[RedAlice]

I will admit that I LOVE the St. Louis spin on all right now. It's like watching Dallas back in the day or I guess for the youngins the Kardashians, except this is real.

I have zero care for St. Louis since they had zero care for me when MY Rams left LA - every spin on them being hurt makes me happy.

And the more they write, the more delusional they seem. It was always a fact, is a fact, and will always be a fact: the world does not revolve around St. Louis or the midwest. The only people who think so are the people in the midwest who have never travelled more than 20 miles outside their little world.

They are the worst part of our country because of this. They have no concept of anyone's life outside of their little midwest cocoon.

[moklerman]

I think it best to stay above the fray. Glass houses and all. The world doesn't revolve around LA either. It's true that St. Louis has no right to think they're better than anyone else but everyone else can't think that either.

I fully understand "St. Louis" being hurt right now and lashing out. I think we all felt that way in '94 so I'm not going to pile on now. Losing the Rams is worse than anything I could say or think about St. Louis.

[Hacksaw]

Still, if StL was it, everyone would have stopped there. Instead it was the formal jumping off spot for those looking for the promised land in the west,,, which just so happens to be the city of the Angels.
There are a lot of hurt feelings right now, and for guys like GooseGanders I reserve what's left of my compassion. I have to admit though, after reading RamStalk and posts by many StL members on several sites over the years, that compassion battery needs a bit of a trickle charge..

[OldSchool]

Still, if StL was it, everyone would have stopped there. Instead it was the formal jumping off spot for those looking for the promised land in the west,,, which just so happens to be the city of the Angels.
There are a lot of hurt feelings right now, and for guys like GooseGanders I reserve what's left of my compassion. I have to admit though, after reading RamStalk and posts by many StL members on several sites over the years, that compassion battery needs a bit of a trickle charge..

Agree with the way a lot of them are still carrying on my compassion is about at it's end.

[Elvis]

Lumping everyone together is a mistake, but yeah, a lot of the complaining is false and a bit insufferable.

Here's the JT article in full:

http://www.stltoday.com/sports/football ... v8.twitter

Grubman 'insulted' by Rams job rumor

by Jim Thomas

On a January day full of rumors, it was one of the juiciest of the bunch. Namely, that NFL executive Eric Grubman, the league’s point man for relocation to Los Angeles, would end up with a high-ranking position with owner Stan Kroenke’s Rams on the West Coast.

For those who suspected Grubman had been pro-Kroenke and pro-LA all along, it fit the narrative. This all took place Jan. 12 in Houston, the day league owners approved the relocation of the Rams from St. Louis to Los Angeles.

The Post-Dispatch caught up with Grubman in San Francisco following NFL Commissioner Roger Goodell’s state of the NFL news conference on Feb. 5. He strongly denied the Rams job rumor.

“It couldn’t be further from the truth,” Grubman said. “I was personally insulted by that. I don’t like that implication or insinuation. It could not be further from the truth.”

Grubman made those remarks standing in the same hotel ballroom where minutes earlier Goodell had answered questions for about 45 minutes. But only two of those questions dealt with St. Louis, a city once again on the outside looking in when it comes to the NFL. Perhaps Grubman could fill in some blanks.

Looking back on the failed task force effort to keep the Rams from leaving, Grubman was asked what went wrong in St. Louis.

“I think that St. Louis could have done a few things differently, which may not have been in their control,” Grubman said. “But I think when the county dropped out, the project that they envisioned at the beginning of the task force process really changed. And the county dropped out because as I understand — a public vote.”

Referring to the NFL, Grubman added: “We weren’t afraid of a public vote. And in some respects we think that could’ve validated what the people really thought, could’ve brought the county back in. So the project changed and they spent months trying to bring it back to that original vision, and they couldn’t.”

Last March, St. Louis County Executive Steve Stenger told Gov. Jay Nixon that the county couldn’t provide support for a stadium without a vote. Nixon then let it be known that the project was moving forward without the county.

“The measurement standard in my mind was never any one owner, was never the commissioner, was never Eric Grubman, it was other owners,” Grubman continued.

“And the standard in the early going was less about how are the owners gonna vote. It was whether in their minds, could they see themselves playing in that stadium. And if they could, (St. Louis) had a really great chance. And if they couldn’t, (St, Louis) had a really bad chance.

“And that to me is what happened.”

Grubman also attempted to clear up the confusion of making $300 million in league funding available to owners Mark Davis in Oakland and Dean Spanos in San Diego. But telling task force co-chair Dave Peacock that giving the so-called extra $100 million in stadium funding for the St. Louis project — or $300 million total — was “fundamentally inconsistent” with league policy.

The $300 million, Grubman said, was available only “if offered to the owner to put together a proposal that the owner was in favor of. Not to a city to put in front of the owner. That’s one big difference.”

