against Tampa and Arizona but not against Buffalo and Detroit.

So actually it's 50/50.

They pulled ahead of Tampa with seconds to go in the third quarter after being behind 10-20 at one point, and the go-ahead score against Arizona was later in the 4th quarter, with about 2:20-something left on the clock.

I don't know if 50% is good enough but it's better than 0%.

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Solid post, and I agree with a lot of what you're saying.
The issue I see, is that Fisher (IMO) doesn't view Keenum the same. It appears to me that Fisher does believe in fact that Keenum IS a #1 QB. And where I felt we were on the verge of getting Goff some PT, a game like last week sets that back a couple more weeks.
I like Keenum a whole lot, how can you not? The kid has moxie, and Rams fans know 1st hand that a QB can come from anywhere. But Austin Davis had a couple monster games too. And the flaws in his game were apparent. But the difference is that Fisher saw his flaws, really didn't give Davis a fair shake. With Keenum, its the polar opposite.
In any event, Keenum ended up as Romo, great stats with an unfortunate end. And if we DIDNT have Goff riding pine, I think we'd all be a little more supportive of #17. But the fact is we do