Kroenke, of course, was never in favor of the St. Louis stadium plan.

“The second is, and I think this is crucial, all of the funding (in St. Louis) ended up being contingent on that use of the extra $100 million. You look at the city (financing) language, it’s predicated on a series of contingencies that include the state funding and the NFL funding and the level of the PSLs.”

Grubman said this was discussed in a call with Peacock and two owners on the LA Opportunities committee — Robert McNair of the Houston Texans and Art Rooney of the Pittsburgh Steelers.

But in the end, the move of the Rams back to Los Angeles may have been a “perfect storm” of events that all worked against St. Louis. The league had a chance to build a showcase stadium in Los Angeles, with the stadium bankrolled by one of the league’s wealthiest owners in Kroenke.

“I’m not sure that anybody, including St. Louis, knew the kind of project that Stan Kroenke was gonna assemble in Los Angeles, and how big and ambitious it was,” Grubman said. “Because that clearly had a big impression on owners. But no one knew that when we began the process.

“To me, these things are always about control — what you can control. St. Louis couldn’t control what Stan Kroenke was gonna do or propose in some other city. They could only control what was being proposed for Stan to consider for the Rams and for the NFL to consider in terms of keeping them there (in St. Louis).

“So I go back to what I said. If they could have stuck with the original vision, taken the risk (of a vote), and kept the county in there, they would have had a more powerful project with fewer contingencies and fewer risks.

“How might it have come out if they did that? I don’t know. That’s a hypothetical.”

Echoing comments made by Goodell during his news conference, Grubman wouldn’t close the door on the NFL returning to St. Louis in the future.

“I think it’s all about what St. Louis wants,” Grubman said. “If St. Louis wants to be an NFL city, they’ve got a hell of a chance of being one. If they don’t, or they’re ambivalent about it, then it’s a lot tougher.”

[Elvis]

BTW, what has me interested is why did Grubman bid on the Inglewood land? What was his angle?

[BuiltRamTough]

I will admit that I LOVE the St. Louis spin on all right now. It's like watching Dallas back in the day or I guess for the youngins the Kardashians, except this is real.

I have zero care for St. Louis since they had zero care for me when MY Rams left LA - every spin on them being hurt makes me happy.

And the more they write, the more delusional they seem. It was always a fact, is a fact, and will always be a fact: the world does not revolve around St. Louis or the midwest. The only people who think so are the people in the midwest who have never travelled more than 20 miles outside their little world.

They are the worst part of our country because of this. They have no concept of anyone's life outside of their little midwest cocoon.

Idc about STL either. They were more then happy to steal the team. They did everything in their power to get their wish. The sweet lease etc.

What goes around comes around.

[den-the-coach]

Again, St. Louis just didn't get it. Even the new stadium they were purposing was not a top tier venue and I don't care if they had 700 million in public money, a shitty venue is still as shitty venue. The CVC blew it and they should have partnered with ESK focused on a venue similar to Lucas Oil Stadium in Indianapolis and the Rams might have just stayed in St. Louis.

It's really not that difficult to figure out, Kroenke knew what the NFL wanted in LA because he was on the LA committee previously just like John Shaw was on the Expansion Committee in the 90's and was privy to information that aided him accordingly. Kroenke provided the NFL "The Perfect Storm" when you factor everything in and St. Louis could not figure out that once the Rams won the arbitration they were gone and the fact the likes of Bernie Miklasz, Jim Thomas, Randy Karraker & other St. Louis Media types could not connect the dots or decided to take an ostrich approach underscores their lack of native intelligence.

[Hacksaw]

BTW, what has me interested is why did Grubman bid on the Inglewood land? What was his angle?

Here you go.

On Stan Kroenke outbidding the NFL on the Inglewood site:

“The league wanted to manage it. What they planned to do was buy the piece of land in Inglewood themselves, led by Eric Grubman…When they failed, that coupled with the Goodell being distracted by the Ray Rice stuff, the floodgates came open. Everyone was out for themselves.”
“You basically had 18 months of terrible interactions with the NFL and teams’ fan bases. The general way this has happened has been unnecessarily sad.”

http://www.101sports.com/2016/02/12/aut ... nded-role/

[RedAlice]

I think it best to stay above the fray. Glass houses and all. The world doesn't revolve around LA either. It's true that St. Louis has no right to think they're better than anyone else but everyone else can't think that either.

I fully understand "St. Louis" being hurt right now and lashing out. I think we all felt that way in '94 so I'm not going to pile on now. Losing the Rams is worse than anything I could say or think about St. Louis.

My little rant here above your post is the extent of it. I will continue to speak my thoughts here. Else and otherwhere: I just read and enjoy.

I'm not saying anything.

Unlike you, I give no care for St. Louis and am enjoying them being wrong and mad. They got what they deserve from the start in 1994.